What is the BEST money can buy??
 

Good morning gentlemen,
I'm doing some research for my next project and I was hoping to have you input!.. Please note that I'm and electrical kind of guy, hate the smell and cleanup of Nitro!. So what ever I get it will be converted to E, I’ll use / already have a Nue 1515 1.5y and the MMM esc, with either 4s or preferably 6s. I would like to keep the total cost under $2,000 if possible?? I want to buy the best I can. But I'm still not sure the buggy is right for me?? Hence this thread..

Question #1:
What is the biggest advantage a buggy has over a E-Revo?
What is the biggest disadvantage it has over a E-Revo?

Question #2:
How do they hold up in regards to general bashing? Or are they a strictly track truck?

Question #3:
Which truck / buggy would you buy if you where going to start this project? Here is what I'm currently considering:
• Kyosho Lazer ZX-5 or Infemo ST-RR http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/cars/in...part_num=30077
• Exray 808 http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/m_i...9bdc109f5296c3
• Hotbodies D4 http://www.hotbodiesonline.com/kit.p...=61410&lang=en
• Associated RC8 or B44 http://www.teamassociated.com/ae/rc8/rc8_home.htm
• LRP shark 18 http://www.lrp-electronic.de/e/lis
• Ofna 8.5 pro http://www.ofna.com/hyper85pro.php
• JConcepts BJ4 http://www.jconcepts.net/store/index...1d912c9cfa0a4c

Question #4:
What am I missing?? what would you recommend??

Again I don’t really know anything about this kind of trucks, so I'm reaching out the experts for assistance.. Any and all advice is deeply appreciated.

Thanks so much for your time gentlemen..

Have a great one

Shaun.

P.S.
If you have one of these bad boys that your thinking of selling, I'm defiantly interested, please feel free to PM me..

Q1)
- Can Race
- Cant go everywhere
Q2)
Buggy or E-REVO? E-REVO isn't out yet so no one knows and buggies are nearly indestrcutable
Q3)
Some are electric 1/10 scale and some are 1/8 scale nitro. 808 would be the best one there.
Q4)
1 thing is that the 1/8 Worlds are in September and there is going to be a new Kyosho - Mugen - HB and other buggies coming soon

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QUOTE: Good morning gentlemen,
I'm doing some research for my next project and I was hoping to have you input!.. Please note that I'm and electrical kind of guy, hate the smell and cleanup of Nitro!. So what ever I get it will be converted to E, I’ll use / already have a Nue 1515 1.5y and the MMM esc, with either 4s or preferably 6s. I would like to keep the total cost under $2,0000 if possible?? I want to buy the best I can. But I'm still not sure the buggy is right for me?? Hence this thread..

$20000??? WOW that will be some project. Just kidding, I know it was a fat finger typo. How about the Baja 5B. It is a killer buggy and it would be quite fun to convert it. Or if you really want to have some fun do the Go-Kart conversion. Plus you get to drive it for real.

$20 000, i thought it said $2000. Lucky you

Did you think about a Truggy? Since you are comparing a E-REVO with a Buggy

Thanks for the response Drift_buggy..
I do like the 808.. and there is an existing thread about the conversion already :party: (HHHmmmm)??

Have a great one!.. and thanks for the input..

Sorry about that, I blame the Screwdriver's I'm drinking (Bad booze!) :lol:

The Baja 5b, Nope I just don’t like the Baja look (just not my thing).. I'm looking for something that come close or will surpass my GorillaMaxx builds. I was kind of thinking that this (Buggy) thing may be it??

Thanks for the input Jerry.. Have a great relaxing time with the wife and kids gone..

Shaun.

Hay Drift_BUGGY..
Isn’t a Truggy the same thing as a Buggy but with a different body?? Sorry for the lame question.. But I really don’t know the difference between the two??..

Thank you so much for your time and have a great day

Shaun.

truggies are a mix of buggy and MT. kinda like a more race bred revo? wider and lower but a chassis similar to a buggy? is that about right?

tough call; you are talking about some nice products here.

It's said before, but a buggy is way tougher than an MT.(1/8th) it uses about the same driveline, only with smaller wheels and shorter arms. Buggies are NICE.

I would either go for the
-Xray 808
-ofna hyper 8.5 pro (comes with nice diffs!), as what UE sells as 8 spider diffs
-rc8 (light)
-mugen mbx5r (aged. bus still going very strong)
-losi 8ight

How about the new hyper 9...

From what i ve seen at local Track,

Xray is best all round, extreme performance, does not wear out easily, Impact resistant.
Then come Hobao/Hyper 7 and 8, more classical design, but incredibly strong and parts are available everywhere for low price.
Mugen and kyosho does have there own driving style (they why there is still many kyosho user despite there somewhat old design). kyosho seem to break easier than other brands...

Any of the top caliber cars will do you nicely. You won't be able to use all the tuning capabilities until you're a national caliber racer. For me, it comes down to what my LHS carries for parts support. You're kind of lucky down there since you have Nitrohouse (owned by OFNA), Gyro Hobbies, Ultimate Hobbies, et al. Most parts will be available, but I still don't remember much Xray stuff around.

From Wiki
A truggy is a combination of a 1/8 scale racing buggy and a stadium truck. Truggies are generally four-wheel-drive with a center differential, no transmission, a monster truck or stadium truck body and perhaps monster truck tires. The idea is not a new one since stadium trucks originally sprung from buggies. A truggy, on the other hand, takes advantage of the state-of-the-art nature of purpose-built stadium trucks. The result is the semi-scale appearance and stability of a stadium truck with the agility of a buggy. Most simple truggies are made from buggies by merely changing the wheels, tires and body mounts, but there are also truggy kits and RTRs of various levels of cost and competency.

http://www.tony1034.com/8T.jpg

Look into a Mr. C Carbon Fiber conversion. I have yet to see a better conversion.

You GUYS ROCK!!!
 

OOoooo cool, thanks for the input. I’ve got enough trucks now and I was looking for something different Maybe this buggy thing is it!?.

Thanks Tc-3 for your time..

have a great one..


Thanks for replaying Serum, I was hoping to hear from you on this subject.
It's starting to sound like a buggy is the way to go.. and the Xray appears to the favorite so far.. Thanks again for the clarification on the differences between the two types..

Have a great one and thanks again for your time.



Hay Arct1K..
I haven’t heard of hyper 9??? hmmm I’ll do a goggle search.. Thanks for the suggestions Sir..

Have a great one and thanks again for your time..



Good evening Mister-T (like the name sounds cool)
The Xray is coming in at the top of the list, I like the fact it has your guys respect (which isn’t an easy thing to do) Thanks for sooo much for the other comments on your thoughts regarding the other trucks, it a huge HELP!!

Thanks so much for your time and your input..

Have a great one!.. and thanks again..



Great comments pd4ugo, No I’m not even close to a caliber racer, just a basher at the moment looking to improve my skills and have some fun when the new local track opens up in few weeks. Durability, longevity, handling and reliability is pretty much the key at this point.. I'm extremely fortunate to have tons of shops around me / within driving distances, plus the internet is fedx is only a week away :yipi:.

Thanks again for your comments and your advise..

Have a great one..




Excellent information Drift_BUGGY!! as always.. (you the man!)..
Thanks so much for the total clarification between the two.. I'm defiantly going Buggy!! Hoooray one item closed.. Now I just need to pick which one?? so many choices..

Thanks again for your time Sir and have a great day / week..



Thanks lutach... I will do that, I do like the FC conversions and there is great article in the Extreme RC-Cars May issue on how to make them stronger with CA glue.. do you have a link for Mr. C??

Thanks again for your time and your comment..

Have a great evening..







To all my fellow Buggyens out there who happen to take the time out of your busy lives to help me (THANK YOU!).. thank you for your time and sharing your knowledge with the less fortunate (ME).. I love this hobby mainly because I’m always learning new things and reading about your experiences is a tremendous help.. Please never stop sharing what you gentlemen have..

YOU GUYS ROCK!!! :yipi:

Thanks again for everything and have a great week..

Shaun.

All the info you need can be found here: http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=196185. If Mr. C's kit is expensive, then all you need to do is visit rc-monster's store and grab Mike's awesome conversions. I just went with your title and the best money can buy right now is a Mr. C kit.

Yes I stick by my title, I'm not really concerned about the costs, I simply looking for the best I buy..

The link it helpful, but I cant see the pictures without signing on as a member??. (what up with that??).. bummber…

Thanks so much for the information lutach..

Have a great one..

I'll post some pictures of mine and here is a link with a couple more pictures: http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11887.

Edit: Sorry about the buggy tires. I used them for bashing most of the time.

With all respect to the constructor, his kits are not all that IMO. Removing a centerdiff from a buggy? It saves weight, but is it the way of doing it?

I am not a big fan of his conversions. overpriced IMO, 280-300 euro for a few sheets of carbon and some aluminum..

Sorry, but there are better conversions possible!

Bomb-Proof Products makes a awesome kit as well, but it's only for a truggy. You might be right, but I don't see anybody else making anything close to his kits yet. I have designed my own chassis and only time will tell if they will be made or not. But for the moment, I only see Mr. C still making his conversions and if you know where to get something better at a cheaper price, please let me know. I would love to own one.

Well for good or bad I ordered the X-Ray 808 today!.. I just need Mike to stock the motor mount and I think I'm good to go.. I should have it buy Friday?? Just in time for the 3 day weekend…

Thanks everyone for there time and responses.. You gentlemen ROCK..

Have a great one..

Shaunl

I have to agree!

Great, be sure to post up the build process :wink:

Hay Dafni.. it was actually your assume build that trully conversed me to go with the 808 .. (Thank you).. I'll be emailing you with requested build information shortly. (SORRY)..

Have a great one..

Shaun.

OOoooo yahh... I'll be bugging you gentlemen on the finer pintos of my new build.. GorillaMaxx I've got that nailed, this Is I’ll be seeking help!!.. So sorry ahead of time..

Shaun..

P.S.
I'm totally stocked.. (Thank you all) for you input and advise..

P.S.s.
I will be posting questions soon.. (be ware of it!).. and again I apologize a head of time..

I don't know Dafni. If there is a better conversion out there, that I'm not aware of, please let me know. I'm not talking only a motor mount and a battery box. I'm talking about the type you only need to add the front and rear drive train and suspension assembly, like the Bomb-Proof and Mr. C kit.

Well, as for complete chassis conversions, I guess you are right. Sorry, should have been clearer.

But, who wants a CF chassis on a 1/8 buggy anyway? The stock alu chassis' have always been good enough for me.
And, why would you want to get rid of the center diff? (may loose some weight, true, but you'll loose performance along with it)

If all is said and done, to each his own. Just my opinion. I build our buggies and truggies here with Mikes parts, and the people seem to be happy with it. Yes, no slipper (yet) but I sold many cheap Feigaos over the last couple months, and no thrown magnets that I have heard of yet.

The direct-drive monster conversions look pretty factory too. So not even "looks" would be a factor, IMO.

Cheers
Daf

I did mention Mike's conversion in one of my post in this thread, but he did say "Best money can buy". Yes the aluminum chassis does work fine, but my truggy weighs much less then my buggy. I personally don't like the unloading I get from using the center diff. With the power from brushless, it was even hard to get rid of the unloading with thicker diff fluids. Plus the center diff just adds more parts to be replaced. With the solid center, you will have less parts to worry about and you will get the same power to all 4 wheels. Most if not all my vehicles now have the solid center and the Mr. C has the slipper clutch. I got used to driving 1/10 without a slipper clutch.

Like I said, to each his own. So my "best" may not be your "best".

Personally, I like the center diff. On the track, I don't even like it when the center diff is too stiff... talk about on-power steering out of the turns :yes:


peace


DAF

I have a mr c chassis, and was not all that impressed with the quality. The cf looks nice, but the cutting and drilling was not really up to par. I have yet to build it, but I did roughly assemble it. It does look light, and may be good for a light duty basher. I will put it together soon and see how it does. I would personally stick with the al chassis, center diff, and a rcm mount. I make my own battery trays, and mostly everything else, that is the fun part.

Thank you linc.

It's just that my head is full of conversions and plans, and i know Dafs brains didn't stopped with his awesome revo either. From the not so broadly available conversion kits, i don't like the bomb-proof too much, and i don't like the mr c's either.

I've got an opinion about his available conversions, and my opinion is that i think he thinks his conversions are all that, and that he is the king of conversion kits. I have got my reasons to say this.

I am not saying that i made a better conversion than he did, it's just that his shapes don't push my buttons, and neither does the price/effort. If this is the best he can do, so be it, and it's good that he is in making conversions to get the mainstream more involved. But if i consider the price, i don't think he is in it for the mainstream..

Understood. I'm too working on some kits and I sent a couple of design for Mike to look at. I had the design in my head for a few years now and finally found an easy to use program that allowed me to put in in 3D. I'm not saying if my kits do come out they'll be all that, but it will certainly be one more to choose from. I will mainly use the 2 I sent Mike to do speed runs with one and the other to promote the use of HV set ups in racing application. Yes, the price is up there for the 2 kits I mentioned, but to be honest those are the 2 actually one now that you can buy that is almost a roller. My Mr. C MBX5 kit is superb. All the carbon fiber is cut very well and this thing is tough. I have lost signal twice and went 1 on 1 with a curb and the truck survived.

Too bad it doesn't use a centerdiff?

I need to build the mr c kit and see how well it goes together.

I have 2 of the bomb proof chassis for the emaxx, torpedo and racebomb, and they are very well made, both materials and concept.

I will agree that the mr c kits are way too expensive for what you get. I understand that he only makes so many, and they are not mass produced.

I can see if a center diff will fit. I never tried to put one in.