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DRIFT_BUGGY 08.20.2008 07:36 AM

Losi 8IGHT Brushless Kit and ESC/Motor Combos
 
Check this out, everyone knew it was coming

http://www.phpbbplanet.com/losi8ight...orum=losi8ight

DRIFT_BUGGY 08.20.2008 08:29 AM

Wouldn't mind knowing what that ESC is rated at

brushlessboy16 08.20.2008 09:04 AM

wow, losi is cranking them out, wonder how good the motors are

Takedown 08.20.2008 09:14 AM

Looks like god sent a rival to compete with the MMM. Hope the specs are up to par.

brushlessboy16 08.20.2008 09:28 AM

i still think with losi's recent release of hard shell 4s lipos, i doubt it willl be a contender with the MMM, maybe the MM though.

lucias 08.20.2008 09:34 AM

The motor/esc combos are on there site... 3-5 cell lipo

http://www.losi.com/Products/Feature...rodId=LOSB9557

Takedown 08.20.2008 09:47 AM

God, I wonder when it'll be out. Looks to be a good MMM contender. Just wish it would handle 6s. 150a cont and 720a peak is pretty good. Im dying to have the esc.

Takedown 08.20.2008 09:53 AM

Im going to back order it here in a few days. But Im having 2nd thought on the MMM.....

Sammus 08.20.2008 10:07 AM

I wouldn't trust it, or anything from losi ever again. I had two stock MLST2's - both of them would thermal in total stock configuration, right out of the box, if I drove them hard (not even that hard). I asked Losi about it expecting maybe for them to at least try and diagnose the problem. Their solution: The ESC shuts down to protect it from overheating if you draw to much current, try not to use full throttle from a standstill.

After dropping a Mamba 25 system in one of them I understood why they were trying to limit the power so much. I will NEVER trust in or spend a cent on anything made by Team Losi again. Absolutely pathetic.

CC on the other hand have usually at least met, and exceeded my expectation of any of there products or customer service. The exception being that 2 of 5 BECs I bought were faulty out of the pack.

Takedown 08.20.2008 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sammus (Post 203749)
I wouldn't trust it, or anything from losi ever again. I had two stock MLST2's - both of them would thermal in total stock configuration, right out of the box, if I drove them hard (not even that hard). I asked Losi about it expecting maybe for them to at least try and diagnose the problem. Their solution: The ESC shuts down to protect it from overheating if you draw to much current, try not to use full throttle from a standstill.

After dropping a Mamba 25 system in one of them I understood why they were trying to limit the power so much. I will NEVER trust in or spend a cent on anything made by Team Losi again. Absolutely pathetic.

Well of course, the mlst and mlst2 are terrible... Losi makes some really good products otherwise.

skellyo 08.20.2008 10:22 AM

It's great that a big name company like Losi has finally gotten the hint about how popular electric 1/8th has become.

kulangflow 08.20.2008 12:45 PM

I like that the ESC comes with a programming card. It will be interesting to see how it holds up.

crazyjr 08.20.2008 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sammus (Post 203749)
I wouldn't trust it, or anything from losi ever again. I had two stock MLST2's - both of them would thermal in total stock configuration, right out of the box, if I drove them hard (not even that hard). I asked Losi about it expecting maybe for them to at least try and diagnose the problem. Their solution: The ESC shuts down to protect it from overheating if you draw to much current, try not to use full throttle from a standstill.

After dropping a Mamba 25 system in one of them I understood why they were trying to limit the power so much. I will NEVER trust in or spend a cent on anything made by Team Losi again. Absolutely pathetic.

CC on the other hand have usually at least met, and exceeded my expectation of any of there products or customer service. The exception being that 2 of 5 BECs I bought were faulty out of the pack.

Please don't let the mini's (especially the MLST's) send you away from Losi. I have an 8T and will not drive another truggy ever again. I like the motor mount, and the battery box. I can't wait to get one, for my truggy

Finnster 08.20.2008 05:21 PM

Cool, they have a $80 conv kit too for the 8. That motor mount looks suprizingly similar.....

Does anyone see the the esc only price? It just may come out before the MMM does. Novak is the one really screwed here tho. The HV system just looks like a dinosaur. I don't understand what they are doing trying to milk that thing out w/ "5mm upgrade" kits when now the OEMs have better controllers. Nice going losi (and nice to see they got it out before TRX ;) )

Dagger Thrasher 08.20.2008 05:58 PM

Interesting looking stuff! I'm surprised that Losi have released this kind of system so quickly, but here it is. Sensible-looking motor KVs too, though they won't match the CC Neu for efficiency.

I just wonder who REALLY design and make that ESC, though...

tc3_racer_001 08.20.2008 06:06 PM

looks like the ones on hobbycity... and they are 1/2 the price there... but the larger ones dont exist on their site yet.... perhaps soon

DRIFT_BUGGY 08.20.2008 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finnster (Post 203855)
Cool, they have a $80 conv kit too for the 8. That motor mount looks suprizingly similar.....

Does anyone see the the esc only price? It just may come out before the MMM does. Novak is the one really screwed here tho. The HV system just looks like a dinosaur. I don't understand what they are doing trying to milk that thing out w/ "5mm upgrade" kits when now the OEMs have better controllers. Nice going losi (and nice to see they got it out before TRX ;) )

$189.99 for the ESC by itself. It is due Mid September.

Anyone know how makes the Lipo Batteries for Losi?

jhautz 08.20.2008 06:32 PM

They are all on horizon now with pricing.

http://search.horizonhobby.com/index...d=11BE23513ECA

$189 for the esc only and $334 for the esc/motor combo. Not bad. Might look into testing one. Looks like its designed for racing, nothing more than 5s is needed for racing.

Looks solid from the specs. I cant seem to find dimensions on the esc. Id like to kow how big. it sounds like what I wanted from CC. A MM that supports 5s and a built in switching BEC. If its not much bigger than a MM (it looks like it wont be) it should be a very nice choice for a race setup.



Lutach will be disapointed with only 5s. :lol:

jhautz 08.20.2008 06:55 PM

looks like from the motor combos and voltage limits they are shooting for motor rpms arond 25,000. Not very high. but most likely very eficient and cool running. Also based on those rpms and the 15T and 16T pionin an45T spur that is suppiled in ther conversion kit they are targeting speeds of only around 35mph. Very tack oriented looking sertup IMO. 35mph is probably not going to satisfy the basher.

Looking forward to seeing how it works out for them. This will certainly mean that the losi guys will have an easy path to the electric side. and I'm gonna bet that the winter racing scene indoors this year is littered with electric Losis. It looks like a total no brainer drop in system. Just buy the losi battery, esc, motor, and conversion kit.

In a way I am disapointed though. Everyone was hoping for a buggy designd from the ground up for electric power, at least thats what I was hoping to see from Losi. This is nothing more than a factory branded conversion kit. Not really different from what has already been available from RCmonster and others for a long time. Good to see the big guys gettting into the game. Still... I think I was hoping for a bigger splash. Still need to buy a nitro roller and toss out the nitro related bits.

I wonder if they have an Eight-E Race Roller planned for the near future, or even an Eight-E RTR.

jhautz 08.20.2008 06:57 PM

Motors are 4 pole like the Neu and Plet so the esc should run a Neu just fine.

Electric Dave 08.20.2008 07:27 PM

Today is a historic day for Electric RC! Losi has redeemed themselves (in my eyes)! Let the deluge of Electric 1/8th racing popularity begin!

DRIFT_BUGGY 08.20.2008 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhautz (Post 203878)
They are all on horizon now with pricing.

http://search.horizonhobby.com/index...d=11BE23513ECA

$189 for the esc only and $334 for the esc/motor combo. Not bad. Might look into testing one. Looks like its designed for racing, nothing more than 5s is needed for racing.

Looks solid from the specs. I cant seem to find dimensions on the esc. Id like to kow how big. it sounds like what I wanted from CC. A MM that supports 5s and a built in switching BEC. If its not much bigger than a MM (it looks like it wont be) it should be a very nice choice for a race setup.



Lutach will be disapointed with only 5s. :lol:


Quote From Todd Hodge
The ESC accepts up to 5S, with all of our testing we have found that 4S is the best all around battery to use.

DRIFT_BUGGY 08.20.2008 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacII (Post 203896)
Today is a historic day for Electric RC! Losi has redeemed themselves (in my eyes)! Let the deluge of Electric 1/8th racing popularity begin!

Yep, they beat Tekin to it and being one of the 1st manufactures to bring out a 1/8 combo and own kit

DRIFT_BUGGY 08.20.2008 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhautz (Post 203890)
Motors are 4 pole like the Neu and Plet so the esc should run a Neu just fine.

Where did you find that out?

Very tempted to try this setup

jhautz 08.20.2008 09:29 PM

I read it in one of the spec sheets somewhere on horizon. I cant find it again now. It was the 2nd line of the motor spec right below the 720 motor size spec. I know I'm not crazy... :tongue: I know I read it somewhere, now I gotta keep searching.

Finnster 08.20.2008 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacII (Post 203896)
Today is a historic day for Electric RC! Losi has redeemed themselves (in my eyes)! Let the deluge of Electric 1/8th racing popularity begin!


Now if they can just get rid of all the imperial screws in their kits and go all metric..lol.

Very nice and nice price. Really looks like a good setup. Wonder what the drivibility will be like?

I'm sure an all E will eventually come out, but this makes the most sense. Its easy to do so they get it out fast, and the 8 is already huge so lots can make the jump and not a bunch of new parts to have to be supported. It make take a bit more popularity to get a dedicated 1/8th E kit, but BL has grown so much so fast it won't take long.

MTBikerTim 08.20.2008 09:42 PM

It is interesting that it is going to be using motor braking.

MTBikerTim 08.20.2008 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finnster (Post 203938)
Now if they can just get rid of all the imperial screws in their kits and go all metric..lol.

Number one reason why I won't buy Losi.

Five-oh-joe 08.20.2008 10:35 PM

Why on earth is the motor by itself 180 bucks (even if it's 4 poles, it's still gotta have something significant going on in there- Medusas are only about 120 IIRC for the 60mm versions and they're great motors!)? I wonder what diameter this "720 size" motor is (hopefully that nomenclature is not just a marketing scheme, and really denotes a larger-than-540 diameter size). If it's the same diameter as a Dewalt 700 motor....that'd be SICKENING torque.:gasp:

In fact, that size motor would probably be ideal for these conversions; far less stress on the motor with such a large potential rotor.

crazyjr 08.20.2008 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Five-oh-joe (Post 203957)
Why on earth is the motor by itself 180 bucks (even if it's 4 poles, it's still gotta have something significant going on in there- Medusas are only about 120 IIRC for the 60mm versions and they're great motors!)? I wonder what diameter this "720 size" motor is (hopefully that nomenclature is not just a marketing scheme, and really denotes a larger-than-540 diameter size). If it's the same diameter as a Dewalt 700 motor....that'd be SICKENING torque.:gasp:

In fact, that size motor would probably be ideal for these conversions; far less stress on the motor with such a large potential rotor.

On rc groups, in the Neu motors section, there is a thread where someone refers to a 19 series neu as a 720. I'll see if i can find it. If true, WOW!!! the torque.

found it http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=900834

MetalMan 08.21.2008 12:30 AM

The motor diameter has me confused as well... We need some clarification for sure. For a race buggy a 540 diameter (36mm) is plenty. A 720 would be what, 45mm? That's way too much weight for a buggy.

jhautz 08.21.2008 01:07 AM

I dont know this for sure but I suspect the 720 motor means its 72mm long like a Feigao XL motor. Its probably 36mm diameterx 72mm long.

Just a guess, but it makes sense in my easilly confused brain.

tntpower 08.21.2008 01:17 AM

PHP Code:

Anyone know how makes the Lipo Batteries for Losi

I know from a reliable source that the Losi battery are made by Yuntong in China:yes:

lincpimp 08.21.2008 01:31 AM

This kit looks cool. I just picked up a losi 8 kit roller that is super clean. I was going to use a rcp motor mount and make the rest myself, but the losi setup looks too nice to pass up...

I will run a hacker and a MM in mine, alot cheaper than the losi setup. Nice to see more stuff available in the larger scale brushless dept.

Five-oh-joe 08.21.2008 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyjr (Post 203965)
On rc groups, in the Neu motors section, there is a thread where someone refers to a 19 series neu as a 720. I'll see if i can find it. If true, WOW!!! the torque.

found it http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=900834

Holy CRAP!:gasp: While I think this is going to be a sickening amount of torque, I think it'll be good for conversions and monster trucks. Less strain on the motor possibly. With that, maybe this setup will run nice and cool with no problems at all while still pushing buggies to 40-45mph easily?

So let's recap what we supposedly know about this motor; 19 series sized, 4 poles, and low kv. The description "torque monster" comes to mind....

MTBikerTim 08.21.2008 01:54 AM

My guess is that jhautz is correct. It isn't going to be a 45mm can cause that is huge.

ffactory666 08.21.2008 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhautz (Post 203878)
They are all on horizon now with pricing.

http://search.horizonhobby.com/index...d=11BE23513ECA

$189 for the esc only and $334 for the esc/motor combo. Not bad. Might look into testing one. Looks like its designed for racing, nothing more than 5s is needed for racing.

Looks solid from the specs. I cant seem to find dimensions on the esc. Id like to kow how big. it sounds like what I wanted from CC. A MM that supports 5s and a built in switching BEC. If its not much bigger than a MM (it looks like it wont be) it should be a very nice choice for a race setup.



Lutach will be disapointed with only 5s.
:lol:

Wow , never been a Losi fan but i will hand it to them on this one . They are the first to bring out a 5s capable racing esc that actually has mounting tabs / plate :yipi:

If it runs well and the fan doesn't break this esc will be a hit and for only a bit more than the MMM .

ffactory666 08.21.2008 02:28 AM

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Just blew up the picture of the esc from the Horizon site . It looks like the fan is intergrated into some kind of heatsink which wraps around the esc and this has the mounting tabs attached to it ?

jnev 08.21.2008 02:36 AM

ffactory - There was a diagram posted somewhere on the forum that shows exactly what you said. Using those 4 mounting tabs, it mounts straight to a another mount on the chassis. As long as those tabs on the ESC are metal, it should be a very durable and secure way of mounting the ESC. :yes:

EDIT: I didn't find the post, but here is the exploded view of how the ESC is mounted:
http://www.losi.com/ProdInfo/Files/8IGHTEexplode2.pdf
That a very clever design of how the gear mesh is adjusted too. :yes: I actually like that better because you can loosen only one screw instead of loosening two in a very awkward position.

While looking there, I also found the body for the "E-8ight":
http://www.losi.com/Products/Feature...rodId=LOSA8097
Although not much info on it...

DRIFT_BUGGY 08.21.2008 03:04 AM

Even got their own decal sheet now to

http://www.losi.com/ProdInfo/LOS/250/LOSA8368-250.jpg


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