Mamba Monster Vs. Novak Hv Pro
 

hey guys what would be the best for a truggy conversion i read a ariclt about the novak and it sounds pretty good but the monster is also sounding who has some experience in this to help out thank you!

I don't have direct experience, but have made some observations. The HV ESC is heavier and has a larger footprint. It is sensored, so your motor choice is quite limited (particularly to Novak motors). The HV won't have the computer programmability, which makes the MMM MUCH more adjustable. It will be more expensive than the MMM. The HV will be rated at 4s but is supposed to be able to handle 5s (MMM can do 6s).

I have a feeling that the MMM is capable of nearly twice the output of the Novak. If you intend on buying the MMM/motor combo, it will be a better choice than the Novak.

I read a similar article that was singing the praises of the novak. They had it in an 1/8 buggy, which is about all the novak 380xl size motors can handle. It is nice in the fact it is sensored, but lacks the programability of the MMM.

A truggy has more weight and a heavier drivetrain than a buggy, and the MMM will work better.

I do not see how the MMM is cheaper then the HV Pro (unless someone pre-ordered it from Mike a few months ago and got the discount).
As for the MMM/motor combo, I think castle has shown us that no one (not even them) knows when it will be readily available.
BTW, I do agree that once all of the kinks are worked out of the MMM and once the motor is released (and any possible kinks worked out) it would be a better option for anything larger then a buggy.
But if you want something now, Castle can't help you (unless you happen to have a motor sitting around that is perfect for your truggy already or several hundred dollars for a Neu.
{/End of Rant}

what about the monster and a fiegao xl motor which size would you reccomend.

Oh teh drama! :oh:

I don't think you'd have any problem pushing a truggy around with a feigao. If it can throw around my 11# all aluminum and titanium emaxx, a truggy should be no problem. Besides, I happen to think the kv of the castle neu's is a bit high for running in a truggy with 6S.

MMM... They don't even compare. I've had both and I don't run Novak anymore. I have the new HV-Maxx system I tried for a week and it's now collecting dust in a drawer.

Trust me, wait for the MMM and don't look back. The sensored system is great and all but it cant put out the power a MMM can.

Good catch, turns out the HV Pro ESC costs the same as the MMM:
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXVHB2&P=7
But for the money the MMM still gives you more bang.

And I am not denying the MMM isn't better (more voltage and amps). But they are still not available to buy today (and have it shipped tomorrow). Also, I want to see if they do anything about the fan wire issue.

Mostly I just like to ramble on, I mean no offence to the castle guys. And I will state I run a Novak system (now I have the new HV-Pro w/6.5 but I have been busy with housework so I haven't installed it yet).

Personally, I am happy I picked the Novak, because back in Jan when I bought it I was being told "oh the MMM is coming out in Feb". We all know where that has gone.... But if I would have waited for the MMM I would have lost a summer of bashing/racing.

the MMM is available today. Tower has them. place a backorder and it will magically ship within a day. T
The "fan wire issue" is a non issue. I have run the v1 of the MMM for months without any problems.
The Novak is old technology. limited to 4S. limited motor choices, very limited gearing and it gets very hot, and cant program it on the PC. There is no comparison.

MM + CCBEC + Feigao on 4s worked fine for me before (and after) the MMM came out. And look, you can still buy it all now! :mdr:

Mgm blows em both away.

i called a few hobbyshops today and they raved about the hv pro because of the smoothness in lowend for racing.

personally i like to go fast around a track, not crawling speed! from the videos ive seen of the monster max (version 1 no less) was superb. u could almost crawl a revo with it haha. as long as the batteries can supply the current i dont see how much worse sensorless can be.

The novak setup is fine in an 1/8 BUGGY. Enough power on 4s lipo, and it is smooth, due to being sensored.

Not enough power to get a TRUGGY going without overheating though, and that was the point of this thread...

which fiegao xl motor would you reccomend?sorry i am new to this and ask alot of questions before spending money i live in northern california and we dont have alot of resources for this.

Disagreed. I never liked MGM programming, and still don't. But this isn't the place for that discussion.

Go with the 9xl for truggy. I tried 8xl before but the 9xl just runs much cooler and has more torque.

Till it catches on fire and has to be shipped off to the Czech Republic.

They may be ok in a monster truck for bashing but they haven't proven themselves very reliable for 1/8th scale off-road buggy racing. Neither has the Novak to tell the truth.

Wait! neither has the MMM so far! :mdr:

At least they are in Kansas. :smile:

I own(ed) both and you are way off on that.

They both have strengths and weaknesses, neither is vastly superior to the other. I do prefer my MMM over the MGM though, as it is easier to program and far smoother. The MGM also still has issues running anything over 4 poles.

The HV pro is yesterday's news in my opinion. They finally add a lipo cut off, two years too late and they have yet to add detailed programming capability and are limited on motor choices and finally don't support over 4s.

The MMM is vastly superior in all ways to the HV pro.

I can't wait until my MMM gets here so I can try my Novak HV4.5 motor on it. And btw, I've tried:

Feigao 540 6s
Feigao 380 9t
Feigao 380 12s
Feigao 8xl
Feigao 9L
Kontronik Twist 47
Tekin Redline 632
Novak SS5800
Novak HV4.5

And the Novak motors have proven to be the winners. They seem to be the most efficient of the bunch and have plenty of power. Many people who disagree are gearing them incorrectly, are not using good enough batteries, or are just going by what they hear.

I'd also say the MMM is a better system overall. My dad had the HV-Maxx in his E-Revo and it wasn't that much more powerful than the stock titans tbh. If you go the MMM route you have a ton of motors to choose from as well, anywhere from the expensive but super efficient Neus to the cheaper Feigaos, whereas with the Novak system you pretty much have to go with their motors, which doesn't leave you many options. Plus the programability and the ratings of the MMM beat out the Novak as well, and for the same price. It is an easy choice for me.

Are you sure about this? I've had one on backorder for a few weeks now and it has not been shipped yet.

and, if your really in LOVE with the novak motors then you can always try to use one with the MMM, but personally you'd be mad!

The HV Pro also requires a UBEC, according to Charlie at Novak.

MMM does not, if Castle got it right this time.

Did you read my post? Mad? The Novak HV ESC makes me mad.

I ordered back in May, and saw others that ordered after me getting their ship notice. So I called them, and apparently PAYPAL had supposedly rejected the payment (not sure why, as there was NO notification to me). Anyway, gave them my CC and its now shipping.

Just to weigh in on the the debate:
The HV system is much faster than the stock titans. If someone states otherwise, they are either exaggerating, or it was completely set up wrong. I run mine against two trucks that have stock titans in them every time I run, and its night and day. I'd also quesiton the UBEC requirement as stated above - there may be a certain situation or two where Novak would strongly recommend one. They DO need an external LVC though if you are running Lipo.

Now, the MMM is theoretically going to be a better system - IF they get it all working correctly. Its looking to me like there are still issues. But having the built in UBEC, 6S capability, and programmable, its got a lot going for it. I REALLY hope that in a couple months I can post again and say that its far and away the best item I have ever purchased.....:intello:

sorry, off topic for a brief moment.

GlassDR, what's your CRT go like with the Ne1700kv & with what battery? ie: runtimes & what pinion are you using?

Back to topic...........

I had a MM & toasted it in my CRT with a 4S 6000 & a Neu 2700 running stock 13t pinion.
Sent the MM back & had it repaired for free. Got it at home with the Tekno 1515/2.5D/1700 where I'm not ATM. :diablo:

Under what circumstances?

My friend and I are both running E-firestorms with the same gearing, but he's running a MM/5700 combo and I'm running a Novak/SS5800 w/sintered rotor. On Orion 3200mah packs we're even, but if we both upgrade to TP 4900mah packs the MM walks away from the Novak like it's standing still. He's got at least 10mph+ on me. I'm guessing it's the ESC. I'll try a MM with the Novak motor and see if it's a closer race.

The HV Pro has a built-in 6V/3A BEC

The ss5800 is rated for 225 watts max. The 3200 packs are good for about 60amps cont, which should be around 400 watts. My guess is that the 5700 can put out more than 400 watts if the battery makes that much difference. The novak motor is smaller...

Ah, I forgot about the 225w max rating. It is an old ESC after all...the first brushless system I ever bought. I was running a MM/CCBEC/Medusa 36-50-3300 on 3s, but the added weight and power just made the truck harder to drive and more prone to breaking so I dropped in the Novak. Funny thing is that he passes me on the straights, but I kill him in the corners and get about 10mins more runtime. Sometimes slower is better.

Gotta slow down to go fast!

I just noticed this posted to the HV Pro motor page of our website. Usually we do speed tests for internal info, but now we have added them to the page:

HV Pro Speeds in Stock E-Maxx

Even I think we have gone a bit overboard with the disclaimers.....:rofl: These were all run on our "parking lot" test course.

The MMM are shipping now, so no reason to rush out and buy an inferior product. There are a ton of motors avail for the MMM too. The cheapie Feigaos, but also Neus, CC Neus as well as the ~Neu quality medusa motors. Medusa is coming out w/ 70mm and 80mm motors soon as well so just wait.

MGMs are really nice and very robust. I have an older one and I like it alot. The smoothness was always fine for me, but the brakes are iffy. I sent it in for updating and the recent firmwares are smoother and more refined. Still a solid pick in escs as well. Stick prgramming for the CC escs sucks as well, just a bit less so.

I am a big castle fan, but the novak HV is not looking to bad. With my mtroniks 7XL feigao combo I can only get 37 mph but insane torque. The 7XL is too much for the mtroniks truck esc and it fried it. So until I get my MMM I am dead in the water. Even if I get my MMM doesnt the 7XL heat up a bunch?? The novak motor also looks pretty long which means it should have good torque. After seeing what the 7XL can do I really dont want to go backward in terms of speed and torque.
Also wont the Novak be more efficient than my 7XL which will mean longer runtimes?

For around 35-40mph the novak system should work fine. I would go with the 5.5 motor and stick with the gearing suggestions that novak offers. It will not be as powerful as the 7xl, but will run cooler, and you will most likely get longer runtimes. I would still go with a MMM and a neu motor, but that is more expensive than the Novak setup. The MMM/motor combo will be the best bet, but it is still a few months off....

The SS5800 motor was rated without a load. The actual loaded KV is something like 4300 is I recall correctly.

All of the novak motors are rated without load and loaded they seem to go down a bit. Thats the only difficult part in choosing one of them. You really cant calculate top speed like we do in the top speed calculator programs. I had a 5800 and it was an ok setup. I did make the mistake once of overgearing it and the controller puffed out a couple of puffs of white smoke and then the controller literally cooked itself to death. My garage still smells like burnt electronics because of that one.

Yeah, but it is a linear BEC. The MMM has a switching BEC -- so you can hook up 6S and draw 3A off the BEC all day long. The Novak BEC will shut down on more than 3S.