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speedemall 03.31.2009 08:01 AM

Is a MOD1 a must for brushless setups??
 
I keep reading about people using these MOD 1 pinions and was wondering,is it a must for me to use one of these on my BL IGT? If so why can't I just get a regular pinion like the one the vehicle originally came with? Are there true benefits to running mod 1's ,and would I find these in LHS's ,or only here in the monster store?

Arct1k 03.31.2009 08:07 AM

Check your other post - No it is not mandatory to go to Mod1 - Mod 1 is a "meaty" gear and hence takes brushless power.

The EMAXX and EREVO use mod 0.8 which works perfectly well.

sleebus.jones 03.31.2009 08:07 AM

Not really. I run a 32P on my emaxx with no problem. It's more a result of most nitro cars are set up with MOD 1 from the factory, so getting a MOD 1 pinion to match makes sense.

sikeston34m 03.31.2009 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by speedemall (Post 274805)
I keep reading about people using these MOD 1 pinions and was wondering,is it a must for me to use one of these on my BL IGT? If so why can't I just get a regular pinion like the one the vehicle originally came with? Are there true benefits to running mod 1's ,and would I find these in LHS's ,or only here in the monster store?

Some people think so, some people think not.

I like to run Mod 1 gearing in the heavier Monster Trucks. This allows me to run a tighter slipper with no worries.

The Mod 1 are tougher. They hold up better under the abuse.

brushlessboy16 03.31.2009 08:23 AM

Doesnt the inferno gt have mod1 gears already?

speedemall 03.31.2009 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by brushlessboy16 (Post 274814)
Doesnt the inferno gt have mod1 gears already?

My IGT came with 2spd and I have converted it to single.The person I bought the donor 7.5 chassis from for the conversion did not send me the pinion with it.It has a 46t metal spur on it already and I have no idea what gearing to start with lol

brushlessboy16 03.31.2009 08:53 AM

Its still mod1. Mod1 or Module 1.0 is only the pitch of the gear teeth.
Use BrianG's speed calculator to calculate your top speed.. 45 should be easily achievable with low heat...

jhautz 03.31.2009 09:35 AM

Mod1 is the tooth size on the pinion. The pinion that came with your inferno gt originally was a clutch bell (not a pinion) and used the same Mod1 tooth size. Not sure how you would attach a clutch bell to an electric motor unless you came up with a custom motor mount for your inferno and use the Tekno clutch thing. The stock spur gears are Mod1 size and so is the metal spur you are using on the 1 speed setup, so yes you will want to buy a Mod1 pinion unless you want to try and figure out how to convert the gears on the car to something else. Doesnt make much sense to do that though. Much simpler to just get the proper pinion gear.

Yes, RC-Monster sells the Mod1 size pinon gears. There are other places to buy them as well, but we all know that getting them from RCM is the best way to go. :mdr: Gotta support the monster.

speedemall 03.31.2009 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jhautz (Post 274837)
Gotta support the monster.

I already have and will continue,I just need something to run the car right now,in the mean time I'll order a few mod ones from here.

speedemall 03.31.2009 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by brushlessboy16 (Post 274823)
Its still mod1. Mod1 or Module 1.0 is only the pitch of the gear teeth.
Use BrianG's speed calculator to calculate your top speed.. 45 should be easily achievable with low heat...

What pinion would you recommend I start with using the 46t spur?

brushlessboy16 03.31.2009 09:55 AM

what tires are you running

jhautz 03.31.2009 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by speedemall (Post 274843)
What pinion would you recommend I start with using the 46t spur?


Gotta have more info to make a recomendation. Motor? Battery? Tires size?

http://scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/_solver.html

you should be able to plug your info into this and figure out a good starting point for pinion size.

speedemall 03.31.2009 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by brushlessboy16 (Post 274844)
what tires are you running

stock slicks but I know I will blow them apart lol. You have something in mind that I can run that'll withstand high speed and not break the bank? I hear allot about the empanimas? (sp)?

speedemall 03.31.2009 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jhautz (Post 274845)
Gotta have more info to make a recomendation. Motor? Battery? Tires size?

http://scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/_solver.html

you should be able to plug your info into this and figure out a good starting point for pinion size.



2650kv,4200 5s 30c,stock 1/8 tires and wheels.

brushlessboy16 03.31.2009 10:21 AM

Bad already. DO NO RUN THE 2650 ON 5S!

Its been discussed many time.

Arct1k 03.31.2009 10:21 AM

FYI if that this the castle motor it is only rated to 4S - I personally ran mine for a few times on 5s before they updated the spec and it was ok.

Just be advised that you are running out of spec and hence warranty...

You are just missing one bit of info - desired top speed...

speedemall 03.31.2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by brushlessboy16 (Post 274849)
Bad already. DO NO RUN THE 2650 ON 5S!

Its been discussed many time.

good thing you told me before my first run!! Thank you!!! Can you link me to a thread or give me the reason why? I am going to buy packs today and need to know what to get asap.

speedemall 03.31.2009 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Arct1k (Post 274850)
FYI if that this the castle motor it is only rated to 4S - I personally ran mine for a few times on 5s before they updated the spec and it was ok.

Just be advised that you are running out of spec and hence warranty...

You are just missing one bit of info - desired top speed...

so the limit is 4s regardless if it is v3? I would like to get a top speed between 45-60 mph nothing to hairy.My slash is clocking 53 on a 9000kv 2s pack and I'm comfortable with that just not in the dirt :lol:

Arct1k 03.31.2009 10:36 AM

Castle only rate the MOTOR to 4s : 2650*4*3.7 = 39.2K RPM... Guess they don't want them going higher....

I have run on 5s just be aware of warranty issue.

PS MMM v3 ESC is rated to 6s.

Arct1k 03.31.2009 10:38 AM

Option 1:

Differential Ratio: 3.3076923076923075
Transmission Ratio: 1
Additional Ratio: 1
Spur Tooth Count: 46
Pinion Tooth Count: 16
Battery Voltage: 14.8
Motor KV: 2650
Tire Diameter (inches): 4
Top Speed (MPH): 49.0784 MPH

Arct1k 03.31.2009 10:39 AM

Option 2 - No warranty

Differential Ratio: 3.3076923076923075
Transmission Ratio: 1
Additional Ratio: 1
Spur Tooth Count: 46
Pinion Tooth Count: 13
Battery Voltage: 18.5
Motor KV: 2650
Tire Diameter (inches): 4
Top Speed (MPH): 49.8453 MPH

speedemall 04.01.2009 10:54 AM

even though my car is running mod1 spur My LHS's only have mod 8 pinions and spurs in stock as this kind of setup is just not popular here.Would it be safe to convert my spur and pinion to Mod 8 being that it is an on road car?

Arct1k 04.01.2009 11:04 AM

Not really as no one makes that I am aware of a spur gear for and IGT that is Mod 0.8...

Mod 1 is not that uncommon any more - for now just buy the pinions from mike.

speedemall 04.01.2009 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Arct1k (Post 275194)
Not really as no one makes that I am aware of a spur gear for and IGT that is Mod 0.8...

Mod 1 is not that uncommon any more - for now just buy the pinions from mike.

will do thanks!!!

SidewaysLS4 04.01.2009 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by speedemall (Post 274847)
stock slicks but I know I will blow them apart lol. You have something in mind that I can run that'll withstand high speed and not break the bank? I hear allot about the empanimas? (sp)?


I ran those, broke 3 of them at the hub, and one was shattering around the tire/rim edge. And this is on a 1:10 buggy converted to 17mm hex (lightweight). Very fragile IMO. They are supposedly coming out with a revised wheel for these issues, but I'm still waiting for my warranty replacement to see how those are. Also, have a wheel balancer, they tend to need balancing badly.

I have OFNA wheels and OFNA belted treaded tires now, you gotta build them yourself, but they dont break and require less lead to balance them.

speedemall 04.01.2009 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SidewaysLS4 (Post 275209)
I ran those, broke 3 of them at the hub, and one was shattering around the tire/rim edge. And this is on a 1:10 buggy converted to 17mm hex (lightweight). Very fragile IMO. They are supposedly coming out with a revised wheel for these issues, but I'm still waiting for my warranty replacement to see how those are. Also, have a wheel balancer, they tend to need balancing badly.

I have OFNA wheels and OFNA belted treaded tires now, you gotta build them yourself, but they dont break and require less lead to balance them.

were they the 5 spoke design?

SidewaysLS4 04.01.2009 04:27 PM

BBS style.


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