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virusss 11.04.2005 05:14 AM

Help me please
 
Exscuse me for my bad english i am Italian,I would want to modify mine savage in brushless, I wanted a council on the motor and on the regolator to acquire, I would want to use two packages lipo from 7.4 volt 8000 mh, I would want to know if possible also the pinion to use. Thousands thanks Ettore

harald-hans 11.04.2005 05:47 AM

Re: Help me please
 
Quote:

Originally posted by virusss
Exscuse me for my bad english i am Italian,I would want to modify mine savage in brushless, I wanted a council on the motor and on the regolator to acquire, I would want to use two packages lipo from 7.4 volt 8000 mh, I would want to know if possible also the pinion to use. Thousands thanks Ettore
Hi Ettore,

sorry but I have no experience with a Savage but Brushless is Brushless and here are some "good" examples for motors and controllers:

Lehner 1940/8 - www.lehner-motoren.de or

BIGMAXXimum - www.plettenberg-motoren.com

For controllers look here:

20120 / BEC MicroCar - www.bk-electronics.com or

future-18.97FW - www.schulze-elektronik-gmbh.de

Hope this helps you a little bit !?

Greetings from Germany

harald-hans


P.S. I use also two LiPo packs with each 7,4V and 8000mAh !

Dafni 11.04.2005 06:27 AM

Hi Ettore. Welcome to the forum!

There are plenty of choices for motor and controller. Depends on how much money you want to spend.

Stay away from Schulze, IMHO. And also the Plettenberg motors are overrated, for this money you can get a real high-end motor.

virusss 11.04.2005 06:40 AM

thanks for your reply my budget is 600 $ I have also acquired the kit of conversion, I would want to use 2 packages lipo from 7.4 volt 8000 mh

nbcaznmaster 11.04.2005 07:18 AM

dont forget a warrior 9920!

virusss 11.04.2005 07:20 AM

yes thanks,therefore who advises setup a much powerful one to me to use with 14 cells?

harald-hans 11.04.2005 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by Dafni
Hi Ettore. Welcome to the forum!

There are plenty of choices for motor and controller. Depends on how much money you want to spend.

Stay away from Schulze, IMHO. And also the Plettenberg motors are overrated, for this money you can get a real high-end motor.

Stay away from Schulze - why ???

For this money you can get a real high-end motor - for example ???

Greetings, harald-hans

nbcaznmaster 11.04.2005 07:45 AM

well, schulze has a reputation for getting burnt up because of "LOOSE CONTACT" that never occur. I wouldnt go for pletten, i would go for that new motor...shoot! i forgot which one it is... is it the 19 lehner sereis? The big new ones taht pump out enough toruque to eat any transmission

harald-hans 11.04.2005 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by nbcaznmaster
well, schulze has a reputation for getting burnt up because of "LOOSE CONTACT" that never occur. I wouldnt go for pletten, i would go for that new motor...shoot! i forgot which one it is... is it the 19 lehner sereis? The big new ones taht pump out enough toruque to eat any transmission
I have the 1940/8 Hi-Amp-Version from Lehner (with the BK 20120 controller) also and at least there is no difference in price - if there is any technical difference - I will see that when booth trucks are ready to run - good possibility for me to compare.

Greetings, harald-hans

Dafni 11.04.2005 07:51 AM

High end motors = segmented magnets (for partial-throttle capability)
Such as the Lehner 19 or 22 series.

Solid magnet motors, even if they are 4-polers, have a narrow efficiency range. Generally at full throttle. (i.e. at partial throttle they get hot) Motors with segmented magnets have a wide range of high efficiency.

If you don't mind spending 600 bucks just for a motor/ESC combo, I would say get a 120amp Warrior and a Lehner 1950.
If you want good power for less money, I would suggest a 99amp warrior and a Feigao (or Wanderer) XL.

Stay away from Schulze - Why? Have you seen Serums Hall of Shame?? They have a nasty tendency to burn up without apparent reason, and are backed by poor customer support.
Also, this delay before they go into reverse is something I don't really like in such an expensive ESC.

To each his own, Harald, this is just my opinion. Altough many members here agree on this. Schulze/Pett combos get glorified in german forums, for no reason at all. Even a cheap Feigao 7XL has more WOT efficiency than the Bigmaxx.

Don't want to stirr up anything. Ask Serum if you want a second opinion.

Cheers
DAF

harald-hans 11.04.2005 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dafni
High end motors = segmented magnets (for partial-throttle capability)
Such as the Lehner 19 or 22 series.

Solid magnet motors, even if they are 4-polers, have a narrow efficiency range. Generally at full throttle. (i.e. at partial throttle they get hot) Motors with segmented magnets have a wide range of high efficiency.

If you don't mind spending 600 bucks just for a motor/ESC combo, I would say get a 120amp Warrior and a Lehner 1950.
If you want good power for less money, I would suggest a 99amp warrior and a Feigao (or Wanderer) XL.

Stay away from Schulze - Why? Have you seen Serums Hall of Shame?? They have a nasty tendency to burn up without apparent reason, and are backed by poor customer support.
Also, this delay before they go into reverse is something I don't really like in such an expensive ESC.

To each his own, Harald, this is just my opinion. Altough many members here agree on this. Schulze/Pett combos get glorified in german forums, for no reason at all. Even a cheap Feigao 7XL has more WOT efficiency than the Bigmaxx.

Don't want to stirr up anything. Ask Serum if you want a second opinion.

Cheers
DAF

No problem for me - just want know for my personal evaluation - maybe you are right - I will post my experience as soon as possible - and believe me - if the Schulze get burned down in such a way you described I will burn THEM DOWN here in Germany :M: :M: :M:

Greetings, harald-hans

Dafni 11.04.2005 08:02 AM

All the power to you harald! Let us know how you like it. I wish you the best of luck.

I didn't meant to be rude or anything. And I also don't wanted to say this is better than that. Just wanted to share my opinion.

And there's a general opinion around here, from experienced users. Just wanted to point this out to our new italian friend.

Peace, maties

DAF

virusss 11.04.2005 08:13 AM

it could go well like motor Feigao 540 10L, and regolator warrior 9920+ 2 packages lipo 7,4 v 8000 mh? Which speed I could obtain? Autonomy? the bec it works with 2 packages lipo from 7.4 v whit this regulator? Thanks thousands:)

virusss 11.04.2005 08:17 AM

I have seen as the warrior controller is out of stock,this one is ok?
20120 Brushless Car Controller
Thanks at all

Dafni 11.04.2005 08:24 AM

The 99amp Warrior should be back in stock pretty soon.

For your application, I would suggest the Feigao 7XL instead of the 10L.

Don't forget an UBEC.

You should be able to get around 40mph.

virusss 11.04.2005 08:26 AM

ubec is indispensable? controller a not integral bec?
Thanks Ettore

harald-hans 11.04.2005 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by virusss
ubec is indispensable? controller a not integral bec?
Thanks Ettore

Not all controllers have an integrated BEC (for example the "Schulze) - some have one but you can switch it also out as an option (I think the 20120 can do that) - but the UBEC from the "RC-Monster-Shop" is a really MUST for a good build Brushless truck - in my opinion !

Greetings, harald-hans

Serum 11.04.2005 12:06 PM

Okay, to eliminate a few statements.

The 1940 is to be compared with the maxximum, the 2240 is the right one to compare with the BIGmaxx..

Halald.. If you want to burn them down if your controller smokes..

@harald...
Start buying matches...

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And schulze was in a real good mood here..
He replaced this one.. WHAT a company.. THey make me laugh..

Sneeck 11.04.2005 01:48 PM

I've seen most of 'em but no2 shocked me. Even with a fan it is able to self destruct. Good work there schulze.

coolhandcountry 11.04.2005 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by Sneeck
I've seen most of 'em but no2 shocked me. Even with a fan it is able to self destruct. Good work there schulze.
:L: :L: :L: :eek: I run the schulze controller. I kind of dislike the 4 sec delay in back up. I hope you the best there harald. The 4 pole big maximum is harder on the controllers than 2 pole. I think I would buy the lehner over the big maximum. JMO I run a 9xl on my truck. I had a 7xl on my truck both was nemisis motors(just like feigao).

@ serum I thought It would be closer comparsion between the lehner 1950 7t and the big maximum. I don't think the big maximum would stand a 2240.

Dafni 11.04.2005 03:12 PM

A Lehner 22 would blow a Bigmaxx!

Proof is in the pudding, eh? A picture says a thousand words...man, I can almost smell them.

Serum 11.04.2005 03:36 PM

No coolhand.. I personally think that the 2240 is the best to compare with the bigmaxx, It's about the same weight. Like Daniels says, overrated.. :p

coolhandcountry 11.04.2005 03:44 PM

the 2240 is the same weight as the big maximum. I would rather have the lehner. about same money as well.

nbcaznmaster 11.04.2005 03:58 PM

lol, my personal favorite is no5!

Serum 11.04.2005 04:00 PM

Yeah coolhand!! me too!!

virusss 11.04.2005 04:30 PM

wow the shulze it has been melted, i have a u-force 75 on my truck 1/10 I hope does not succeed the same one,then, with 12/14 cell, take a warrior 9920+ a feigao 7xl with pinion 15? It serves ubec with this regolator and this number of cells? Thanks thousand boys

Dafni 11.04.2005 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Dafni
Solid magnet motors, even if they are 4-polers, have a narrow efficiency range. Generally at full throttle.
DAF


What a way of putting it! Sorry guys. I wanted to say the high efficiency values you read/hear for non-semented magnet motors only apply near WOT. At partial throttle, the efficiency is much lower.

This is not a terribly bad thing, as the motors and controllers nowadays are very efficient systems anyway.

coolhandcountry 11.04.2005 05:47 PM

So the segemented magnets supposed to kickbutt. Is that what it comes down to. I have to get me a lehner 19 22 or 30 series to find this out. where is the aznmaster when you need him. He can find a used one cheap.

Dafni 11.04.2005 05:50 PM

The 1930 has a sliced magnet, too ;) wink at leroy

nbcaznmaster 11.04.2005 06:08 PM

hey! i cant find a cheap one formyself!! Do u think i'll be able to find one for u?


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