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jhautz 03.26.2009 11:05 AM

This is it. Couple pictures of the production model.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...l/CIMG3764.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...l/CIMG3769.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...l/CIMG3742.jpg

RC-Monster Mike 03.26.2009 11:07 AM

Thanks for posting the pics, Jeff - I was about to do the same. :)

Hardstyle 03.26.2009 11:10 AM

Woa I just creamed my pants. Thats awesome, very compact design.. Any test runs done yet? How it runs?

JoFreak 03.26.2009 11:21 AM

And now an additional pic of the G3 mountings and I'm the happiest man in the whole wide world!

RC-Monster Mike 03.26.2009 11:22 AM

Its been tested and tuned for over a year. They will be available in the store this weekend - I will let the product speak for itself in terms of performance. :)

RC-Monster Mike 03.26.2009 11:23 AM

G3 mounting wil be tricky - the smallest spur size is the 46t shown(and included). a 44t spur BARELY fits between the chassis braces on a G3(or tmaxx/emaxx). None the less, I will work on various startegies to allow this item to install in various vehicles. :)

Hardstyle 03.26.2009 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike (Post 273375)
Its been tested and tuned for over a year. They will be available in the store this weekend - I will let the product speak for itself in terms of performance. :)

Fair enough. Have to get one for testing someday :yes: People will buy these like crazy im sure :mdr:

gixxer 03.26.2009 12:06 PM

looks great. one more step forward for electric 8th scale. Will order one of these as soon as I get another 8th scale.

lincpimp 03.26.2009 12:18 PM

Any chance of a weight comparison between this and a std center diff with either a plastic or steel spur?

Looks good Mike, bet you are glad to finally get it in the store...

crazyjr 03.26.2009 03:50 PM

I don't want people to think i hate center diffs, its just that i will probably need a transmission for racing. If the time comes i need a balls out unlimited revo, I'll be calling. good luck on the center diffs guys

brushlessboy16 03.26.2009 07:59 PM

So you can access diff gears etc without altering your clutch settings?

RC-Monster Mike 03.26.2009 08:17 PM

Correct. The diff cup has 2 end caps - one for the "slipper" side, which is built first. The diff is built from the other side, so diff maintenance/fluid changes can be made without touching the slipper settings.
The aluminum rod sticking out of the adjustment nut is used to adjust the slipper setting while it is installed in the car(threads into the nut for adjustment).

brushlessboy16 03.26.2009 08:22 PM

Very Nice addition Mike!

I have a question though, What Is the main purpose of the slipperential. Is it just to releive stress on the motor/driveline?

I may be wrong, but the way I see it is that it limits power to the wheels(clutch slipping). But, (lets say your racing) Shouldnt you be able to use a smooth trigger finger/esc settings to accomplish the same thing. What am I missing?

RC-Monster Mike 03.26.2009 08:36 PM

Well, there is no substitute for a smooth trigger finger, but a smooth trigger finger is also no substitute for a slipper. When you land a big jump on all 4 wheels, for example - the shock is transmitted through the entire drive train(even if your "smoothly" picking your nose with the trigger finger). The slipper will absorb this shock. When accelerating through a particularly rough area, there is also considerable shock. Once the shock force exceeds the slipper tension, some slippage will occur and absorb this shock - again, the trigger position has nothing to do with it.
Regarding traction control - well, you can't "feel" the track from the driver's stand, so your smooth trigger action, while helpful, is also somewhat reactive(and hopefully proactive on the 2nd lap). And unless your have motor skills equivilent to Rainman's math skills, you won't be exactly the same every time, either. The slipper setting will be consistant. On a slippery track, you can dial in slip and make it much easier to control traction. On a firm track, a stiffer setting will be transparent(won't know its there), but hard landings or other high shock loads will be absorbed by the slipper.

So yes - it can limit power transfer to the wheels like you mentioned - in fact that is the whole point. It limits "power" or "shock" both ways(from the truck to the track or from the track to the truck). :)

azjc 03.26.2009 08:39 PM

will it work with a Losi 8T?

FastXR 03.26.2009 08:57 PM

How about a Matrix TR?

slimthelineman 03.26.2009 09:10 PM

sweet! wish i could use one this weekend, theres a race at hotrods on dry track all day saturday. this thing would be grrrreat! last time i was there i snapped an outdrive in half on thr rear diff. was the only car to break in an all nitro race! wow

cheesecake 03.27.2009 06:50 AM

Hmm payday is monday do i need a slipperential?????

Finnster 03.27.2009 10:07 AM

? from other thread:

Quote:

Question tho. Are all the replacement parts custom to RCM? Obviously the spur and case and all, but what about the internal gears, slipper pads and other misc things? I know at one point Mike said he wanted avoid using OEMs for parts as they may discontinue parts at any time.

What is the price? Missed that too, tho we'll see it soon enough.

Arct1k 03.27.2009 10:44 AM

IIRC $129.99 was the target price...

I have ever confidence that mike will make spares available...

Semi Pro 03.27.2009 10:51 AM

bye bye center torsion diff, hello slipperential

Finnster 03.27.2009 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arct1k (Post 273662)
IIRC $129.99 was the target price...

I have ever confidence that mike will make spares available...

I'm sure he will, and I sincerly hope its a good revenue stream for RCM. Mike deserves it. I'm just wondering how much ended up being custom.

Mozzy 03.28.2009 12:17 PM

I don't see an answer to the question of what truggies will this fit & what won't it fit?

Is it limited by the vehicles overall mass?

Does it lock the centre under extreme accelleration like a tractive IV or torsen to push the power to the wheels with grip?

BP-Revo 03.28.2009 12:23 PM

Right now it is unknown of what truggies it will fit and it won't fit.

Once it comes out, between all the users who buy it, I'm sure there will be a running list made of what it will easily drop into without mods, drop in with minor mods, or take a fair bit of mods to install.

Also, the differential is a normal differential, no torsen type activity involved.

It simply acts like a regular, fluid-filled differential that has a slipper clutch between it and the spur gear to absorb drivetrain shock just like the slipper clutches found on the transmissions of many monster trucks (Revo, E-Revo, T/E-Maxx, etc.).

Mozzy 03.28.2009 12:28 PM

Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up.

You just saved me $130USD.

bruce750i 03.28.2009 01:27 PM

I wonder what section of the RCM store it will be in? Gears/Tranny?, New stuff?

Hardstyle 03.28.2009 06:26 PM

Unassembled product.

http://www.rc-monster.com/prodimages...assembled2.JPG

Metallover 03.28.2009 06:36 PM

Wow. 53 peices in one center diff assembly. It what it takes for a supper CD assembly!

Hardstyle 03.28.2009 06:40 PM

Yeah, Mike has obviously done a good job to get 'em all in so compact shape :yes:

snellemin 03.28.2009 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardstyle (Post 274055)

Damn!! That is one serious piece of equipment.

RC-Monster Mike 03.28.2009 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruce750i (Post 274002)
I wonder what section of the RCM store it will be in? Gears/Tranny?, New stuff?

http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail...Mslipperential

lincpimp 03.28.2009 06:57 PM

Dang that is alot of parts Mike!!! I can see why it took a while to get it designed, looks great. May have to score one for the hyper8. Any chance you will make plastic spurs for it?

phatmonk 03.28.2009 07:43 PM

Does it come assembled?

RC-Monster Mike 03.28.2009 07:45 PM

We tried several versions, including at least 3 designs with a plastic spur - they couldn't take the heat long term. They held up fine for a 5 or 6 minute run, but with a lot of slip dialed in, the heat softened the plastic and it became fairly easy to strip. A plastic spur would likely work for most, but we tested in extreme slip conditions to ensure durability and reliability. We wanted it to be as user friendly and problem free as possible when released.

RC-Monster Mike 03.28.2009 07:53 PM

Assembly and installation required. :)

BP-Revo 03.28.2009 07:58 PM

Sweet!

I'm trying to find an excuse to buy one right now lol! I currently don't run a vehicle with a full sized center diff so I can't really justify buying one but I'm "this" close from buying one just to have it sit on my shelf so I can marvel at it and eventually put it in something!

George16 03.28.2009 08:26 PM

Let's see if I can wait until the 48 and 50T spur become available :lol::lol:.

brushlessboy16 03.28.2009 08:37 PM

Ever consider a gear unit like the RRP Double disk, metal slipper pad with a plastic spur bolted to it?

RC-Monster Mike 03.28.2009 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brushlessboy16 (Post 274085)
Ever consider a gear unit like the RRP Double disk, metal slipper pad with a plastic spur bolted to it?

Yes, we considered it - unfortunately, there is no room. We tried several ways to use a plastic spur in fact (the design started with a plastic spur). Our hardened pinions can withstand the abuse and run pretty quiet on the steel spur used. Would plastic work with the current design? - most likely, but a loose setting may cause failure. We had success with plastic spurs, but we had a heatsinking mount built into the spur, which added space and cost. The Steel spur is rugged, long lasting, and much simpler to work with.

gixxer 03.28.2009 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BP-Revo (Post 274076)
Sweet!

I'm trying to find an excuse to buy one right now lol! I currently don't run a vehicle with a full sized center diff so I can't really justify buying one but I'm "this" close from buying one just to have it sit on my shelf so I can marvel at it and eventually put it in something!

I am in the same boat. No 8th scale right now so kinda hard to justify buying it,but I know I will end up with one sooner or later.


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