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sikeston34m 02.24.2009 12:51 AM

Upcoming Castle Outrunner Motors
 
Could one of you Castle Guys please post the specs on the new upcoming line of Castle Outrunner motors?

There are some of us outrunner guys around here too ya know? :intello:

Thanks

sikeston34m 02.24.2009 01:09 AM

Aren't they pretty? :yes:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...utrunners2.jpg

hemiblas 02.24.2009 02:06 AM

They look pretty serious.

MetalMan 02.24.2009 02:48 AM

MetalMan definitely wants to try one out.

What's_nitro? 02.24.2009 03:44 AM

What's_nitro? does, too. (I love talking about myself in the third person) :mdr: Is that a 34-50-1100 over there? My Berg2.2 would LOVE a couple of those!

Andrew32 02.26.2009 02:49 AM

those look insane.......:gasp:

rotary rocket 02.27.2009 03:31 PM

What would be a good application for these motors?

hemiblas 02.27.2009 08:24 PM

I know my park flyer uses one that looks similar to this. I'm sure there are some good airplane applications. Direct drive for props so you dont need any gears to crunch under all that brushless power. I'm sure you could use one in a truck application that is direct drive also (no tranny). Lots of cool stuff.

Metallover 02.27.2009 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by What's_nitro? (Post 264570)
What's_nitro? does, too. (I love talking about myself in the third person) :mdr: Is that a 34-50-1100 over there? My Berg2.2 would LOVE a couple of those!

Thats about the motor I would like to see. If it can outperform my hobbycity motor in my crt .5 these might be worth looking into.

Pdelcast 02.28.2009 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew32 (Post 265131)
those look insane.......:gasp:

wait til you see the 90mm outrunners....

34mm diameter motors shown in the picture above, we are also doing 22mm, 30mm, 40mm, 50mm, and 90mm.

And they significantly out perform other outrunners on the market today.

Great stuff coming....

Metallover 02.28.2009 02:01 AM

Can you give a price range? Specifically for the 34mm diameter 1100kv motor?

What's_nitro? 02.28.2009 02:03 AM

Care to declassify any other specs? :whistle: Power handling, lamination thickness, magnet grade, etc. ??

Semi Pro 02.28.2009 03:20 AM

im sure if we use them in a buggy or car they will void the warrenty just like if we use the hv110

sikeston34m 02.28.2009 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 265641)
wait til you see the 90mm outrunners....

34mm diameter motors shown in the picture above, we are also doing 22mm, 30mm, 40mm, 50mm, and 90mm.

And they significantly out perform other outrunners on the market today.

Great stuff coming....

So the 22mm and the 34mm dimensions in the picture refer to the length of the stator/magnets? correct?

Do these have 25mm spacing on the mounting bolts just like a standard 550 mount?

What size motor shaft?

phatmonk 02.28.2009 10:16 AM

Will 1 of these work in a SC8E?

Pdelcast 03.02.2009 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by What's_nitro? (Post 265644)
Care to declassify any other specs? :whistle: Power handling, lamination thickness, magnet grade, etc. ??

Similar to all Castle motors -- .20mm laminations, M19 grade or better, magnet grades will vary depending on application, but we will use the best quality magnets available, Power handling better than any other outrunners that are similar in size (we were pushing some 30mm motors above 1000 watts burst this weekend...)

What's_nitro? 03.02.2009 08:32 PM

Sweet. Thanks!

Metallover 03.02.2009 09:01 PM

Do you have any specific dates for the release of these motors? Any chance of them coming out this month?

himalaya 03.03.2009 03:18 AM

So these outrunners are designed for air applications? any possibility or advantage to use them in surface models?

Carraig042 03.03.2009 03:45 PM

Those things look sweet! Castle sure is staying busy!

-Brett

Metallover 03.03.2009 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by himalaya (Post 266486)
So these outrunners are designed for air applications? any possibility or advantage to use them in surface models?

These can be used anywhere. You can search direct drive outrunner setups and find some good ones. I have an outrunner in my crt .5.

Pdelcast 03.04.2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by himalaya (Post 266486)
So these outrunners are designed for air applications? any possibility or advantage to use them in surface models?

Well, the issue with using an outrunner in surface applications is that the motors are very open -- easy to get sand, dirt, metal shavings, etc. into the motor. If you are using them in an application where it is a relatively "clean" application, you can use an outrunner. Otherwise, it's best to use an inrunner, which is much more sealed to the environment.

Metallover 03.04.2009 08:09 PM

I would guess if you put some screen or mesh of some sort over all the holes then that should protect the motor enough. I don't have any cover on mine and I don't plan on putting any cover on. With the motor spinning the rock would have a tough time getting in there. Besides, if the motor does get ruined, it would be an excuse to get a castle outrunner. I would definately put mesh on that. I doubt warrenty would cover that.

Pdelcast 03.04.2009 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Metallover (Post 266946)
Besides, if the motor does get ruined, it would be an excuse to get a castle outrunner.

Like you really need an excuse. :lol:

sikeston34m 03.04.2009 08:24 PM

Do these motors have a 5mm shaft and 25mm bolt spacing?

I've ran alot of different "land vehicle" outrunner setups and I've never had a motor fail because of debris.

With the E maxx and the E Revo, the motor sits toward the front of the platform and in the middle. It seems to be pretty protected there from UFO's.

I can see how some setups would be more at risk. Such as being low, in the back and center. That's like dirt central.

Pdelcast 03.04.2009 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sikeston34m (Post 266953)
Do these motors have a 5mm shaft and 25mm bolt spacing?

I've ran alot of different "land vehicle" outrunner setups and I've never had a motor fail because of debris.

With the E maxx and the E Revo, the motor sits toward the front of the platform and in the middle. It seems to be pretty protected there from UFO's.

I can see how some setups would be more at risk. Such as being low, in the back and center. That's like dirt central.

The 30mm and 34mm motors do have 5mm shaft and 25mm bolt spacing. The larger motors have 6mm or 8mm shafts, and the smaller motors (22mm) have 3.2mm shaft.

One of the issues with outrunners is that the magnets are hanging way out -- they tend to collect stuff we would never think they would pick up... there are literally billions of little iron filings in streets and alleys everywhere (shed from cars...)

MetalMan 03.04.2009 08:38 PM

Hoping the pricing will be less than Axi.

lincpimp 03.04.2009 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MetalMan (Post 266959)
Hoping the pricing will be less than Axi.

I have a feeling that CC will target the axi for peformance, and most likely price their lower than axi. I have to say that axi motors have always impressed me.

Hey Patrick... Any chance of a crawler specific outrunner, 1/8 shaft, 25mm spacing, 2822-26 specs and 1100kv? Maybe with a sensor wire and a special esc? (man, I am askin way too much, huh!)

Metallover 03.04.2009 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetalMan (Post 266959)
Hoping the pricing will be less than Axi.

I hope it is well under 100 dollars... the motor I have now costs 30 bucks so anything over 50 will seem expensive.:lol:

Here is a picture of my crt .5. It would look great with a nice looking CC outrunner in it, wouldn't it? I need about the same specs as linc's... I don't know the stator measurements, but ~1100kv, 25mm spacing, ~36mm OD, and a 5mm shaft. Is that around 2822-26?

http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p...1/S7301629.jpg

himalaya 03.05.2009 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metallover (Post 266946)
I don't have any cover on mine and I don't plan on putting any cover on. With the motor spinning the rock would have a tough time getting in there. Besides, if the motor does get ruined, it would be an excuse to get a castle outrunner. I would definately put mesh on that. I doubt warrenty would cover that.

That's why your outrunner still survives, I toasted mine(Align 600L) in my 8ight-T after I covered all the vent holes to keep the inside clean. Outrunners' coil seems having really hard time getting heat out.--- they fit open air use only.

Metallover 03.05.2009 08:37 AM

I think a fan attachment like the the new Medisa motors are coming out with would be a good addition to any outrunner. I'd sure get one. I think some axi motors come with a fan on them?

SunnyHouTX 03.05.2009 10:25 AM

How much voltage can you run through outrunners in general? Can you stick 10S on a ~800Kv outrunner? This is all new stuff for me.

MetalMan 03.05.2009 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunnyHouTX (Post 267116)
How much voltage can you run through outrunners in general? Can you stick 10S on a ~800Kv outrunner? This is all new stuff for me.

The max RPM will greatly depend on the diameter of the motor. However, many 800kv motors won't be able to cope with more than probably 6s.

SunnyHouTX 03.05.2009 01:14 PM

Wow. Thanks MetalMan. Looks like I will be staying with inrunners then.

Sammus 03.05.2009 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metallover (Post 267092)
I think a fan attachment like the the new Medisa motors are coming out with would be a good addition to any outrunner. I'd sure get one. I think some axi motors come with a fan on them?

you buy the fans separately, I'm not sure if any come with them. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...SM&C=GHZ&V=AXS

What's_nitro? 03.05.2009 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunnyHouTX (Post 267160)
Wow. Thanks MetalMan. Looks like I will be staying with inrunners then.

If you can provide the proper gearing, the outrunner motors will provide the torque.

sikeston34m 03.05.2009 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sammus (Post 267283)
you buy the fans separately, I'm not sure if any come with them. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...SM&C=GHZ&V=AXS

Those fans are designed for AXI outrunner motors.

They won't fit Castle motors.

sikeston34m 03.05.2009 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by What's_nitro? (Post 267311)
If you can provide the proper gearing, the outrunner motors will provide the torque.

Yes! Very True! :yes::intello:

For Example:

Notice BIG GEARS

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...m/DSC06739.jpg

Now Watch it go

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t..._Produce_2.jpg

This is an E maxx powered by an AXI 2826/8 outrunner motor using 22/40 Mod 1 gearing. Not every motor can pull gearing like this and run cool.

It's not huge on top end but it's fun and efficient. This makes for longer run times. Great Mild Setup. Very Dependable.

The stator size is 28mm in diameter X 26mm long. Stator Size has a huge impact on overall performance. I'm thinking Castle did their homework on this one. :yes:

Metallover 03.05.2009 11:38 PM

You know what would be great? I'd like to see an adapter that would let you use a spur gear as your pinion gear. Look at the picture above. Drill out a couple holes in that pinion and then you could screw the spur onto it.

Anyone think this would be a useful item?

What's_nitro? 03.05.2009 11:41 PM

That's a good idea. It would be cheaper than buying a few 26+ teeth steel pinions.


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