Speed Passion VS Mamba Monster
 

what system is better for 8th scale conversion for power and speed.

monster mamba by a mile!:whistle:

Mamba Monster and here is why.

The Speed Passion is the same version of the Hobbywing Mike now sells and Speed Passion wants something liek $169 for thier version which is exactly the same, but has some funny looking aluminum crap around it plus it is only for 4S lipos. Now the Mamba Monster handles 6S lipos and is made in the US that is why not only Castle, but Tekin has the upper hand.

I agree with Lutach. If your looking to compare ESC's compare the Hobbywing 150A 6S controller vs the MMM. Now that would be a good comparison. I have both here and truth be known the HW150A looks to be a bad sucker....though a little larger then the MMM.

Much like MS Windows on the PC, Castle has the mainstream ESC market by the throat.
However, this isn't due to mindless monopoly, it's because Castle simply do the best job and make the best gear.

While it could be argued that other ESC's might have more current handling, or quicker response or whatever but it cannot be disputed that the whole Castle package is overwhelmingly superior. From the PC hookup [out the box] thru support and to availability, Castle ARE the masters right now.

It's interesting to see other ESC's come out now and then but for the most part they are a poor second to the real thing. I read these new reviews and then look over fondly at the MMM's sitting in my fleet with a warm fuzzy feeling.

Do I want to save a few bucks but have something I have to return to Hong Kong for [possible] repair, or have to use some gimpy programming card or, God forbid, go back to the dark ages and program with the transmitter - or do i want to pay the price and get a device which works, is PC programmable withough spending extra dough and be able to send it back to base for repair............. hmmmmmm..........

+1 on comments from Marcus

I got into a debate on another forum regarding the Speed Passion 1/8 system. The supporting arugument was that 4s is "the standard" now. Also, "why would anyone want to run 6s anyway?" was another comeback. So for 6s capability : Advantage Castle

Obviously we all want reliability in an electric conversion first and foremost. Higher voltage setups allow for lower current draw for the same given power output (ie. more efficient).

After reaping gobs of power from brushless/lipo at will, I think the second matter of importance is the ability to control this power and put it to good use. Castle offers this ability with the Castle Link. Speed Passion is supposed to run in Hybrid-Mode, where it starts out as a sensored system and can change to sensorless.. If that's the case, then it will be interesting to see how this works out. I'll be easy and call this EVEN, giving Speed Passion the benefit of the doubt with this hybrid mode thing.

Lastly, with any system there's a chance of failure or heaven forbid.. abuse. That's where customer support comes in. I haven't worked with anyone from Speed Passion yet, but regardless all they can ever do is match Castle in this category. Hands down, CC has the best customer service I've seen out there. Advantage: Castle

Price would be a bonus point I guess.. We all want to save a few bucks. And the MMM can be had for a bit less than Speed Passion at this point. So.. bonus:Castle

And the speed passion motors are the same size, same kv per wind as novak motors. Go figure.

i have the speed passion at the moment for testing with the 2100kv sensored motor... i'll provide some feedback in due course...

BUT i do think that it does have some pros over the mmm and would be suitable for certain 1.8 conversions.

ps i'm a castle fan - 5mmm combos, 6mm at last count...

so whats the verdict?

Sounds like you were arguing with Jason from maxamps...

Wow, Do you guys work for Castle or what?
Has anyone here actually owned or run the Speed Passion Esc? If not, then your opinion doesn't hold much water...

I've owned MANY ESC's including the Novak HV, MMM and the Speed Passion ESC's.

The Speed Passion is my favorite so far. This Esc is provided by a US distributor so you do NOT have to send it to China for repairs. It comes with a hand held program module with LCD display and can be programed and updated via the PC just like the MMM or the RX8. The SP Esc handles 4S like nobodies business and will run sensored OR sensorless motors.

My 2 cents... the Speed Passion Esc has more features than any other Esc on the market today so it's the best bang for your buck for 4S racing.

The best bang for your buck would be the manufacturers version, the Hobbywing 80A 4S, so basically you just wasted some $$$, but it's your money. The 150A 6S version is another option and it still is cheaper then the Speed Passion branded 4S only ESC. The RX8, MMM and the Hobbywing 150A 6S will also handle 4S lipos. Now the repair thing, even though Speed Pasion is distributed in the US and like you said the ESC doesn't need to be sent to China by the consumer, but all the defective ESC still goes back to China for repair or replacement.

Let's compare apples to apples. The 80A "Manufacturers version" doesn't have the same specs as the SP Esc and it doesn't come with the LCD programer. I'd rather spend some extra money and not have to deal with sending repairs to China and I "feel" better knowing I'm dealing with a US dealer who will take care of warranties. With that said, the SP Esc is a better bang for your buck in my book. If you want to roll the dice and deal with China, bye all means have at it.

starscream: Can you describe what you saw performance wise that was different between the Speedpassion ESC and the Castle MMM . I would like to also know anything you have seen as a comparison between the two like durability, etc. as well as how similar the speedpassion 2200Kv motor performs compared to the Castle 2200Kv?

No wonder Schumacher can charge what they do, they have people like you baking them up. Man get your facts straight. Schumacher will eventually send the ESCs to China anyways. I can have Hobbywing make my own ESC too and over rate them a little to have people like you fall for it.

Is it true that the MMM is around 5mph slower than the HW150A esc on the same setup?

Anyway to fix it?

Up the timing?

As far as speed controls go, the MMM can handle 6s lipo so that makes it a better esc for MT and truggy. If you only plan to run 4s the Sp may have some advantages, but not enough to account for the fact it cannot handle higher voltage. Kind of a one trick pony IMO... I do not race so I guess I may be a bit biased on equipment usage. The MMM is more versatile, and looks to be a bit smaller too.

The SP ESC is a big sucker no doubt about that.

I guess I am having trouble justifying a $100 price increase over my Castle system to go with a tekin setup (since it doesn't include the hotwire).

It's obvious you don't know who you're talking to but in any case berating someone isn't going to change their mind. There are thousands of companies that sell items that are licensed and re-badged as their own product.
Why not take it a step further and forgoe RCM and all other retailers and just buy straight from the manufacturer. Hell, if it were up to guys like you, there would be no RCM or other popular retailers out there.

If it were up to me, I'd run 8S but the MMM won't handle it.
4S is a must for racing, basically forced on us by lame rules but a rule none the less. The MMM does not run sensors so it could also be considered a one trick pony.

I've only run the Novak HV 7.5 motor with the SP Esc and its so smooth you could rock crawl with it. Try rock crawling with the MMM, not gonna work too well.
The SP has proved to be very durable thus far. The aluminum case wraps around the esc and can be mounted to your chassis. You could remove the aluminum case altogether if you want but I prefer to have the protection and mounting options. The SP Esc comes with a standard fan so its easy to replace if needed. Need to replace the hobbywing fan?... you'll most likely have to get a replacement straight from China.

The SP Esc runs very cool and has gobs of power available. It is just as programmable as the MMM and the hand held programmer is just frosting on the cake. The ability to run sensored motors and the dual mode feature was really the selling point for me. If you want to race a sensored 4S motor, this ESC will do the trick.

So let me guess, were you the one who helped Hobbywing with their products, no. Speed Passion is only a distributor who placed the 2000pcs. minimum order to get it branded and Schumacher instead of going straight to the source, they probably signed a deal with Speed Passion and now they have to charge more for the same product to justify a good profit. Guys like me are doing good things for this hobby and more will come. I'm sure when I get my new ESC done, I'll show it to Mike and see if he wants he own RCM ESC. If you like to spend more on a re-badged product, go for it.

So, please tell me all who am I talking to? What have you done for this hobby that makes you so special. To me you're just another guy who wasted money by following the lies the Shawn Palmer brought to a good company. You should've seen how he started making false specs on the Speed Passion (Hobbywing) stuff after I stepped in. So until Speed Passion comes out with the 6S 150A version then you can compare it with the Mamba Monster, but if the 4S 80A version is priced the way it is, then the 6S will be like $300 and I hope you get one so we can have a good laugh.

:whistle:Who am I, well I'm starscream... obviously
Sorry to hear you have personal reasons to hate on the SP ESC but I suggest you think about showing more respect for others. Your berating and rants just make you look bad.
Maybe thats why your ESC endeavors haven't panned out like you've planned.
Just a thought :whistle:

So seriously, tell us who you are. I know lutach, his real name is Luciano and he is from Brasil originally.

Lincpimp is James and he is from the UK originally.

My name is Brian and am from Texas.

I could go on further but you get the point. Lutach has been very forthcoming about who he is and where he stands. Shouldn't you do the same? It's obvious you have some kind of iron in this fire, so why not just by forthcoming and not hide behind the internet.

Unlike other places, I like to make sure what I bring to the market will be at it's best performance, so I take my time and don't rush into things like other places do. I have nothing against SP, but I don't like what Shawn (Maybe it's Schumacher, so who knows) is doing by making false specs just to make it look like it's better when it's the same exact product.

I help Luciano test out his prototypes in the field. It aint easy doing R&D, supplying parts, and market your product all by yourself. But Luciano is doing it.

BTW, I'm Romano and originally from Suriname.

I run a 2.2 crawler with an outrunner and a sidewinder, plus a 6x6 1.9 rig with an axi and a MM. Both use the same firmware as the MMM and both perform so well that I have witnessed 3 people ditch their brushed motors to go to brushless. I also have a few novak sensored setups, and they work as well, save for the lack of drag brake that the castle products offer. I doubt the SP startup can be much better, but I have not run one so I will not wave my ignorance around blindly like a dirty old man with a Benjamin in a brothel!

Just want to point out that the castle escs run all kinds of crawler motors very well, surf on over to rccrawler and see all the pros running MMs and sidewinders. I have not seen a SP esc over there yet, and those guys are not afraid to spend money...

I have watched and participated with Luciano for a year or so, and think he is quite successful considering rc is not his livelihood, and he has a beautiful young daughter to care for as a full time single parent. I can only say that I wish we had more hobbyists like Luciano trying to better the hobby... I know he may sound a bit harsh, but if you go back and read the threads on rctech? you will see why. Ole Palmer threw out some BS, Luciano called him on it, and then Palmer started backpedaling... I believe that Luciano is correct, and the HW 80 esc is basically the same thing as the SP unit. We have all seen the tests of the HW80 and it is obviously underrated a bit, and SP have bumped their specs to compete with other mfgs posted specs (not necessarily correct either). As far as having someone in the US to cover warranty and repairs that is a good thing, and possibly worth the addl cost.

How do you know my name? Are you stalking me Brian (if that is your real name?) Did you steal my lint out of the washeteria dryer? You are creepy, stop lurking around my house with that trench coat on.

Product testing is key. Always good to know what you sell.

Hey Brian,
James is the name, RC is the game.
I've been around RCM from very early on. Dafni and I posted our Revo conversions at the same time. His was better looking but mine had a lower CG :intello:

Lincpimp knows who I am and I have firsthand knowledge of why he doesn't like maxamps batteries.

I don't post here for posting sake and I don't have a personal agenda. I post information that is factually sound and hopefully helpful. I have been fortunate to be one of the first to try different setups and I have no problems reporting what I experience.

I think anyones iron will get hot if they are publically berated and shown no respect. I don't take others opinions to heart but I won't put up with anyone making personal attacks.

Luciano can say what he wants about SP Esc's or anything else RC but if he’s inclined to make it personal, he better know who he's dealing with before he spouts out some disingenuous rhetoric.

Hi, I am thinking of getting a new esc. Can u list the pros of SP escs over the MMM? I am open to all opinions because I don't own any of the escs. Thanks in advance.

I remember that! Going back a bit, at least 2 years, huh?!

Ya, that was quite a while ago. Time really flies.
I ended up buying another crt.5 and then sold it so I could get a RC10 T4 :whistle:

I really think they need a 12 step program for RC

You have a good point about crawlers. It's a must to have a good motor though. I'm sure a HV or purple feigao motor will have cogging issues.

If you are looking to use a sensored 4S motor than the SP is a good choice.

Both ESC Prices are comparable
Both ESC PC programming and updates are comparable

MMM Pro's over SP
- MMM Can handle up to 6S Lipo VS SP 4S Lipo max
- MMM has a slightly smaller footprint
- MMM has a 5AMP BEC vs SP 3AMP BEC (this won't be an issue unless you plan to run some major current drawing servo's)

SP Pro's over MMM
- SP runs both sensored & sensorless motors (Sensored in dual mode)
- SP comes with a hand held programmer that you can use anywhere without the need of hauling around a laptop
- SP On/Off switch is FAR superior to the MMM switch. The MMM power switch is notorious for switching off when the vehicle takes a hard hit. This has happened to me numerous times and I finally shoegoo'd my MMM switch to the On position. This obviously isn't a hard selling point but a small notch in the belt for the SP.

Oh BTW,
I will be getting a RX8/2050 combo as soon as I can

So I'll be able to make a comparison between all 3 ESC's soon

The 2pole feigaos will lack low end torque. I am using 8+ pole outrunners, between 800-1100kv on 3s lipo and they work very well with the castle escs. I also run a 13.5 novak motor on 2s in a "rock racer" and it has enough control and torque to make it crawler capable. I have a sp 17.5 that I would like to try, but I think the speed may be a bit low. Also have a new hacker 13.5 e40 motor, pretty!

Now I would like to see a decent sensored esc with 3s+ capability in a small footprint capable of 60-80amps cont. And some purpose built sealed can outrunners with high qual materials and a sensor too. Run them sensored only and they would be the ultimate in slow speed control and low speed torque.

Just trying to let you know the best bang for you buck, but to me it seemed like you're a SP fan. How are you liking you LCD handheld programmer? You know who gave Hobbywing the idea? You're chatting with him right now. Just to get something straight, I don't work for Castle and yes I have a Hobbywing Xerun 120A (SP GT Pro) and was the first one to test one out for Hobbywing to make sure everything was working fine. I was the first to hook it up to a Novak HV motor and run it with 4S lipos a few times in my TC3T. So best bang for your buck is the Hobbywing 80A 4S which Mike sells for less then half the price of the SP version or you can get the 150A 6S which is still cheaper. I just didn't like how you first posted here and it seemed like a personal attack on the ones who posted before.

I knew about the HW ezrun esc's before I purchased the SP. I purchased the SP because I prefer dealing with a US distributor. We can agree to disagree about the best bang for your buck here.
For me, the juries out until I get my hands on the RX8.

P.S.
Yes I like the LCD programmer very much. Thanks for asking...
People have been asking for hand held programmers a long time. It's nice to see a company finally listen to what the public wants.
It's too bad you don't work for Castle because they could use some of your insight

Now that Mike sells the HW 8th scale units, I'm sure he can do the same if the ESC(s) fails.

Now the RX8 is a nice system. I've done a modification to one of my 4 pole Sensored Aveox motor and it worked out very well when I used it with my 10th scale ESC. Good thing a company saw the benefits of a sensored 4 pole system other then Aveox which no longer involves in RC.

Hey, do you want to start a forum fight with me? :whip:

:lol: :lol: just kidding

those were the days, eh? Less smart guys around back then...

Thanks for your response. I am intending to use the esc in a monster truck.
Which esc can handle heat better? Same setup (speed, vehicle, motor, cell count... etc)different esc. Which esc will run cooler?

Wow, I think this thread got much better over night.

Glad the hostilities subsided and everyone is happy again!

I remember you too starscream, I actually was on this site when it first started under a different screen name. After the collapse I never could get the old account back.