Anyone ran 6S in the New E Revo yet?
 

Has anyone ran 6S in the New E Revo yet?

I'm wondering how everything is going to hold up, and also if there is any steel cvd's that will fit the center drives yet?

If you have ran 6S, please describe your setup. (Motor, Batts, ESC, additional mods, etc.)

Thanks

I'd be more interested to know how they got 6S pack/s onto the E-Revo without making it look like Frankensteins Monster as well. :-)

you can fit some 3s 5000's by maxamps

Not yet but hopefully in the next couple of days. I would of had it done already but the first set I ordered were to tight of a fit for me.

Flightpower 5000 3s also fit

in my converted 3.3 Revo I am running a Neu 2.5d on 6s and I still have the stock tranny to diff lines and drivelines and everything is hoding up fine, if you stay away from the sudden WOT from a standstill you will be fine

6s would be cool, heck, im still trying to figure out gearing......but i guess it's kinda hard to do..since i don't have it, but from the info i have gathered,...running the following
7xl
quark 125b
2s2p (4s) 8000 maxamps packs
badland tires
the gearing should be fine at 22/68
i checked this on brian's calc. as well....., but on another note...can't wait for results on the 6s

Well I just ran my E Revo on 6S. Wow, what a different truck.

I've been used to running the E maxx. This is definately a horse of a different color.

I installed a Century 600 Outrunner that I custom wound to a 4 turn wye wind. This motor was originally 715kv, but now I can only guess what the kv is. It spins a 25 tooth Mod 1 pinion and meshes with a 38 tooth Nitro Revo spur that is a perfect mount to the slipper.

Firepower 6S 5000mah 20C is feeding the spark to a Quark Monster Pro 125 amp ESC. Mods include a HV Novak Cap along with a CC BEC.

The setup has loads of power. Alot of instant acceleration and tops out in the 45mph range. Wheelies at speed are pretty easy on a surface the Talons will grip. This Motor runs hotter than I prefer, so I might come up with another power plant or change the setup somehow.

The Talons by the way, turn into saucers on loose gravel, just by grabbing Throttle.

One of the Front Tires had a come apart. It appears the glue let go. Now I've got the stuffing hanging out one side. LOL

What a loose suspension! I can tell there's alot of tuning to be done. Getting stopped from 45mph is a wobbly back and forth challenge. The suspension is way too loose. Stiffer springs may fix most of this.

I think one of the single biggest improvements this setup will see, is the Monster Mamba. One should be coming my way soon. :yes:

I have been running my e-revo for a couple weeks now,still brushed though,and it is great,I went up a step in spring rate front and rear,added the sway bars.Totally different truck,I ran in the truggy class this week and lapped everbody in the 10 min main.I can't wait for the brushless,I am waiting for the mmm like everyone else.
I will be running the axi outrunner you have in your emaxx,the 8 turn.I have the cc bec,the novak cap,and the fan.
I will run this setup on 2 2s 5000mah 20c packs,what kind of runtime would you expect from this setup racing on a track?Wondering if I need higher mah to run the longer mains?

I run the same Packs and get 25 to 30 minutes of hard runtime.

You should be fine. :yes:

sik, not sure why you would be worried about the stock shafts, I've never seen a broken revo shaft, I think those plastic splined shafts are the best. I think that tiny bit of torsional flex also takes a lot of load of the diffs too, which can only be a good thing when its that pesky little 4 gear job :P

Just got in my batteries yesterday and ran 6s on a 1515 3d last night. :) Will play with the punch control and try running it again today.

Yep 2s3p FP3700's / MMM / Tekneu 2.5df 22/65 on badlands. I have my slipper on the loose side so i don't have much stress on the drive train. It's the same studly revo-spec drive train thats been in the revo3.3, 2.5 Snapped a front a-arm already tho. Went looking for rpm front arms and came home with the true-track rpm rear arms and another stock front arm(LHS didn't have both lefty and righty rpm front arms:tongue:)

OK, I swapped the motor out for a Nemesis 14xl (1191kv). Installed some really tall gearing. All Mod 1, motor pinion is 24 tooth, spur is 38 tooth. I'm sure this is over geared but I thought what the heck.

I swapped the Talons out for some E maxx Tires/wheels and gave it a run on 4S. Power is decent.

I then gave it a run on 5S 5000mah 20C Lipos.

It's pretty dang fast on this setup. 4 Wheel burnouts, and saucers are easy. Rolling wheelies at speed. Has alot of power. I'm really impressed with it. But the motor was starting to heat up after about 10 minutes.

How hot do these motors normally run? What is the ideal gearing with this setup? The power level looks promising. I can only imagine this on 6S. :yes:

OK...I've been trying to come up with a good setup for my new E-Revo also. I'm currently using the following:

Quark 125, Medusa MR-036-060-1600V2-5 1600RPM/V, 15 tooth pinion, stock spur gear, I've tried 4s, 5s, and 6s. I'm still worried about heat, but performance is great at 5s and 6s. But I'm also having cogging issues that I'm having trouble fixing. Motor locks up some times while I'm coasting or braking. I'm still playing with speed controller settings to try to fix.

As motors go, are we better off with a fast motor like a Feigao 6XL in an E-Revo, or are we better off going with a higher wind to get more torque like a 10XL?? I can't afford a Neu.

Also, anybody tried a Novak brushless setup in one of the new E-Revos??

Hi Soldier,

I've been thinking about giving the Medusa Motors a shot myself. I want the 036-060-2000V2.

Set your ESC to Race Mode, Dynamic Torque, Inrunner Mode (seems to work better even with multipole motors), Normal Braking

In my opinion, you are undergeared.

In Mod 1 gearing with that motor I would go 14/40.

If you're going with the 32 pitch gearing, you probably need a smaller spur and a larger pinion.

You might also try a heat sink with a fan if you're worried about temps.

I've heard those motors are pretty mean. :yes:

The faster kv motors like the 6xl tend to be less effecient and heat up more than a lower kv motor does.

Longer runtimes and lower operating temps come from higher voltage setups with motors such as the 10xl.

Gearing means alot too. :yes:

Check your radio setting, and make sure that you zero out the throttle channel adjustments before you program it. I run a 1500kv 60mm v2 in my hyper8 on 6s thru a 125b and it works fine. I do need to turn down the brake force though...

They are supposed to come out with a 70mm can model. That should compete directly with the cc neu motors, price-wise. I will most likely try out both when they come out. I want a low kv long rotor motor to replace the 14xl in my savage. I have a mega 22/45 motor that I need t try.

Too many toys...

Thanks for the advice guys! I can't wait to try the new settings in my ESC! :yipi:

A little video of my E-Revo 6s
 

looks good. I am running a 1515 3d and have mine geared 17/40 right now with 0 degree's timing and 60 or 70 percent punch control. Trying to tame it down as much as I could.

a lower kv and higher voltage system will be more efficient, run cooler but will be more expensive than a higher kv and lower voltage sysytem...it will depends on your budget

Quark on Fire!!
 

OK,
I tried the suggested changes to my speed controller settings on the Quark Monster 125, but they didn't seem to help the cogging. The only setting that seemed to help was setting the Neutral range to "wide". But still there was too much cogging when transitioning from coasting to throttle...in fact the wheels would lock up momentarily when transitioning from coasting to forward throttle.

I switched out the Medusa and put in my old Feigao 9L. It was much smoother...BUT:
I ran it at 6s for about 60 seconds in a parking lot. While braking from a full-throttle run, the Quark Monster 125 caught on fire!!:surprised:

I quickly removed the body and stamped out the fire trying to save my expensive batteries. I think the batteries are OK, but the ESC was a complete meltdown! I only had it for a week. I was thinking something was wrong with it ever since I got it because it never worked as well as my other two Quark ESCs.

Dicky T had a similar thing happen to a Quark 125 but it wasnt during breaking, he listed some pics of the inside of the esc and it looked like some burnt up charcoal briquets

:lol: More like charcoal chicklets if you remember the chewing gum squares...I don't think they sell those anymore so you young'uns might not know what I'm talking about :smile:

I was on the Traxxas forum and some of the folks there are using the Traxxas Velineon brushless system in the E-Revo, but they are using them in pairs! Compared to the Neu, Feigao, and other motors we use on this site along with their high-powered speed controllers, the Velineons are cheap and easy to find. Here is a list of other advantages of this approach:

-Cheap Motors
-Cheap Speed Controllers
-Easy to find at hobby shops
-Great Traxxas support and warranty
-heat is spread over two motors so temps may be lower
-heat is spread over two speed controllers so temps may be lower
-Two ESCs means two heat sinks
-It can be run on 2s or 3s
-Higher kv motor (3500 rpm/v) means less voltage needed (lower temps)
-Velineon is super easy for both installation and programming...no soldering required...everything is in the Velineon combo box!!

Frankly, I can't see the down side. A pair of Velineons (two motors and two speed controllers is about $340. That is much less than a Neu and Quark 125. Mamba Monsters might change that equation since they are not too expensive, but who can find one?

OK, I just installed a pair of Traxxas Velineon brushless systems in the E-Revo that I recently saved from the fire. So far I'm VERY impressed. I have only run it at 2s so far (one 2s battery per ESC) and the speed and acceleration seem great for tight tracks. I did notice that I can't pop wheelys anymore :oh: I think going to a pair of 3s or reducing the size of the pinion gear would give it the torque to flip itself over from a dead stop. Right now I'm running 20 tooth pionion and stock 68 tooth spur. I'll test a pair of 3s (also saved from the fire) :diablo: tomorrow.

"OK, I just installed a pair of Traxxas Velineon brushless systems in the E-Revo that I recently saved from the fire. So far I'm VERY impressed. I have only run it at 2s so far (one 2s battery per ESC) and the speed and acceleration seem great for tight tracks. I did notice that I can't pop wheelys anymore I think going to a pair of 3s or reducing the size of the pinion gear would give it the torque to flip itself over from a dead stop. Right now I'm running 20 tooth pionion and stock 68 tooth spur. I'll test a pair of 3s (also saved from the fire) tomorrow."

From everything I've read, the Twin Velineon setup is impressive. But as with most things, there are pros and cons.

You listed just about every pro known to man. LOL

I don't mean to be negative, but there are a few disadvantages to it also.

1. Extra Weight.

2. More Amp Draw - Lower Voltage setups are going to draw more amps to produce the same amount of wattage output at the motor(s). Which brings us to #3.

3. More heat at the motor(s). I've read where people who run this setup, say it runs hotter than what they think it should.

4. 1/8" motor shafts. Easier to acquire pinion gears, but the shafts are alot weaker than 5mm ones. I've seen more than one broken.

Give it a shot on the 20/68 gearing, but you are probably overgeared. Keep a close eye on temps to make sure you don't fry those motors. I would run it for a minute, bring it in and check. Then run it for another minute or two, bring it in and check.

Let us know hot it works out. :yes:

Update:
I just tried a pair of 3s Lipo batteries in my twin-Velineon E-Revo. I am VERY impressed with the speed! Its about as much as I can handle. I have 8th scale Crime Fighter tires and the balloon into saucers at full speed and spin on asphalt!! The highest temp I saw after a short bashing session with a couple wide-open-throttle runs was 142 on the motor and 137 on the two speed controllers. The Traxxas instructions say the motors should be kept under 200.:diablo:

I appreciate the Cons...those are some things I had not thought of. I'll continue testing, but I need to go somewhere with a little more room because it is so fast I cant keep it at full speed for more than a second near the house.

try going to a local school and run it on a soccer/football field with short grass...it will put a smile on your face.........:yipi:

Actually 20/68 is probably a little undergeared, my dual velineon Revo likes 19/62 a lot; temps stay below 155 in 80 degree weather. It runs hotter at 19/68. Easily 42-45mph at 19/62.

Aaah, Nice! :yes:

Here ya go Soldier. Topspeedtimmy is the voice of experience with this setup.

Twin Velineon Brushless
 

I can't wait to try 19/52 gearing, but I suspect 19/52 and 20/68 are close to the same thing??? One tooth on the pinion is the same as ??? teeth on the spur?

...I running to the hobby store right now to see if they have a smaller spur gear. :intello:

Question for TopSpeedTimmy... or anyone else...

How do you have the twin ESCs wired? I have mine completely separate:

Battery1-->ESC1---Motor1

Battery2--->ESC2---Motor2

ESC1 and 2 are connected to a "Y" cable. I cut the red wire from ESC2 so the Receiver would not have two power inputs. After thinking it through...I don't think it was necessary to cut the red wire on ESC2.

Thanks,

TST,
I noticed you have a Revo 3.3 with Feigao 9XL and a Mamba Max running at 4s. Are you saying you can run that without overheating? Or do you actually have a Mamba Max Monster?

OldSoldier - I;ve run that setup for a year - it works fine...

Have you tried 5s? Does it Fly or Fry.:smile:

I only use a MM- I havn't tried 5s / 9L in my revo (mainly due to not having batteries that match that config on a G3R chassis) but have 5s / 1515 2.5D in my hyper ST truggy and it runs fine.

I now run 5s2p on the Revo but am a building 6s2p config but will swap i think to a quark 125 and put the MM in my buggy which only runs 4s...