Upgraded Stampede VXL
 

This will be written in a few posts, as my pc keeps killing internet explorer, and I am sick of re-typing!

Anyways, I have done a few trades recently and ended up with a Pede vxl roller, neuenergy 5000 3s lipo and a Sidewinder esc. Figured that I would try out some of the unused motors in my "collection"! Going to stick with motors around 3500vk for this test.

My baseline is an old pede with an upgraded vxl tranny, revo style slipper, and full rpm treatment. This little guy has been beat up, and always come back for more. My favorite setup was a feigao 12s motor, 3s 4000 lipo and a mm. Gearing was 58/15, 32p. Runtimes ranged from 35-45mins, and it worked well, although the motor did get hot near the end. It never lost performance though! Ran it quite a bit and it was always very powerful, and good for mid 40s top speeds.

I pitted this against a vxl rustler and found that it was better than the stock traxxas brushless sytem, with the stock gearing, on 3s lipo. YOUR RESULTS MAY VARY, and I personally do not care how fast anyones emaxx goes with a vxl in it! Or how great the non-adjustable vxl esc is. Or that the feigao built traxxas motor is not built by feigao.

First setup in the roller is a novak 13.5. It is the ribbed can version with the sintered rotor. Kv is 3300, according to novak's website. That must be unloaded, from my seat-of-the-pants meter.

First off it cogged badly with the stock sidewinder settings. I played around and almost cured it. Ended up with the punch control disabled, timing all the way up, and high start power. I have a feeling that with the 58/13 gearing I ran it was overgeared, as it lacked power and torque. The motor would most likely be better suited with 4s lipo, or in a lighter vehicle on 3s. Performace was not as good as the baseline, however temps and runtime was incredible. After about 20mins it pulled about 1700mah from the neu lipo. The motor was warm, and the sidewinder's temps had not changed.

Top speed was lower than the baseline. My main impression was that the motor did not like the gearing. I did directly solder the motor to the esc and that helped a bit with startup cogging. Just not enough power from the novak for me.

Next up was an Aveox 36/15/1.5. This motor is similar in size to a s can feigao, but most likely compares to a neu 1506 in power output. Kv is 3700 according to the sticker. It has a 5mm shaft, so I had to switch to mod 1 gearing, as I do not have the correct 32p pinions in 5mm bore. Gearing is 46/11, slightly higher than the previos gearing with the novak.

Plenty of power, in fact too much. I did not change the settings in the Sidewinder, and can say that they can be dropped down a bit. It does need some punch control, as any fast throttle causes massive wheelies and back flips. The truck easily gets up to speed, which must be near 45mph.

What suprised me was the startup. This motor is constructed like a neu motor. The little Sidewinder had no issues smoothly starting this motor from standstill, even with my foot in the way. It is actually smoother than some of my feigao/mm combos!

Temps were a bit warmer on the esc, but the power output is more so that was expected. I will tone down the timing and add some punch control and run a full pack thru it to see how the temps do.

I am very happy with this setup. It easily outperforms the baseline. Almost too powerful!

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Great that you are posting your motor results. So is the sidewinder more then you expected it to be?

so im confused, you say that you do not like the vxl? besides the unprogramability of it i think it makes some excellent power, more than the rusty can really handle, and 72mph is more than fast enough for me

So the aveox is a monster then?

Cool testing linc! This is great information.

I am very happy with the sidewinder so far. I see no reason to use any other esc for 10th scale 2wd. I guess you would need something with more current capability if you are trying to do high speed runs, but for general use it works very well. I have a xxx-cr that I want to try a novak 3.5 on 2s lipo, and will use the sidewinder. Maybe it will have better luck in the lighter buggy with lower gearing.

I had a vxl rustler, and it ran hot. I had the stock gearing and a mamamps 3s 4000 lipo in it. The lipo was cool after the run, but the motor was very hot, and the esc was hot too. I was just not very impressed by it, compared to my feigao/mm combo. It did not seem as effecient as the runtime was quite a bit less. Plus the lack of programability was the main factor that I did not keep it. The mm is a superior esc, just would be nice if cc put a better motor with the combo.


Thanks, I try! Pity that aveox has quit selling rc motors. I picked all of my aveox motors up from their ebay sales, I must have 10 motors and they are all very well built. Plus I paid about 60-65 bucks each, so they were great deals. They seem to be comparable with the hacker c50, neu and lehner motors, and work very well in everything that I have tried them in. I have a 1300kv version of the next can length up, and plan to use it in a rustler on 9s. Should be interesting, to say the least

hmm sucks about the velenion for you, i have the 5000 3s, and i run the whole pack which is about 30 mins and its definatly warm to hot, but not to the state of thermaling, thats also running stock gearing which is good for 56mph, bump it down a bit and it goes forever, but i agree about the mm, i have that in my revo and its awesome! i love plugging it into the computer, makes you feel like your doing surgery to it or something

I may have had a bad example. The velineon seems to be a bit power hungry on 3s. I did not get that kind of speed out of my rustler. I will say that the feigao/mm setup had about the same power, but seemed to be more effecient. I would like to pit a vxl pede to the aveox powered one to see how it compares.

at the track when im under 1/2 throttle most the time, i can get like 45 mins, out of my 5000, temps arent to bad either, so who knows maybe yours was a bad seed, im just glad mine isnt like that

Yeah, it really is a disappointment that they stopped selling them. I remember their ESC and motor combo (the "RC7" motor). I had always wanted one of those bad boys when I first got into brushless. People ran emaxxes with that little motor in it!

I found a few places that still sell the motors, but it's hit or miss. Some are either super expensive (like, 260 bucks for the exact motor you used), or are super cheap, but not in stock.:diablo:

Oh, well, I am glad I got mine when I did. The most expensive aveox motor I bought was $125, and that was a 1515 size motor with 1200kv. Still a killer deal. I guess people did not know what the motors were? I think I paid 45-50 bucks for the pede motor, cheaper than a feigao l can, and it was brand new.

Holy crap, 50 bucks! That's hilarious considering it's comparable to motors that are 3 times that amount, if not more.

Certainly is! Those ebay auctions were a good find!

Ran the truck again till the lvc kicked in. I got about 10mins, plus the other 2 runs, so it must be about 30mins total.

Ran well until the lvc kicked in, then it mysteriously stopped. I will examine this latter, maybe with a recharged pack!

All kidding aside it ran well. I will try to run a full pack thru it and see how the temps do.

Yeah, you must have gotten a lemon because I got my vxl to run 65.4 mph on a Maxamps 5000mah 3s with the optional pinion that comes with it (I think it's 28 teeth) and it never got over about 150-160 degrees. The run times were about 40 mins to. It runs so long I only hit the lvc two or three times since I got it.

Maybe your battery had something to do with it because mine came with a 6 cell IB 3600 pack and it got way hot on the esc and motor with that battery. I think it actually thermaled with that battery if I remember correctly and that was actually with the smaller stock pinion.

Hey Jerry, did you happen to buy that rustler from a crazy guy at a body shop in Slidell? That was me, I am that crazy guy! Glad that you have had more luck than I did.

All I can think is that the velineon system is very power hungry, and does not like weak batteries. I was using a maxamps pack, 3s 4000, and we all know how well maxamps packs do with high power stuff (makes farty noise with mouth). It worked fine in my pede with the mm and the 12s feigao. And the performance was better with the mm/feigao combo. All I can think is that I may have found the sweat spot with that setup. I did not test the velineon that much, as I really did not care for it, and figured that it would sell better before I thrashed for testing purposes. I have a vxl pede now, but it has a sidewinder/aveox combo.

Yep, that's the nut. :lol:

I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. I prefer the VXL system for the most part because I still use the stock radios (for now anyway) and I don't get very good range at all from my MM RCs. As far as all the settings on the MM most of the time when I end up playing with them I end up mimicking the VXL. The only way you can really tell which ESC is in the RC is listen for the beep every 20 seconds or see if it goes more than 2 house lengths without going out of range.

To each his own, glad that you are enjoying it!

I couldnt wait to get rid of the VXL system off of my Rustler...much happier with the MM/Feigao

I'm glad you found something that works for you. It just got a little old for me trying to run a car that does over 60 mph in an area that is so small. Like lincpimp said "to each his own."

Very true Jerry. I have a variety of areas to play in, so each vehicle has a different purpose. Low 40mph speeds seem to be the best for my area, which is grassy and has some natural ditches and other natural jumps. Not too many trees, and the grass is low enough that I can run a lower vehicle like a buggy. I also have the city baseball field next door, so that is fun when we have a few vehicles out. Or sometimes I fly on that field, but I do not have a plane at the moment!

its not so much wanting to drive fast, but wanting to upgrade to better components, the first time I took out the Rustler VXL one of the leads becames disconnected from the ESC and as I was troubleshooting to what the problem was, I soon discovered what I was dealing with....Traxxas products are good to get your feet wet with, that is there target audience.

Do you ever fly helicopters? I just recently got a t-rex but I have never really flown it. I hovered a couple of time in front of my house but was scared I was going to either loose it or hit my neighbors car.

Yeah. that's exactly what I'm talking about. To you the MM is better to me the VXL is better (I think the more simple something is the better). I read about a few people problems with the leads on the VXL, but luckily none of mine have had a problem at all.

I can fly a heli, most of my time is on a blade cx2. Do you have a flight sim? I learned on a sim and it really helps. Also the cx2 is a great heli to learn on. For 200 bucks it is a steal, and I would recommend it to the new piolt! I have flown a trex 450 for a short time. I had a buddy who had a few helis and he like the align 600 nitro the best.

I've had the same problem. I don't think it is a fault with the ESC, but more of a fault of where they put it, as the wires stick up further than the shock tower, meaning that if you land a jump upside down they break, which mine did. I managed to fix it by soldering the connector back on the PCB, but i'm on the hunt for a cheap MM ESC.

the position of the wires always made me drive with a body on, i was scared to hurt em

I agree with you that the location of the ESC is bad, I have since located my MM and BEC on the lower chassis opposite of the RX using velco to secure

I tried that with the VXL ESC, but the lead is too short to feed it over to the receiver, so i've mounted in the original position, but sideways (so the bottom of the ESC rests against the shock tower) so it isn't in the firing line now.

My girlfriend's dad has a Realflight sim that he lets me borrow a lot but I don't have it at the moment. My girlfriend bought me a cx2 for my birthday, that is what got me into helis, but it doesn't fly like a trex at all. It takes a lot more skill just to hover the trex. The cx2 just kinda floats around with very little stick movement, but the trex needs constant adjustments. The 600s are sweet but sooo expensive, definitely not good to learn on.