Buggy on 4s, Truggy on 5s, MT on 5s.
 

Here is my dillema... it has been tearing me up for the past 3 weeks. I cannot decide what i want to convert. Either a Hyper 7 tq black running a RCM mount, 4s zippy 5000 mah, and a MMM 2650. On the flip side, there is a truggy (mbx5t, losi 8ight-t 1.0, hyper st), on 5s with the MMM 2200. But on the other side, i am looking at a Savage that needs a wheelie bar and new shocks. That should be run on 6s, but my charger will only do 5s, so i might run it on that setup. with the 2200kv... As far as prices, the buggy is cheapest, Truggy is 2nd, mt is 3rd. The savage would need some parts before i can get ahold of a BL system. The truggy i like because it should still be able to climb what my Savage can, but handle better. and be easier to setup. The buggy on the other hand i can run on 4s, and it's super durable. On the other hand, it's not as capable in the rough stuff. the MT i like, but my charger, and the prices are making me a little weary... :whistle: Looking for your thoughts on the three setups. if i went buggy, i would buy a new Hyper 7 and sell nitro stuff. Truggy would be bought used. And the Savage i already own. So i either am going to sell it or convert it. depending on what i decide to do. i know in the end it's my choice, but I just cannot do it... i keep bouncing back and forth, and i don't get anywhere. I am sure that i will like either one. But i don't want to regret it later. After all, it will be my only rc. and I wont have an Xbox. :lol:

Possibly need some insight on your skill level... Do you want to make stuff, or would you want to buy everything off the shelf?

I want to build it (put it together) but i don't want custom work. i don't have a mill, and i know if i was to make something custom, i would mess it up. For example, i would like to take a truck, put in a mount, find a bolt in tray, and RUN IT!!!
For me, the fun part is the driving, not so uch the building.

myself I started with a MT(I have converted a few Revos) and I now have a 8t Truggy which is my fav...it all depends on your personality and how would you describe your running style?

Who says you have to run the Savage on 6S? You can run it on what S (>3S) you want provided you get the right motor. A medusa 80mm 1600kv or 2000kv would be great on 5S. Hard to go wrong @ $150. MMM is cheap too @$150. The CC 2200 is stil a hot motor on 5S if you aleady have that.

What batts do you have? In fact, other than the savvy, what parts do you have and what is your budget and what do you plan to do with it. More info would be helpful in making a recc, but ultimately you will just have to go w/ something and enjoy it.

I love my Savvy, and truggy too. Sav def gets more places and does things the truggy can't do, but the trug handles far better. Plus parts are cheap. Both are easy to work on.

i run a lot on street and grass. dirt whenever i find it. Basically At. my favorite is dirt, second is grass, third is street. the thing that gets me, is just how much ground clearance do i need for the offroading i do... Anyone know the Savage ground clearance in comparison to say a buggy?

I don't have to run it on 6s. i have seen the stock Flux do standstill backflips on only 4s. What do you mean "what other parts do you have besides the savage?" As in other cars? i have a rc18mt bl but that is going to be sold to buy whatever it is i get. I don't have any batts as it is now. And my charger is the limiting factor (5s limit). but when you think about it, what is good handling? I mean... honestly. If you're not racing, and you have a powerful setup, what exactly does the term "good-handling" mean? Does it make it funner? Or would a truck that is harder to control be funner? I mean, afterall you're just bashing right? Hmm... intersting concept. Let me know if there is anything else i can throw out there. To help you guys help me. :yes:

This should make it a bit easier

Buggies: Fast, relatively light, more realistic looks, but prone to shock tower damage.
Truggies: Easy to drive, forgiving, quite a bit bigger than the same scale buggy.
Mt's: A more dramatic truggy (more suspension movement, bodyroll, wheelies, etc.)

Personally I am a buggy guy, but i bash on pavement most of the time. On grass, my 2650 runs cooler geared the same, probably because I am not using the breaks as often.

Truggy gets my vote!

As stated above...it all depends on what you are going to use the MOST IMO. I love anything rc., so it would be hard for me to answer this question.

Thing is, i don't want to get a truggy if a buggy can do all of the same stuff. What exactly can a buggy NOT do?

Here is a video to show my point - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95XQBo2qG_U

It is a similar setup to the one i want to right. It looks like it can handle some rough stuff...or is it just me?

Buggies wont be quite as capable on the very rough off road terrain and bottom out easier on big jumps... smaller tires, less clearance... For all around bashing I would think a savage would be the most fun, truggy a close second. Savages can literally go anywhere, trails, mud, grass, dirt, road... and better than most truggies.

Still truggs are very good offroad and handle better than MTs in a racing sense, just dont expect it to "trail crawl/ride" as well as a MT.

Anyone know the averages ground clearance between all of them? Stock buggy, stock truggy, and stock savage? Looked with no luck...

A buggy has about 1 inch of ground clearance, a truggy may have 2inches. You can jack the suspensions up a bit, but that will affect the handling. That is why the flat chassis vehicles handle better, more weight it placed lower...

:lol: Thats my video. :yes: Thanks for posting that! :wink: I personally like a truggy the best for bashing. It gives you the best of all the cars in my opinion. Handles well, enough ground clearance, tough as nails, and can do everything the other vehicles can. However, if you're never in any really rough areas, than a buggy will work out perfect for you.

and the savage has 3.5''-4'' of clearence. just convert the savage if you just wanna bash. a truggy or buggy cannot handle jumps and are not as durable as a savage.

I've ovned both a truggy and many savages. Although the savage is an excellent truck, it needs quite a few upgrades to be as tough as my hyper ST pro. I've never broken a single thing on my hyper ST. Only thing that went wrong was I stripped a ball end. Literally a $3 fix, while I have needed to put $100s into my savages to keep them running (when I had them.)

My son is talented - he broke a lower front arm running 2s... lol

I'd say my Hyper ST is tougher than the savage, but the Sav us quite tough, just a few lame parts.

Truggies and buggies are like offroad F1 cars. Low, fast and aggressive. Very tunable and usually very tough. Truggies have truck tires, but can still get bogged down in long grass. Limited ground clearance is best for smoother dirt, street and short grass.

MT's are just like that. Bigfoot, Gravedigger, etc. Big burly and good for drving over stuff. Long grass, rough lots (construction lots,) rocks, hills, woods, etc. Have to slow down for turns or likely to roll.

All or fun, but excel in different areas. Where you drive most/ enjoy most is what I would base my decision on.

I think you'd be fine with a Truggy, but if you have your heart set on a Savage then get it. I can't see you going wrong with a Buggy, Truggy, or Savage and if the Savage is what you want then it is the right choice. I had a Revo, and it was fun to drive and bash but my Muggy will outhandle it and is built to handle lots of power. A Truggy will handle well on the street (suspension will be a bit soft for street use if you want it to be bashable offroad, but it will work), drive well in grass as long as it's not too long, and once you get it in the dirt it will truly come alive.

Didn't know that! Nice video though, really liked it.

I am starting to like a truggy... Buggy cannot handle the grass or lots that I like to mess around in. Truggy MIGHT. Mt yes.

On a side note, I was considering buying a motor from Ryan (Takedown on the forums). It is from BP. It's supposidly similar to an 8xl, but with a finned can. Any thoughts on this? Says he bought it for $60 and would give me a good discount.

I was thinking for a Savage setup... 8xl (BP motor), MMM esc (can upgrade to a nicer motor later, or 6s), 5s Zippy 5000 mah. Then either a FLM conversion, or a Kershaw conversion mount... Any thoughts? I have seen the 8xl, and it rips. It would be a budget setup. $170 for the BL setup, $80 for the Lipo, and then maybe $70-$100 for the conversion setup. Such as aluminum spur, pinions (5mm)... I am just praying it wont run hot. That is only ONE possible setup. The other is a truggy, and a buggy is ruled out, pretty much...

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hope i embedded the vid right. that's a savage on 5s lipo with less than 1/2 throttle.

edit: i know i did something wrong but at least 1 of them is playing lol

Just watching that vid. That is the guy that is going to sell me the finned 8xl. Pretty impressive. Half throttle... i don't know. I would say 3/4. It looked like it got up to 35-40. and I doubt it will go 70-80.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9pTj...eature=related

What about a steel 2 speed...

Decided on the Savage. Thanks all for the replies. I feel attached to it, and I like the truck. So I have decided that i already own it, I am used to it now, and I am going to convert it.

Thats Takedown... He shattered his 2 speed with a feigao. and no offense to him but the motor hes trying to sell you is about the same quality as a feigao... Dont skimp or you will end up paying more in the long run- i have been there.

Stock gears are plastic, was thinking about running steel. if not, just locking it in 1st. Supposidly it is just a finned 8xl, so for cheap, it should work right?

It'll work, but it is a crappy motor.

It will work. I had a 8xl I ran in a revo on 4 and 5s for quite a while. It put out good power and was fast. The big adv to the better motors are they have way more TQ and power for the same size, and run far cooler. Having to stop the truck and let the motor cool as it hit 180 is a PITA. Esp if you are running it in a big heavy sav on 5S. A 80mm 1600kv Medusa would be well worth the extra $$ spent.

I'd cut as much accesories (like wheelie bars) out as possible if it meant it would fall into the budget.

I was running a 3-speed... They suck.

Hoping the finned can will help. i hate when setups run hot...