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speedemall 03.23.2009 07:42 PM

Can someone Help me buy lipos for my first setup?
 
Okay I just finished a brushless Inferno gt running single pack configuration,MMMV3 and 2200 KV.Can you guys recommend the type of pack I should run on this setup.Someone told me to run a 20c 3s pack but this just doesn't seem like it will be enough being that I want at least 15-20 minute run times. I checked hobby city after hearing so much about the zippy's but they are all sold out. I was thinking of going with their 5000mah 3s or 4s 25c packs. All of the other brands of lipo seem overpriced everywhere else ,or am I just being cheap? lol

brushlessboy16 03.23.2009 07:52 PM

C ratings have nothing to do with runtime... WHoever told you to run 3s was an idiot... You should try 4-6s 5000mah for a 20 minute runtime(or at least close). For the price zippies are the best you can get and worth the wait if thats all you can afford.

If you have cash to burn go with anything with enerland cells. Enerland, Polyquest, flightpower, and rc-monster are all good brands.

Stay away from maxamps tho.

slimthelineman 03.23.2009 08:11 PM

fantom and smc have 40c 5200 hardcase 2 cells and a soft 4 cell version. My buddy uses the 2 cells in his slash and they have a substantial effect on the sealed endball motor. 3 cells is just lame, ive seen it in buggies and a truggy all running the novak system. its like cutting your toes off. small change, can still run, but how fast? lol run 4s AT LEAST and just gear it right for how you use it. the guy in the truggy couldnt make a 5 min race on a 3s 3200.theoreticly you get your runtime from capacity and c rating will affect "punch" and temps. higher c rating is always better, buy the best batts you can afford as you are always limited by your batts in an electric car and that 2200 will need to consume mass quantities of amps during operation.

lincpimp 03.23.2009 08:40 PM

Nimhs rule!!!

bdebde 03.23.2009 08:56 PM

For a fast on road car, I would run 6s with the MMM 2200 system. In fact I have a Ofna GTP with a CC 2200 that I am working on, actually just need to get an ESC for it and mabe some different lipos.

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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 272576)
Nimhs rule!!!

I prefer Nicads:lol:

speedemall 03.23.2009 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by brushlessboy16 (Post 272558)
C ratings have nothing to do with runtime... WHoever told you to run 3s was an idiot... You should try 4-6s 5000mah for a 20 minute runtime(or at least close). For the price zippies are the best you can get and worth the wait if thats all you can afford.

If you have cash to burn go with anything with enerland cells. Enerland, Polyquest, flightpower, and rc-monster are all good brands.

Stay away from maxamps tho.

Hahah you dont have to tell me twice I have always thought max amps was overpriced since they were first released but I never thought I'd hear about them having bad quality. I guess the saying that you get what you pay for isn't always true. C rating is voltage right? How do you think this pack would work out for me?

14.8v 4270mah 4s 18 continuous/27c burst

speedemall 03.23.2009 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 272576)
nimhs rule!!!


lmao!!

speedemall 03.23.2009 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bdebde (Post 272590)
For a fast on road car, I would run 6s with the MMM 2200 system. In fact I have a Ofna GTP with a CC 2200 that I am working on, actually just need to get an ESC for it and mabe some different lipos.



I prefer Nicads:lol:

Yeah!! Sanyo 1100 SCE's FTW!!

6s?? Really? wow,Will something like that fit into the RCM battery tray,or will I have to get mike to make me a custom one?

suicideneil 03.23.2009 09:18 PM

C rating = discharge rating- as in 5000mah x 20c = 100amps continuous output.
Voltage is 3.7v per cell, the S next to the 2,3,4,5,6 means Series, as in the number of cells in series to give you a total pack voltage.

You want a single 4s or pair of 2s in series for your setup ideally.

jayjay283 03.23.2009 09:49 PM

I dont know what your gearing is and if 1 speed or 2, but MMM/2200kv- 4s in a Kyosho gt wont go nearly as fast as the nitro versions, he will be going high 40's .. I agree with Bdebde, throw a 6s /25c-30c/5000mah. Hit high 60 low 70s easy .. Gear for 100+mph speed runs...

Gotta measure your battery tray to find what will fit

http://progressiverc.com/6S_Lipo.html

speedemall 03.23.2009 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jayjay283 (Post 272625)
I dont know what your gearing is and if 1 speed or 2, but MMM/2200kv- 4s in a Kyosho gt wont go nearly as fast as the nitro versions, he will be going high 40's .. I agree with Bdebde, throw a 6s /25c-30c/5000mah. Hit high 60 low 70s easy .. Gear for 100+mph speed runs...

Gotta measure your battery tray to find what will fit

http://progressiverc.com/6S_Lipo.html

I have done the single speed conversion running a 44t spur and whatever tooth pinion comes with the CC 2200,I am still waiting for the Castle setup to arrive

bdebde 03.23.2009 10:21 PM

Yeah, many 6s will fit mikes tray, just check dimensions.

I won't even mess with 4s for the GTP, I have a spare MM and lots of 4s batts, so I could run it now, but the SPEED would not be that fast (or at least not for me). 4s may be ok if you have a two speed or don't want it to go that fast. I will wait until I get another 6s controller, and for better weather, then I will unleash the beast.

bdebde 03.23.2009 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by speedemall (Post 272635)
I have done the single speed conversion running a 44t spur and whatever tooth pinion comes with the CC 2200,I am still waiting for the Castle setup to arrive

I believe you will need to order another pinion. If I am not mistaken, you have mod1 spur, the pinion included with the castle set up is 32 pitch.

speedemall 03.23.2009 10:55 PM

would it be safe to run two 3s packs side by side with a Y harness? I really don't want most of the weight on one side of the chassis from using a 6s pack. Any benefit running one setup over the other,both packs being identical on the dual setup? Obviously it would be easier to charge one pack being that I have only one charger and won't have to wait for two.

jayjay283 03.24.2009 10:00 AM

Side by Side would be great if you have the room. 2x 3s lipos 5000 mah or 2x 6s lipos 2500 mah. if you have the room.

It wouldnt be "THAT" off weight with 1 lipo, approx. 850 grams for a 6s 5000 lipo,... otherside 340g for a 1515, 50g for a servo etc..


some here have pics of their buggys/truggys with dual RCM trays and the RCM mount on the front diff mount so the motor sits at the front drivers side... Cant find a pic ATM..

speedemall 03.24.2009 11:30 AM

I have an equinox ,would I have to get another balancer for a 6s? If so what do you recommend??

lincpimp 03.24.2009 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by speedemall (Post 272755)
I have an equinox ,would I have to get another balancer for a 6s? If so what do you recommend??

Yep, the equinox is only good for 5s. I like the hyperion lba10. What charger do you have?

speedemall 03.24.2009 11:34 AM

an ICE

lincpimp 03.24.2009 11:42 AM

Well an ICE can only do 4s lipo, so you can stick with the equinox. Have you done the high current mod to the equinox yet? It will allow you to charge at 5 amps thru it. Pretty easy, as you as you have a soldering iron and half a clue...

speedemall 03.24.2009 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 272759)
Well an ICE can only do 4s lipo, so you can stick with the equinox. Have you done the high current mod to the equinox yet? It will allow you to charge at 5 amps thru it. Pretty easy, as you as you have a soldering iron and half a clue...

AWWWW!!! So that means I need another charger,I knew it. I MUST have something to charge a 6s pack,my configuration only allows me to fit a single pack. I had no clue about the high current mod but I'm interested. Do you have pics or a link to a tutorial??

lincpimp 03.24.2009 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by speedemall (Post 272762)
AWWWW!!! So that means I need another charger,I knew it. I MUST have something to charge a 6s pack,my configuration only allows me to fit a single pack. I had no clue about the high current mod but I'm interested. Do you have pics or a link to a tutorial??

Best bet would be to sell the ICE and the equinox and buy a hyperion 610i.

You can get around 80 bucks for the ICE and 25 for the equinox. I can give you some info to get the 610I for a really good price too. It can do up 6s and 250watts output so it is a powerful charger, and it has a built in balancer.

speedemall 03.24.2009 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 272768)
Best bet would be to sell the ICE and the equinox and buy a hyperion 610i.

You can get around 80 bucks for the ICE and 25 for the equinox. I can give you some info to get the 610I for a really good price too. It can do up 6s and 250watts output so it is a powerful charger, and it has a built in balancer.

Sweet!! Can I get it cheaper than $150? thats what I have seen them go for.

I was looking at this,what do you think???

http://cgi.ebay.com/E-STATION-BC6-Ba...742.m153.l1262

lincpimp 03.24.2009 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by speedemall (Post 272769)
Sweet!! Can I get it cheaper than $150? thats what I have seen them go for.

I was looking at this,what do you think???

http://cgi.ebay.com/E-STATION-BC6-Ba...742.m153.l1262

Sent you a pm...

Not thinking that e-station is much of a deal.

speedemall 03.24.2009 01:00 PM

Okay,$150 is a good price for that hyperion 610 I like it.

mjderstine 03.24.2009 01:04 PM

i have the 0606i and love it. can only do one batt at a time, but dc/ac power is great, never gets hot when using it either, and has lots of capabilities.

+1 for the 0606i

suicideneil 03.24.2009 01:06 PM

I've got one of the BC6s- great chargers for upto 6s lipo, but limited to 50watts output- it'll take you about 2 hours to charge a 6s ~5000mah lipo.

lincpimp 03.24.2009 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by speedemall (Post 272771)
Okay,$150 is a good price for that hyperion 610 I like it.

You may have fun finding the 610i as it has been replaced with the 720i. Various stores had really good deals on the 610i for the last few months, but they may be sold out. I bought 2 of them... Replaced my 2 ice chargers and the 2 mrc 989 chargers I had. I am almost all hyperion now, I have 5 total... Great chargers with tons of features and they are easy to use...

lincpimp 03.24.2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mjderstine (Post 272772)
i have the 0606i and love it. can only do one batt at a time, but dc/ac power is great, never gets hot when using it either, and has lots of capabilities.

+1 for the 0606i

It is a good charger, but is limited to 50 watts output. So it can do 5 amps charge on 2-3s but after that the rate will drop. On 6s you may get 2.5 amps out of it, so a 2 hr charge time for a 5000 pack.

It is important to look at the output watts, divide them by the lipo voltage you plan to charge (6s = 4.2vx6= 25.2v) and you will get the amp capabilities. So the 610i at 250 watt output can charge a 6s pack up to 9.9amps. You would also need a good power supply to get that out of it.

At 12v imput you would need 21amps of power supply, figure in some losses, like 30% and you need something near 30amps worth of capability from your power supply. If you can push the voltage up to 15v, you can get away with less amp capability, but some PS will not let you adjust the voltage.

mjderstine 03.24.2009 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 272775)
It is a good charger, but is limited to 50 watts output. So it can do 5 amps charge on 2-3s but after that the rate will drop. On 6s you may get 2.5 amps out of it, so a 2 hr charge time for a 5000 pack.

...

just checked and the 610i is out of stock most places, seems that it was selling for the same price as my 0606i, not a bad price at all. since i am going to be getting at least one 4cell pack in the near future, might have to look into getting a bigger charger as well. but 2.5 hours, and make sure its charged the night before, i will be fine with what i have for a while.

Arct1k 03.24.2009 02:53 PM

I have 5i's with lba 10's for sale if you were interested...

speedemall 03.24.2009 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Arct1k (Post 272799)
I have 5i's with lba 10's for sale if you were interested...

Please translate this to simpler terms if directed towards me, the newb:lol: Man!! This site needs a for sale section for members,I need stuff

speedemall 03.25.2009 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mjderstine (Post 272795)
just checked and the 610i is out of stock most places, seems that it was selling for the same price as my 0606i, not a bad price at all. since i am going to be getting at least one 4cell pack in the near future, might have to look into getting a bigger charger as well. but 2.5 hours, and make sure its charged the night before, i will be fine with what i have for a while.


I just bought a 610i today off ebay,he has two left.I cant wait to try it out.

SpeedAssault 04.02.2009 03:36 AM

Glad this subject is here, been looking and wondering what Lipo size to get for my new project. 6S sounds great

Hyperion 0606i
very good quality
love mine

Thunder POwer batteries, have heard nothing but great news on them and long lasting, they are said to be the most balanced cells.

Please clarify this
The higher C the less the ESC or motor will heat up ?
How does that work, what leads to hot ESc and motors ??


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