MA opinions
 

So I,m not a real big fan of MA,I believe they are way overrated and over priced,and am not to shy of letting others know.So Twisted Wire from the Traxxas forum ,who obviously works for MA has been really laying into me for it.I find it funny,I keep asking for graphs and proof and get responses like these,he thinks name calling is the way to go.I thought some of you might be interested at what was said. Quote:
Originally Posted by asheck
Why would you not respond to my pm then?I got no warning so obviously the mods think I have a point.I had posted nothing about MA.If I need to go to nitrokillers I will,but everyones opinions are welcome here,just because they don't coinside with yours does not make them wrong.If you think MA is so good Why are they shunned on rcmonster?Thats the real brushless power sight.



MaxAmps did all they could to help at RC Monster but they continually got bashed by imature little boys like you and decide that they were spending to much time defending themselves for stuff that people would consistantly lie about. That being said RC monster is a place with a bunch of guys that have nothing better to do than *****. I used to hang there but got sick of the same crap that you are pulling here. Enjoy your pathetic life son and someday you'll meet a girl and maybe she'll help to straighten you out a bit.


Enjoy............

Oh and have a nice day.

TW
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Just bashing around the North Country

My opinion on MA is junk and a waste of money. I have one good pack form MA butt..
It took me 2 2s and 1 3s to combine to 1 4s once i sifted out all the bad cells. that is 3 out of 7 cells that were bad. Unacceptable in my opinion. I will say that the 4s does run fine but i only use it in less demanding applications eg. my heli which only requires 50 amps cont. I have to constantly balance the MA pack too. I have a FP (flightpower) and have yet to have a problem and the power delivery is awesome.

Sounds like Jason to me...

I am glad he left, he would contiually post up info that was wrong, just to steer newer members towards maxamps products....

lol...more like they prey on noobs. Too bad there are so many cheaper and better batts out there. Sounds like they are not handling the competition too well.

I have mixed feelings about MaxAmps.

I have a truck load of bad packs of theirs that were never abused that died very early in their life span. I don't like that they over-rate their packs and then over-charge you for them. I really don't like the way some of their employees flat-out lie and mislead with false information.

I do like the willingness that Austin has shown to come on to different forums to tell his side of the story. I do like some of the prices of the other stuff they sell, along with the typically quick shipping. I also like that they've at least gotten more people into the brushless/lipo world through their advertising. That should mean good things for the rest of us, I think.

If I were Austin, I would fire Jason immediately and re-rate and re-price the packs appropriately. I would also start some kind of quality check on the packs because too many of them have bad cells.

My 2 pennies anyway ....

I agree with most of that.As far as I know,I have not dealt with Jason,so I don't want to point fingers without knowing.Austin sent me a free pack to test against the 1's that I have.It failed,being no better and the only pack I have that I feel must be balanced every run.At nearly 3 times the price I do not consider it a good product.I understand that there cs is excellent,but the fact that so many need it is an indication of the quality they have.I hope they find a nice middle ground,either bring in good cells that wiill do what they say,or charge a fair price for there's.

For mikes sake - lets not go down this road again - pretty please...

I agree. I understand everyone has their opinion, but let's keep it light.

I can't remember where, but either here or a NitorKillers, discharge graphs of the various cells have been posted.

This has been discussed before, but there is also a shortage of standardized testing procedures used in advertising lipo specifications. This leads to inconsistent performance between two makers leading to a discrepancy in similarly rated packs. Where one may rate theirs modestly, another may be aggressive (maybe even optimistic) in their specs. Until a standard is defined, I expect this to be a regular occurance.

are you talking about Jason as in Jason Melville (sp?) because he convinced me to custom order a huge pack. i wasnt thoroughly convinced about this so i posted a thread http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...t=14114&page=2 and i have got some great advise, it seems flightpower are a much better company

I have to admit, I like the 8000 maxamps 2s lipo, they are perfect sized to fit my stadium truck and only 60 grams or so less, so no need to change setup. That said, I love flighpowers in every other car i have

crazyjr... I for one don't think you are crazy, lol.

I've been down this road here before, so I'm not going to debate the issue. Here's my opinion...

I have a lot of maxamps packs... but all but one of my packs I built myself from bare cells so that is a bit different, and some I got at he 10-20% discount program rate or discounted because they were backed up in production so the sale of bare cells at a discount was a win-win for both of us.

They have gotten expensive. I would like to see the price come back down some, as they did build a business based on low cost packs, but now they are a premium price.

But, the packs themselves I don't have a problem with, and the #'s I have seen are not bad at all, contrary to what many of the haters always say. I have put up eagletree data in the past and the haters don't believe it. Fine, whatever.

I have puffed a couple packs, but one was dead shorted by a smoked esc, and the other was left plugged in for like two weeks and found dead... 0 volts. Both of these packs were used for quite a few cycles after these incidents but eventually swelled as expected.

I have not had any other pack go bad. Maybe I'm too easy on my stuff. Most of my videos and racing has been on maxamps cells. I do have a "high end" kokam pack to compare with, and the #'s I get from it are a little better than my maxamps packs.... but there isn't a huge different in performance as some claim when comparing to a "good" pack.

"but you haven't run a flightpower pack.." and that's fine. I'm not claiming there are not better packs, or packs with more punch, etc. For that matter, I've seen some say the Zippy 30-40c are just as good as their flightpowers. I haven't run a 3000-4000 maxamps in a blistering fast 1/8 buggy so maybe it's true that they can't take it. My packs are all 5000 or more, and the most used pack for my 1/8 racing has been 8000mah, which works great.

I don't know what the deal is with the new 35c pack... I'm hoping they are just having issues with the test equipment. I talked to them recently and they were excited about how good the cells were... but the posted graphs have been funky so far.

Bottom line is maxamps is not perfect, and I think they should drop prices and c rating a bit, for their own good... but they are not "junk" and the packs don't all puff and die. And, whether or not you like the product... Austin has always been a good guy.

FWIW, a friend of mine just bought his first lipo (elite 4800) and it showed up swelled... he didn't know any better and was going to run it, until I told him. He had to argue with them, but they did take it back and refund him, so that's good. So, to him elite packs are "junk", but I doubt everyone has the same experience.

Now, I need to get off here and go run my CRT with the two year old maxamps pack that I built special for that truck. LOL

I have 4 MA packs, all 6000mah 2S packs. I have run them in an E-MAXX and E-REVO with the stock titans and with an 8xl, vxl rustler, and a CRT.5 w/4800kv medusa. I have no complaints with the packs. I have paid about $100/ pack after connectors and shipping and I haven't found any packs that come close to that price for that capacity. Over rated? Possibly! My packs do get a bit warm 120*ish after a hard session of speed runs. I bought the 6000mah packs though for their capacity and rating. I keep my peak currents below there continuous rating so I feel I should be ok.

Of course this is all my opinion and 2c so take it how you wish

knowing what we all know now , i would only recomend the 6k, and 8k packs, if one had to buy from ma, other then those they are not a good choice for 1/8 scale



as a side note.........i made my neu 4s pack into 2 x 2s packs because i got a erevo on the way........
the battery leads where 12 awg copper , im sure it has to be better then most other leads, i am very pleased with the neu lipos :yipi:

The TRC 6400mAh packs hold voltage better and only cost $88/each with a standard 1 year warranty. Throw in a little shipping and you're right there. The MA 6000mAh packs are $109 before shipping as a standard price now, so you got a deal for them.

The 5k and 6k packs are the ones I've had the most trouble with. I have 4 2s 6k packs from MaxAmps that are dropping voltage like a bad habit. I've had to reconfigure them a couple of times now as the cells individually die out. I also have two 3s 5k packs that have each puffed a cell and are now working only mildly well as 2s 5k packs.

All six of those MA packs had problems within the first 20 cycles and the highest amp draw vehicle they were in was a mild Feigao 9XL system in a Revo.

With that said, one of my biggest concerns remains the price for the "ratings" they're given. The 20C MA 8k packs have been good so far in my Revo, but not quite as good as the much much lower priced 15C TRC 8k packs. It makes me feel bad that new hobbyists are spending so much money on what many consider to be over-rated packs.

They say that they're using better cells now, so hopefully that proves to be the case.

hopefully... personally i cant afford them good or bad :P

I had great success with my Maxamps packs that I have had. They worked very well. Only reason I went to another lipo at the time was no ROAR legal hardcased option.

I now run enerland based packs and TrueRC lipos, and I am very happy with them as well.

I like Austin from the times I talked with him, and I had a good opinion of Jason from the time I met him personally till this:

http://www.nitrokillers.com/showthread.php?t=1552

Pretty lame in my opinion. Yet another reason for me not to do business with maxamps anymore. Austin better be careful or this guy could really damage his business.

While IMO Maxamps packs are not the premium packs they are now trying to sell them as, and they are certainly not worth the money they charge for them, I have to agree with what a few have said already. Austins biggest problem is that nut job that runs around the forums calling anyone that doesnt agree with him names. Totally ruined my opinion of the company. If you dont have anything contructive to say just don't say anything.

...and with that I'll shut up.

Wow has anyone else seen these yet?

Maybe it's just me but I think it really takes some big huevos to throw a piece of plastic and 6oz's of lead on your normal 20c 5k pack and then charge an additional $41 for it. And it's not even roar approved...

why would anyone pay for a heavier pack with frickin lead in it?

for minimum weight requirements... but id much rather buy the strips that fit in the subC holes in chassis that way its as low as physically possible.. and not roar approved yet... DUMB

Wow imagine one of those packs catching fire. I gotta believe burning lipo is toxic enough by itself.

This would be evacuate-the-block toxic, heck why not use mercury....

not to mention that it would melt and pool and create a really big mess... i didnt think of this before!

I prefer the hard wired to those packs, The 4mm plugs look like the castle 4mm banana plugs used on the mambamax. I got rid of those because of the connection problems

ok i will be honest, i have only been doing conversions for about 8 months, i have bought afew packs from maxamps as well as true rc and apogee ( how ever you spell it)

the only packs i have ever had fail were apogee

when buying my latest pack i looked around before calling auston at MA to have a 5s 35c 4200ss pack made for my new revo conversion. after talking with him for awile i got the pack made with 10 gauge wire for $220. my next packs will be zippy's

i though it was a good deal

If it can really hold 35C, then it is a good deal. Do some EagleTree testing on it for us and let us know if they've really found a "super-cell".

Thanks!

I have no idea why but I was immediately struck with the image of Wile E. Coyote placing an order with the Acme Novelty Company for some Sooooper Cells...

long day and lack of sleep are likely contributors but n/e/ways

i should have some logs as soon as i get me eagle tree v3

http://www.nitrokillers.com/attachme...9&d=1218044428 http://www.nitrokillers.com/showthread.php?t=1527 here's there graph of it.Read the fine print and it will speak for itself.

Guys the weighted packs are for racing... especially offroad. Everyone running lipo packs is adding lead to the car to make up for the weight that is lost by tossing the nickel packs. It's about setup and handling, and to some degree it's to meet min legal weight.

If you think it's stupid, you don't understand the application.

The reason it's good to have the pack pre-weighted is that you don't have to add anything, lead under or on top of the pack, etc.... like you do with any other lipo.

Seems quite a stretch to use their "leaded" option as another thing to bash them with. I think it's $10 for the lead??? At any rate, you don't pay for it unless you want it.

As for the 35c rating.. I don't like it, unless it's head and shoulders better than everything else. Even if it can be rated in some opinions as a 35c cell, I personally would under-rate it if I were maxamps. For example, call it a 25c or maybe 30c pack... have it exceed the rating... and avoid all the critics nit picking.

LOL good point with all their over rating that would be a start in the right direction

its very interesting that the cell only provides 3500mah of capacity at around 28C, is that normal on an enderland cell when its pushed to its limit? thanks. just seems crazy to rate the pack at 35c when it cant even dump 4000mah at less than 30C

I understand the intended application. And if you happen to have a vehicle that is perfectly balanced using a nimh pack and any reduction in weight at all will put your vehicle under the minimum required weight for it's class then this is obviously the battery for you. However if it was me that had an opportunity to redistribute (or even shed) some weight in my vehicle where it likely was not practical if possible at all I would not feel it was to big a hassle to deal with. Thats just me though.

If I was just stirring up shit I could understand the bashing comment but do you really feel that charging $40 for what cannot be $10 worth of lead at the very most is acceptable? I feel that is beyond any reasonable profit margin that would be reasonably expected, especially from a pack that has no current application in sanctioned racing.

If I had intended to bash anyone I certainly would have made it a point to at least have done a proper job of it. Geez you don't like their 35c rating...does that mean that you are bashing them also? Or is it only ok to express your dislikes of a product that your willing to pay for anyways?

does anyone have graphs for other companys, maybe we could do an overlay, im not convinced that the maxamps pack i bought is going to be amazeing, the main reason i was buying from them was for the warranty after i had $600 in apogee packs die.

the other reason was, the 5 cell pack is under 550 grams, and it was only $220 and they were more than happy to build my pack 10 gauge with no extra charge