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Mike_D 08.27.2008 10:41 AM

MM & Team Orion Motor Cogging Issues
 
So i am using a Team Orion 17.5 sensored brushless motor on a MM and in my Stadium truck and i am having a lot of cogging issues. It just kind of stutters for a while when on the ground when trying to take off. What settings should i be using on the MM with a sensored motor?

skellyo 08.27.2008 10:44 AM

What's your overall gearing and what batteries are you using?

Mike_D 08.27.2008 10:53 AM

I am using a 87 tooth spur and 20 tooth pinion. I am also using some good SMC 4600mah nimh's. The truck is a Losi XXT MF2.

brushlessboy16 08.27.2008 11:12 AM

try increasing start power

Takedown 08.27.2008 11:19 AM

I also had this issue while running my sensored motors. Make a steep throttle curve from about 0%-25% and then make the rest of the 75% linear. This helped my issue alot and I barely noticed any cogging after that.

BrianG 08.27.2008 11:44 AM

It doesn't sound like a sensored motor issue per se, just that the kv is kinda low for the voltage being used. 17.5 turn is probably a low kv motor. It just sounds like the motor is not spinning fast enough at low speeds for the ESC to get a good rotor position reading.

Increasing the start power and twiddling with the throttle curve should help a lot if this is the case. You gotta get it spinning fairly fast right off the bat, then the ESC should be able to read positions fine.

Mike_D 08.27.2008 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 205951)
It doesn't sound like a sensored motor issue per se, just that the kv is kinda low for the voltage being used. 17.5 turn is probably a low kv motor. It just sounds like the motor is not spinning fast enough at low speeds for the ESC to get a good rotor position reading.

Increasing the start power and twiddling with the throttle curve should help a lot if this is the case. You gotta get it spinning fairly fast right off the bat, then the ESC should be able to read positions fine.

That makes sense. I'll try those two things and let you guys know if they work.

brushlessboy16 08.27.2008 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 205951)
It doesn't sound like a sensored motor issue per se, just that the kv is kinda low for the voltage being used. 17.5 turn is probably a low kv motor. It just sounds like the motor is not spinning fast enough at low speeds for the ESC to get a good rotor position reading.

Increasing the start power and twiddling with the throttle curve should help a lot if this is the case. You gotta get it spinning fairly fast right off the bat, then the ESC should be able to read positions fine.


we said that...:whistle:





:na:

BrianG 08.27.2008 12:34 PM

I know, I was just repeating it.

BTW: Did you get the pinion yet?

brushlessboy16 08.27.2008 12:45 PM

yep :D

Mike_D 08.27.2008 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brushlessboy16 (Post 205966)
we said that...:whistle:





:na:


:oops: Sorry you both did say that too.

Takedown 08.27.2008 02:05 PM

Hey as long as hes clarifying it Im fine with people repeating things.:yes:

Mike_D 08.27.2008 07:21 PM

Well i set the start power on high and that helped a lot. I also played with the throttle curve but no matter what it did not seem to make much of a difference. It still cogs right when i pull the trigger but then after it's going no problems what so ever. Any other advice to get rid of the start cog? Besides buying a sensored ESC. I want to race this truck but that start cog is going to be an issue. If i do have to get a sensored ESC and recomendations?

BrianG 08.27.2008 07:24 PM

Normally I wouldn't suggest this, but what about a Tekno clutch adaptor? That will allow the motor to spool up a little before engaging the vehicle. Of course, you won't have motor braking with this setup...

Mike_D 08.28.2008 06:08 AM

It's only a 1/10th scale truck so i don't think that would work. Isn't the Tekno made for 5mm shafts?

tc3_racer_001 08.28.2008 07:37 AM

hmm. i tried (with a higher powered sensored motor) just setting throttle deadband to like 30, so when i hit the trigger, it went straight to 30% throttle, may not be the best for racing but helped somewhat for me on takeoff, try this perhaps?

Mike_D 08.30.2008 12:41 PM

Well after spending a couple of days playing with the settings on my MM i have fixed the problem. I went out and bought a Novak GTB sensored ESC. :yes::yipi:

brushlessboy16 08.30.2008 02:13 PM

ewwww sensored :lol:

Mike_D 08.30.2008 02:17 PM

Yeah i know but at least my ZX-5 is still sensorless. :yes:

fishmasterdan 08.31.2008 08:58 AM

Mike;
I tried to do what you are trying. I even had the cogging down to a BARE minimum but its not good enough to race with.

You have to go mod to use MM stuff. Stock is really sensored only. GL on race day.


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