Yet another battery question!
 

So I am wondering how the hyperion Swift 4000mah lipo is? at only $60 thats a great price and with it being in stick pack form I could use it in my TL-01, which I really want to put a lipo into and get rid of Nimh for good. I was thinking of buying a few of them. Atleast two or three. Using them in the TL01, VXL stampede, MM dark impact, Reedy4.0 in a yokomo and probably running them as 4s in my Revo as well. ESC in it for now is a MM and its using a Mega ACn 22/30/1 geared for only about 37mph on 4s lipo. Can these batts hold up? Rated for only 80A, but its only a 80A max motor so I feel like I wont be pulling that high amps but I could be very wrong... Any help would be much appreciated. What are some other batteries that could be used in both a revo and a tl01 if any? Thanks

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I'm using 2 of the Swift packs in my maxx. They are as punchy as my FP Evo25 4900's, or even punchier- is that a word... They are not true hardcase- but they are very well protected and I will be getting more of them.

Wow they are as punchy as your FP Evo25s? That says something... How long have you been running them and what is your motor/esc setup that you use them with? So they should be plenty of power for my revo? Its a little heavy since I have a lot of aluminum right now but most of it will be gone soon so it should lighten it up a good amount. I am using a clutch and two speed tranny so I feel like that will help drop Amp draw

Yeah they should do fine- my Maxx is 14.5 pounds...

I don't have enough runs on them to give you a runtime, but I am estimating 20-25 min with my MM/9XL setup.

They charge very fast at 6 amps on my Duo, so 2-3 sets will keep me going all day nonstop. :yes:

Im not too worried about runtimes... 4000mAh should be good for rouchly 15-20 minutes bashing and thats plenty enough. When I ran a MA5000 3s pack I could get that long if not a little longer and I was sucking it hard from that pack so im sure taking some stress off the packs will help a lot. Plus at only $60 a piece I can get 4 for the same price as 2 "high end" packs. But if these perform as well then I am basically sold on them

I also just found a place that has SMC 4100 24c packs for $55 and the SMC 5200 24c packs for $70... Should I spend the extra $20 to get the SMC packs? Plus a few $ to get a balancer plug? I have a hyperion EOS charger and LBA10 balancer so I know the hyperion packs will work with it. I will need an adapter for the SMCs I think...

Hyperion make great lipos, most if not all are enerland cells in the packs.

I like this pack cause I was running orion hardcase 3200 lipos in my m03 and the 3.5 novak was pulling that pack hard. I will have to try it with this hyperion pack and see if I can get a few more mph out of it!

So the only adapter I found that would let me use my blancer with the SMC packs was $7... I would end up spending more on the SMC packs and the balance adapter than I would on these packs. I think I will be getting some of these. Hopefully they will stand up to the demands I'll be throwing at them.

What size wires do they have? 12awg? 14awg?

Wires are 12 gauge, nice flexible high strand count- and they seem to need it. I had a chance to run them again today and they are absolutely stronger than my Evos, those have maybe 30 cycles, so maybe they're just getting weaker but I don't think so. Very impressed with the Swifts, they seem to be significantly underrated next to even my Evo 25s- they get my full endorsement.

To say that this battery is as powerful as a ~$130 battery is saying a lot! Especially considering that the EVO25 is rated for close to 125A.

Looking on RCM... The Hyperion Swift RC Car Series hardcase version is rated for 27c... You think that maybe these are the same cells? Has the same name only one is true hardcase and the one I listed earlier isnt?

I thought the same thing myself, the weight difference between the black pack and the blue pack is 15 grams- it does seem possible they are indeed the same cells. I noticed not only more punch- but more speed as well- the Swifts hold voltage better than my Evos without a doubt. They may have a shorter fuse but it doesn't matter to me.....

15 grams could easily be made up of the true hard case. So I think I am sold on these packs

I ordered the batteries yesterday. Hopefully will have them by next weekend and will try to write a short review on them. Will be using them in a converted Revo running MM with Mega ACn22/30/1. 14/40 gearing and close ratio with two speed still active. Should be good for about 40mph. Will let y'all know how they do!

Any opinion yet?

I have about 12 runs with the Swifts and they are PHENOMENAL. I wish they had these last spring when my noob @ss bought MaxTrash packs- and the $ I spent on my FPs would have bought 4 of these and combined, saved me around $300...... ahh that's rc tho!

The Hyperions are worth twice the money IMO- they will stand my 14 pound Maxx up right until cutoff- there is almost NO drop it seems.

I'm looking to sell my Evo25 packs to get more of the Swift packs- they are that good!

No report yet... I ordered them through my LHS (Sorry Mike but I try to support them whenever I can). It has been over two weeks and still no reply. I called them the middle of last week and they said it was still on order so I dont think they had even ordered them yet which is very strange for them... I am calling tomorrow and if they havent ordered them yet I am canceling it and ordering through RCM. I want them so bad! My Revo is yelling at me right now! It hasnt been run in forever it seems like.

FINALLY! I waited forever on my LHS but ended up telling them F you and ordered through mike. Got my batts today and ordered them Tuesday night. Only 4 days. Really fast. And now onto the batteries themselves. My first impression was great. They are built nicely and have nice fat wires coming out of the front. With their 6 cell nimh style wrapping they fit perfectly into all of my cars including my TL-01(old tamiya which can only take 6 cell style packs). I was very happy with that. The blue batteries also look great on my very blue Revo. They came perfectly balanced as well. After finally soldering on some plugs and wiring everything up on my Revo I took it out into the yard. Man was it fast. Much better than 3s. With my two speed still working, it would pull wheelies when it shifted gears. Unfortunately after only a few minutes (not even 5...) I had a stripped spur gear. Probably my fault because I knew it had some bad teeth and was going to go soon. I put one into my Yokomo TC after that and these are tremendously faster compared to my DTX 4200 nimh packs. Very very noticable difference. They also stayed perfectly balanced which might change after a few cycles but after one cycle I was extremely impressed. Hopefully will be getting a new spur gear soon and will let y'all know how it goes then.

*Maybe not, these packs are totally underrated, as I said earlier they blow my FP 4900s out of the water. I have had some drivetrain issues I never expected because of the Swifts. They say 20C, I say more like 30-35C.

These packs have no mercy:surprised: and continue to impress me way beyond their price point!

I suppose the money saved on these packs may be made up for in repair parts cost..... but I am NOT complaining!

The new generation of "cheap" lipos are mindblowing- let the devastation begin hehe.

Well I believe that. In my Yokomo, these packs were incredibly fast compared to my Nimh packs. I was utterly impressed with these packs and will likely order some more. Two for my revo and two more for my other cars. But my revo was a little torn up in the drivetrain. The slipper plate was cracked and the pads a little worn out and a few teeth missing from the spur. So that deffinitly increased the likelyhood of stripping gears and all. I am going up to the dreaded LHS tomorrow to pick up new pads, plate, and spur.

"incredibly fast compared to my Nimh packs"

They must be. And you can feel good about not having spent tons on garbage overpriced lipos to begin with.

Forgot to mention I have been charging the Swifts at 2C (8 amps) and had no issues at all, they do maintain perfect balance at over 25 cycles and performance is actually improving with each run. Which is scary.

What part will blow out next?

My charger isn't capable of 8A charging so I will just stick with 4A. It doesn't take too long to charge so its not a big issue. I forgot to mention as well that both of my packs together weigh less than one of my DTX packs. I knew lipo was lighter but the fact that two are less than one suprised me.

You picked a great time to do the lipo changeover, I know these packs, as good as they are will look weak in a year with the advances in lipos. For now they are as good as it gets for anything that uses the classic 6 cell configuration. That makes them priceless as far as I am concerned!

1C is perfectly adequate Revracer, just wanted people to know they are very capable of 2C charge rates.

I used a maxamps for well over a year and have used venoms and SMC before(friends who had them). These packs are far superior to maxamps and venom packs IMO. These may be old and weak in a year but by the time something substantially better than these come out I will have gotten many runs out of these and will deffinitly have gotten my moneys worth. Just like trucks... They advance constantly, but you make sure you get your moneys worth before you get something "better".

Aright SO I have about 5 runs or so in my revo. After finally tuning and everything this thingis amazing and these batteries are incredible! My current setup is Mega ACn22/30/1(yes thats a 3500kv motor) and a Mamba Max ESC with twin 4000 Hyperion CLASSIC packs. I am running a 14/40 gearing with close ratio and two speed still engaged. The truck is insane. At a little over half throttle, when it changes gears the truck does a wheelie. I dont have exact temps but can say after a few high speed runs and bashing after a full battery, nothing is too hot. Motor and ESC can be touche for about 4-6 seconds and the batteries are barely warm to the touch. Damage report... Went through my first spur and melted a slipper, stripped out two wheels and the hexes. The truck is faster than it has ever been and has what seems like endless torque. And like many people say. Your system is only as good as your batts. So these must be some damn good batts...

Over 30 cycles on mine and they still throw my 14 1/2 pounder around like a dirty diaper.

Glad you are having similar experience!

BUY THESE PACKS!!!!

I am deffinitly having a good experience with these packs. Worth every penny and then some! I highly recomend these to anyone who is searching for new packs. By far the best batteries I've ever driven. Have you noticed heat issues with your ESC though? I ran DTX 4200 packs a couple of times in the truck and never had heat issues. My Mamba Max thermalled today though. It kind of suprised me.

Also have balance charged each pack each time(I just leave my balancer pluged into my charger all the time. That isnt bad for them is it?) But anyway, the balancer has done nothing so far. Packs have stayed perfectly balanced.

Rev I'm having trouble with PM, in answer to your question, yes I believe these packs will deliver substantially more than they are rated for. 40-45 mph should be no problem in bursts. You will suck 'em down faster of course. I have run mine (have 2 pair) as hard as I ever will and they get lukewarm. There isn't even a warm up like my FP Evo25's had, they ended over 120 degrees alot- but have sold those because I was so impressed with the Swift Classics.

"I ran DTX 4200 packs a couple of times in the truck and never had heat issues. My Mamba Max thermalled today though. It kind of suprised me."

Your limitation was your batteries before, now it will be your MM. A Medusa 70 or 80 or similar motor may put you into MMM territory, but yes the batteries are capable I have no doubt.

I still am running one, in a HEAVY rig (with a fan) and I actually have no plans to get a MMM, even though I am pushing the MM close to the limit. I had planned on a MMM but got caught in the waiting game last summer and went with the MM and have no regrets. Actually love it cuz it's smaller.

" I just leave my balancer pluged into my charger all the time. That isnt bad for them is it?"

I think that's common, but I've only owned a balance charger so someone else might wanna chime in.

It suprises me though because my motor is only rated to pull 70A... I installed a fan and now its much cooler. Didnt thermal this time... But then again I didnt run as long because of my snapped motor shaft...