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lincpimp 07.21.2008 11:53 PM

Hypersonic (a123) charger question
 
Was wondering if the hypersonic charger can handle a 3s2p pack? I know that a123 sell 1p packs in 2s and 3s, and they sell a 2s2p pack. I am guessing that it would take 30 mins to charge a 2p pack, as it takes about 15 to charge a 1p pack.

Also, what kind of runtime could I expect from a rustler with a 5000kv motor running a 3s1p a123 pack? Thruck would be geared for mind 40 mph range.

suicideneil 07.22.2008 05:55 PM

A123 systems sell two different models of hypersonic charger:

http://www.a123racing.com/html/soniccharge.html

The bigger one will do 2-3 "hypersonic packs only", whatever thats ment to mean. I would guess though that the charge current may simply be reduced if you plugged in a 2p pack, rather than a 1p pack, same as with any other charger, depends on its output power and the power supply...

Arct1k 07.22.2008 06:02 PM

Just use your hyperions in Life mode and max up the amps...

lincpimp 07.22.2008 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arct1k (Post 193920)
Just use your hyperions in Life mode and max up the amps...

My hyperions do not have a123 (LiFe) modes...

Was not aware there are t6wo differ588956869
*ent //a123369 ch8a5rg6er9s358.

Arct1k 07.22.2008 07:15 PM

Contact troy at BPP - I believe even the 5i's can be flashed.

My 5i's have a123 mode - He was going to flash my 5i ac/dc but ended up sending me a 6i ac/dc instead...

JThiessen 07.22.2008 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 193937)
My hyperions do not have a123 (LiFe) modes...

Was not aware there are t6wo differ588956869
*ent //a123369 ch8a5rg6er9s358.

Linc.....quit watching porn while posting on here......:lol:

BrianG 07.22.2008 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JThiessen (Post 193946)
Linc.....quit watching porn while posting on here......:lol:

Either that or his cordless keyboard batteries are dying. But knowing him, porn is the most likely cause...

lincpimp 07.22.2008 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JThiessen (Post 193946)
Linc.....quit watching porn while posting on here......:lol:

How do you say this in your country...blow me!:lol:


Actually, that was the wife f*cking with the keyboard while I was typing. I just submitted the post anyways, suprised the crap out of her.

lincpimp 07.22.2008 10:29 PM

Any ideas if the hypersonic charger can handle 3s2p????

Answer me!!!

Arct1k 07.22.2008 10:35 PM

Why wouldn't it? It should work on voltage feedback... Try it and let us know what happens...

PS read the hyperion comment

lincpimp 07.22.2008 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arct1k (Post 193984)
Why wouldn't it? It should work on voltage feedback... Try it and let us know what happens...

PS read the hyperion comment

Yeah, I will give troy a buzz. I am guessing that he would have to have them back to flash them?

I will give the hypersonic charger a try. Who wants to sell me 10 a123 cells? For 50 bucks:party:

BrianG 07.22.2008 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 193987)
Who wants to sell me 10 a123 cells? For 50 bucks:party:

If anyone is willing to sell 10 A123 cells to linc for $50, I'll pay $60. :lol: :tongue:

Arct1k 07.22.2008 10:44 PM

I'll pay 65

PS yes

lincpimp 07.22.2008 10:48 PM

No honor among theives, huh...

I will also provide the seller of the a123s with info that can be used to blackmail BrianG and Arkt1c... I am also negotiating a deal with lutach for some pics of him in womens clothing, they can be included too if necessary!

Easily make the difference back daily with this info.

Arct1k 07.22.2008 10:49 PM

Who is Arkt1c?

lincpimp 07.22.2008 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arct1k (Post 193994)
Whois Arkt1c?

What does "Whois" mean? Is that some sort of Latin? I could call you arctic, as it is correctly spelled... Unless you have some other meaning for your "handle".

snellemin 07.22.2008 10:55 PM

I charge 3s2p packs on my hypersonic charger just fine.

BrianG 07.22.2008 10:57 PM

Arct1k: It's your evil doppleganger...

Linc: Can't blackmail me - I've got no dirt and nothing to lose. Want my ex? Take her (please). Want my house? Take it. Want the car? OK. But if you touch any of my R/C stuff, prepare to lose some appendages - the number lost will depend on my mood.

lincpimp 07.22.2008 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snellemin (Post 193999)
I charge 3s2p packs on my hypersonic charger just fine.

Thanks, You are the man Romano. You actually answered my question!!!

Does it take twice as long? I am guessing the charger has a fixed output on the cc phase.

Arct1k 07.22.2008 11:01 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Who is this person?

lincpimp 07.22.2008 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 194000)
Arct1k: It's your evil doppleganger...

Linc: Can't blackmail me - I've got no dirt and nothing to lose. Want my ex? Take her (please). Want my house? Take it. Want the car? OK. But if you touch any of my R/C stuff, prepare to lose some appendages - the number lost will depend on my mood.

Got any pics of the ex? I am guessing if I take her, the house and car are thrown in? Isn't that usually how a divorce works...:rules:

As nice as your r/c collection is, I would not want it, no fans...:gasp:

lincpimp 07.22.2008 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arct1k (Post 194002)
Who is this person?

My little brother.

Arct1k 07.22.2008 11:05 PM

LOL I hope you guys are taking a roadtrip for the annual bash....

lincpimp 07.22.2008 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arct1k (Post 194006)
LOL I hope you guys are taking a roadtrip for the annual bash....

When is it? I may be able to come. BTW, that was a pic of me, I am an only child...can't you tell??!!

snellemin 07.22.2008 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 194001)
Thanks, You are the man Romano. You actually answered my question!!!

Does it take twice as long? I am guessing the charger has a fixed output on the cc phase.

Yea, it takes twice as long, but it works.
Adding the fan to the case did wonders for me while charging outside in the Texas heat.

lincpimp 07.23.2008 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snellemin (Post 194013)
Yea, it takes twice as long, but it works.
Adding the fan to the case did wonders for me while charging outside in the Texas heat.

Sounds like a plan, I will try to keep it well ventilated.

Romano, do you think a 5s2p a123 packs will perform better with 100amp loads than a pair of trakpower 4900mah 25c 2s lipos in series? What kind of v drop can I expect? Setup is a gtp on road with a kb45 8l geared for about 45-48mph...

Thanks!

snellemin 07.23.2008 12:27 AM

I would say that performance capability would be the same, but the A123 will outlast the trakpower by 10x.

2P pack under 100A will run great. I have data on a 5s1p pack, which is 96.09A@11.89V. Voltage ofcourse would be a bit higher with a 2p pack(3V higher I think), and would also stay cooler.

lincpimp 07.23.2008 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snellemin (Post 194026)
I would say that performance capability would be the same, but the A123 will outlast the trakpower by 10x.

2P pack under 100A will run great. I have data on a 5s1p pack, which is 96.09A@11.89V. Voltage ofcourse would be a bit higher with a 2p pack(3V higher I think), and would also stay cooler.

That sounds good. I may have to reconfigure my 10 cells into a 3s2p and a 2s2p pack. That way I can still charge with the hypersonic charger, and I can use the packs in other vehicles.

I have a rustler that I need to finish that will run a quark 5000kv motor with a 3s a123 pack. I would like to see how it does on 1p first, as I am trying to keep the weight down...

Arct1k 07.23.2008 09:57 AM

That funny as I'm converting my 3s2p and 2s2p packs into 6s1p for my revo...

PS This year's bash will be held on Sunday, September 28th. RCDriver will attend and cover the race this year as well!

snellemin 07.23.2008 10:06 AM

3s A123 with the quark should run nice. You will only see longer run times with a 2P pack. If you gear high, then the 2P will be beneficial speed wise.
Yesterday I ran the B50 5s hacker with 3s A123 on the hacker sport ESC and needless to say I smoked the ESC within a minute of use. The thing just melted away.

In my Rustler, I snap the HPI dogbones with 6s A123 and heavy beatlocks wheels. Will be going over to the heavy duty HPI dogbone setup this Saturday. When the MGM 16024 comes in, I'll be running 7s A123 in the Rustler and see how well it holds up.

lincpimp 07.23.2008 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snellemin (Post 194095)
3s A123 with the quark should run nice. You will only see longer run times with a 2P pack. If you gear high, then the 2P will be beneficial speed wise.
Yesterday I ran the B50 5s hacker with 3s A123 on the hacker sport ESC and needless to say I smoked the ESC within a minute of use. The thing just melted away.

In my Rustler, I snap the HPI dogbones with 6s A123 and heavy beatlocks wheels. Will be going over to the heavy duty HPI dogbone setup this Saturday. When the MGM 16024 comes in, I'll be running 7s A123 in the Rustler and see how well it holds up.

Interesting, I also have a b50 5s hacker, and planned to run it in my tt-01 on 3s lipo. Just for speed runs. Do you think a MM will handle that, or is it too hot for that esc? Planned to use a neu 3s 5000mah 25c lipo, and gear the tt-01 25/55 (max gearing with the stock motor mount)

snellemin 07.23.2008 10:20 AM

Put a fan on the mamba max and it should do fine. I ran the B50 5s in both my pan cars. On the 60+oz pan car, it ran on 3s2p A123 was just too much power to control it right. In the 45oz pan car, on 3s A123 it was just way too much power as well. Both cars have Mamba Maxes with additional caps and fans running.

Edit:

Small Pan car roll out was 1.9.
Big Pan car roll out was 2.4.


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