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coolhandcountry 09.10.2005 06:19 PM

new big motor
 
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Has any one seen this one yet. It is big. It is a lehner 3060 and 3080. I have some specs on it.
Turns 3060 3080
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4 1962 1471
5 1570 1177
6 1308 981
7 1121 841
8 981 736
9 872 654
10 785 589
11 713 535
12 654 490
13 604 453
14 561 420 technical features

3060 3080

weight 1.400 gr. 1.800 gr

shaft 8 mm 8 mm

watt 7000 10000

volt : 6 - 60 Volt 6 - 60 Volt


116MPH Cat with twin 3080 motors!!!!



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nbcaznmaster 09.10.2005 06:52 PM

dang, y so many wires? Is that urs? How does it perforM?

coolhandcountry 09.10.2005 06:59 PM

The site said it is not out yet. I wish it was mine. I drooled all over my keyboard when i saw it.

nbcaznmaster 09.10.2005 07:04 PM

u stole dafni's orginal icon! theif! lol:L:

coolhandcountry 09.10.2005 07:13 PM

I'm only borrowing not stealing. :)

nbcaznmaster 09.10.2005 07:25 PM

BAN HIM DAFNI!! BAN HIM!!!! lol!

MetalMan 09.10.2005 07:37 PM

HOLY COW! Talk about HUGE motors... The 3060 puts out almost 7HP, and the 3080 puts out about 9HP! I think that one of those motors could and would shred ANY drivetrain they would be put to use on. I wonder what kind of a controller one would need to run one of these! And imagine the batteries you would need! Either REALLY high voltage or REALLY high amps would be required.

nbcaznmaster 09.10.2005 07:53 PM

dang, i never heard of a 7hp nitro mtoor! have u? lol, theres no limit for brushles, but theres a limit for nitro! I bet u have to use multiple controllers for it to work. Maybe 2 or 3 of them.

coolhandcountry 09.10.2005 07:59 PM

I like the sound of it. 7 and 9 hp. It will take 60 volts. How many nimh cells is that. 50 cells. I don't know of a controller to handle that many. I like to know more. I don't know where to get it. I found out as much as i could.

dabid 09.10.2005 08:02 PM

Would you need two controllers for it or something? That's the only way I could understand the 6 wires.......but what controller could even think of handling that sucker?!?!

captain harlock 09.10.2005 08:02 PM

This is truely rediculous and I thought the 2280 was the biggest thing I've seen in RC world.

coolhandcountry 09.10.2005 08:08 PM

Hey captain. It pushed a boat to 116 mph. I think they said they had two of them. That is flying. Have to add this one to your dream truck. :) It is on mine.

MetalMan 09.10.2005 08:09 PM

David, the dual wires is like how the newer Warrior 9920s are. Dual wires allows a bigger amp draw than a single wire. But by the power those things have, you would need two controllers to drive one motor! Let's figure something out here. Say we use the 3060 8t. That's 981kv. To reach 40,000RPMs, you need about 41volts, or about 35 NiMh cells (9-10 Lipo). At 41 volts and 7,000watts output (and 85% efficiency), the motor will pull 200amps!!!

coolhandcountry 09.10.2005 08:12 PM

If you think about it. They made the motor. Seems they should make a controller to run it.

captain harlock 09.10.2005 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by coolhandcountry
Hey captain. It pushed a boat to 116 mph. I think they said they had two of them. That is flying. Have to add this one to your dream truck. :) It is on mine.
:D No, even my dream truck will not tolerate the power of this thing and besides, I need to use more than 10 lipos to push this motor to its zenith. I think its a baaaaaad idea for 1/10-1/8 monster trucks to be pulled around by this goliath.

captain harlock 09.10.2005 08:19 PM

Start saving money, everyone.

camel_rc 09.10.2005 08:27 PM

I've got a B4 I would be willing to put that in if we all pitch in and make a RC-Monster sponsored world speed record attempt. :D

captain harlock 09.10.2005 08:31 PM

This thing has atleast a diametre of 55 or 60mm. It is impossible to bolt it in the B4 unless you can use your own skills. Dont forget that you need to fill all the chassis with batteries before you can get it to work right.

coolhandcountry 09.10.2005 08:37 PM

I was looking to find some deminsions on it. No luck. I know it is going to be expensive to. 40 cells would make it work. Not sure what truck would take it though. Have to put it on a barbie jeep for the kids to ride. :)

captain harlock 09.10.2005 08:39 PM

That would be nice, but you need to keep a phone number of a hospital ambulance in case Barbie make an accident

coolhandcountry 09.10.2005 08:44 PM

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Barbie jeep at 60 mph. Need crash helmets for kids.
You can wire the motor different ways. not sure what this does.

captain harlock 09.10.2005 08:54 PM

The Lehner motors have two confiurations, two motors in one, if you like. You can use the triangle configuration to get more torque and the usual ones to run faster at lower cell counts. Perhaps this one uses the same system.

coolhandcountry 09.10.2005 09:11 PM

Probably. I heard of it just didn't know how you did it. You shed some light on it for me. Thanks. So the motor is versatile. Sweet. I wonder where you would get pinions. It has a 8mm shaft.

camel_rc 09.10.2005 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by captain harlock
This thing has atleast a diametre of 55 or 60mm. It is impossible to bolt it in the B4 unless you can use your own skills. Dont forget that you need to fill all the chassis with batteries before you can get it to work right.
Where there's a large amount of money, there's a way. :L:

MetalMan 09.10.2005 09:39 PM

It would be a better motor for 1/3 scale cars! Well, maybe 1/5 scale.

El Jarretto 09.10.2005 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by camel_rc
Where there's a large amount of money, there's a way. :L:
True dat! I would love to use some of those in a 1/4 scale...only if I has an extra $10,000 laying around... :Love:

nbcaznmaster 09.10.2005 10:44 PM

HA! A brushless trinity spyder or fg. AHAHA dude! some1 gotta do it! it'll be the first of its kind!

captain harlock 09.11.2005 01:20 AM

I would use it in a 1/5th-1/4th scale cars just like metalman, but not on E-Maxxes and Savages. Its too heavy for the truck's motor mount as well as too big to fit in the chassis.

MetalMan 09.11.2005 01:31 AM

I'll bet it uses 4-5mm mounting screws. Those wires in the back that switch the winding configuration-they switch between wye and delta. The wye should have more torque and be more efficient.

EDIT:
You can get 8mm pinion gears at http://www.sdp-si.com
I picked out a nice mod0.5, 8mm bore, 20t gear:
https://sdp-si.com/eStore/PartDetail...32&GroupID=591

crazyjr 09.11.2005 01:35 AM

I need a golf cart and 6 12v drycell batteries for that motor. hey metalman that pitch is too fine. most 1/8 and mt's use 1.0 metric and a jato uses a 0.8 metric pitch. I may be wrong but i always thought that's what mod 1 was, if not , i apologize

captain harlock 09.11.2005 01:38 AM

Yep, this isn't something for ordinary hobbyests like us.

El Jarretto 09.11.2005 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MetalMan
I'll bet it uses 4-5mm mounting screws. Those wires in the back that switch the winding configuration-they switch between wye and delta. The wye should have more torque and be more efficient.

EDIT:
You can get 8mm pinion gears at http://www.sdp-si.com
I picked out a nice mod0.5, 8mm bore, 20t gear:
https://sdp-si.com/eStore/PartDetail...32&GroupID=591

That's awesome. You're too smart. You embarass me. :o :L:

Serum 09.11.2005 03:48 AM

@metalman, how did you get to that HP?

1 HP= 735.499 watt, which means;

1.36XmotorpowerXefficiency= HP

At those high voltages i am sure it is about 90+ percent

so 7KWX.9X1.36=8,5 hp

and the other one is 12.24 hp...

one other note;

you calculate with that .85 efficiency in two directions, to calculate the maxx A of the controller, but that motor takes 7000 watts, the efficiency is about input/output. it normally is about input vs output ;) (never saw it different) so you don't need that 85% efficiency with calculating the amp draw from the esc. if that speedo has got an effiency of 85% it means that at 7000watts it heats up with on the remaining 1050watts.. That is one serious melt down for sure... those BL controllers have got allmost no loss..

Here is what i find out last night; the gigantic E-PODS that power the largest ships in the world.... are.... BRUSHLESS!

But with this new motor, comes a schulze/plettenberg CRUSHING power and an overwelming controller of about a 60200 or so..

@coolhand.. Would you please change your avatar.. I am so confused every time i see it.. ;)

With the power of this BL motors, you sure are able to power your go-cart.. BMW allready did some experiment with electric motors in their cars.. It was mounted directly on the driveshaft, with a kicking 1000 N/m @ 1000 rpm..

captain harlock 09.11.2005 11:00 AM

Well, probably I can mount it in a real bike and use 14 lipos and awaaaaaay we go.

MetalMan 09.15.2005 05:24 PM

Serum, you are right. I wasn't thinking straight (darn school!). For some reason I was thinking that 1hp was almost 1000watts, even though I knew that it was 735watts.

Serum 09.15.2005 05:36 PM

It's the school allright!

My nephews have got a 38 hours a week school, and they have got TONS of homework to do.. Respect to them!


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