To 40 series or not to 40 series, that is the question
 

Man, im just torn with what to do here. I REALLY wanna put 40 series Big Joe tires on my Flux along with Axials 40 series 8 spoke beadlock rims but I'm hearing peeps cry out "No, the axials are crap, they won't hold the bead!" or "You'll ruin your diffs and tranny with that extra weight, don't do it, 40 series are for shelf queens" The stock tire size looks just so...boring. Monster trucks are BIG and have BIG tires damnit!

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...shocksocks.jpg

Arrrgh, I refuse to believe that my awesome Flux will have a hard time running 40 series tires with the torque that thing puts out. I"m a general all around basher, so i'll be doing everything from slow dirt hill climbs to flying up dirt ramps and doing jumps and flips like below:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...lux/bash11.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...lux/bash20.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...lux/bash23.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...lux/bash21.jpg


But after the disaster that I found from this guy, I dunno if i'll ever attempt 6S power at this rate. Then again, he did make some poor decisions but it seems 6S is just pushing the saftely envelope to close for comfort

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20951
http://www.savage-central.com/module...81425&start=40

I just wanna stick with 44/20 gearing using 4S and I don't see how it would be a problem with 40 series. The speed calculator indicates I should be safe with that gearing and tires, so I don't see what everyone is having a hissy fit about.

Differential Ratio: 3.3076923076923075
Transmission Ratio: 2.215277777777778
Other Ratio: 1
Spur Tooth Count: 44
Pinion Tooth Count: 20
Total Voltage: 14.8
Motor KV: 2200
Tire Diameter (inches): 6.4
Tire Ballooning (inches): .5
Motor Current Draw: 0
Motor coil Ω: 0.006
Spur/Pinion Ratio: 2.2 : 1
Total Ratio: 16.12041 : 1
Tire Circumference (inches): 23.25 inches (590.49 mm)
Total Motor Speed: 32560 RPM
Vehicle Speed: 44.47 mph (71.43 km/h)
Effective KV Value: 2200
KT constant: 0.61 oz-in/A

I don't like the look or the price of Prolines 40 series beadlocks, I much prefer Axials

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...x/DSCF0814.jpg

http://www.axialracing.com/tools/loc...5ebc72a97f.jpg

But peeps are crying bloody murder that the Axials won't hold or last as this guy shows. Is this really a problem or just someone with bad luck?

http://www.savage-central.com/module...81425&start=60

http://www.kizzard.net/images/dirtybash2/DSC_1733s.jpg

Other peeps are telling me I should just get Maximizer beadlocks with 1/2'' offset but I still think it looks stupid and too "Baja" truck looking, not "MONSTER" truck looking

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...x/P1110136.jpg

Any advise or suggestions would be greatly appreciate. However, I WILL NOT BE GLUING ANY TIRES WHATSOEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. I HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE GLUING TIRES. So don't bother suggesting it, mkay? Its beadlocks, or nothing.

Weigh one of your stock tires. And find the weights of the wheels and tires you plan to use. The 40 series bowties have a very small sidewall so that is why that beadlock did not survive, if he has a masher or big joe on it would most likely have survived. Looks like he hit a curb, so no ones fault but his own.

Its the beadlocks - Never could get them to take with brushless power...

Glue is the way to go...

Other people do it, so I'm inclined to disagree

the axial beadlocks have smaller screws which doesnt hold them as tight. i believe i read that the maximizers hold up way better. the Maximizer X-75 beadlocks was a popular choice. but the trick is to change out all the stock screws with a slightly bigger titanium screw, and it will hold up to bl power.

Well, after hearing a bunch of different theories and opinions from unknown and some unreliable peeps on the web, I decided just to go to the man himself at my LHS and asked him what felt about the whole 40 series debacle.

His following is his approx responses after I asked questions about the pluses and minuses of going 40 series tires on my Flux and the possible bad results from what I heard online:

"For the most part, THEY are correct. 40 series tire is alot of extra weight and strain on almost any R/C truck. The Big Joe and others have reduced treadwall vs the standard 3.2'' which makes them less likey to balloon but reduces shock absorbation which is never good unless you never jump. If you go to the Big Moabs with more sidewall, great! But now you've got even more tire to power. Either case, you've got alot more strain on your diffs and driveshafts that usually results in bad things or just alot of strain on the motor, nitro's especially.

Hey then showed me a HUGE ass tire that was even bigger then the 40 series that was lying on the counter. The damn thing was like 4'' across and stood 2'' taller then the stock Flux wheel!!

"I'm working a guy's 3.3 Revo that had these guys on it, and he wondered why he burnt out his motor and clutch. Pick that up and imagine a TRX 3.3 trying to move 4 of those"

I picked up and sure enough, that was helluva lot of tire, even just glued to a simple chrome rim. I was starting to think that there actually was something to this.

"Those big ass tires are really meant for crawlers or slow R/C trucks like the Summit or a big ass nitro engine like the Savage XL, something that just won't be going that fast or just has the power to move that much weight, but its still gonna be hard on the drivetrain"

After thinking a few, I stated the following:

"Hmmm, well alot of online peeps state that you should really gear down if want to go that big on tires, but then your loose your speed and cool factor as a result. In which case, it really negates the point of spending the money on a high end brushless truck like the Flux just for it to crawl around at Traxxas Summit speeds with big ass tires "

He replies:

"I would agree with that. Honestly, stock 3.2'' monster tires are really best all around for speed/bashing/and racing with lots of different options. The Maximizer beadlocks would work just fine with brushless like the Flux, just make sure to really crank the beads down and probably tape the insides"

*Sigh* Well, looks like i'll go with some 1/2'' offset white Maximizer beadlocks and some ProLine Badlands after all, the same that I had on my Revo 3.3 two years ago. Owell, I guess a balance of all things sometimes is the best option.

Thanks all for your input and advise, guess I just needed to hear the facts in my face before they sunk in.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...o/olrevo11.jpg

i think your making the right move with not going 40 series. honestly, i was in your exact same position, one year ago. i really wanted 40 series....big joes to be exact too. but after lots of researching, i decided not to go with 40 series. i wanted bigger tires because i could climb over taller objects, but i came to realize that your only able to climb over things just a tad taller vs stock size tires. my friend has tall tires and i can pretty much climb everything he can. it only makes a slight difference. but in some cases, that difference can get you out of a rucust and not get stuck.

there was a guy from a diff. forum that literally tried all the popular tires available, and the best all around tire he used were proline mulchers. they are a bit taller than stock and are pretty light. but the best thing is, they have the BEST traction he has ever seen!! badlands cant even compare to those. and if you want to go a bit taller, second runner up is the losi super bolt ons. they also have better grip/traction than the badlands. definetly consider those two, or at least research those two tires i just mentioned. good luck

Research.
 

CHECK THIS THREAD OUT.

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...8&goto=newpost

I kind of had the same questions that you did, but decided to go the Axial route with 40 series anyway. Gluing is just a PITA and just does not seem right to me. Personally I really like the setup and if you put the wheels together correctly they hold up just fine. As for the extra weight and or strain on your setup well you just have to make sure that you build your truck right for what you are doing with it. IMHO it is like you stated in the first place. If you play with a monster truck it should be big and beefy. That is just what a monster truck is. The stock wheel setup works great and that is why the MFR put them on there in the first place. So it is a personal preference thing as usual. Your not racing with the Pros on a track so the extra weight is not that big of an issue anyway. If you go big you just have to set your truck up to handle whatever you throw at it. If the motor is not fast enough, then go with a bigger motor. If you need stronger diffs, axles, or whatever, then rebuild your truck so it holds up. Thats the thing about this hobby. If you go stock, then you roll with everyone else. If that is your goal, then great. I like building rigs that are bigger, tougher, stronger, and faster then the rest. Your wheels are a big part of this factor and you have to go with what makes you feel happy about your setup. Take a look at that thread of "To glue or not to glue? It has some good tips for making your Axial/40 series wheels work well if that is the look and setup you wish to run. Good luck with whatever you decide, and have fun with it.

IMO With the black body on the flux, go with black beadlocks.

I am custom painting a body with Blue/White/Silver colors, so the stock color will be soon bye bye :yipi:

Similar topic but is a set of Terrapins pushing a stock gearing set up on the Flux on 4s too far? They are 170mm (6.69 inches)

If you really want the 40s then go for it. You'll need to gear down to compensate for the size and weight of the tires, you'll go through wheel bearings faster, and it's harder on driveshafts and diffs but maintenance is all a part of the hobby and if you're getting the wheels/tires that you want I'd say it's worth it. I'm keeping the 40 series tires on my Losi Muggy because I think it looks a lot better with them and I like the way the stock tires perform (Losi 420s are basically 40 series with a different hex, and the stock King Pin tires are great!) I haven't had any wheel bearings go bad in the 100+ hours of hard use I've put on it and I've only killed 1 diff and have since done some work to it to make them last better so IMO it's worth it if you really want them.

Why not go with the Axial 8-spoke wheels that require gluing? They look great!

Why not??
 

If you read his first post he does not want to use glued tires any longer. I feel the same way. I like my Axial beadlocks with 40 series tires. Like I stated if you build your vehicle to stand up to the type of punishment that you throw at it, then you will have the kind of truck you are looking for. You can go two ways with this. Purchase and install the wheels you want and repair whatever breaks in your drivetrain, or look closely at your setup and start getting the upgrades that you know you will need and rebuild your truck once you have everything in hand.

I understood that, but for what his is looking for and is worried about ripping beads, gluing tires are the only way to go.

Tires
 

Picking a good strong set of tires, and following the thread I suggested for building beadlock wheels should get you over the hump. I even use a little thin layer of double sided tape under the metal ring to help keep the tire bead from slipping out of the rim. If you build them correctly they will hold up just fine.

So what kind of laundry detergent do you guys use? My mom used to use the cheap crap and ever since I have had my own place I use Tide. Dunno if it is any better than the cheap stuff, but my clothes always smell good and they seem to be clean. I hated the smell of the cheap crap my mom used so maybe I am just rebelling.

Thoughts?

wtf?

there's a thought :)

My mom always used tide and now I do too:na:

...recently the super-store (relative i know) Cost-Co came to Japan and now we have the pleasure of using an American fabric-softener...BIG green bottle (why is everything in America so BIG?) but it smells great :D The bottle makes for a great kiddie shovel after its emptytoo :D Easy carrying handle :D

...ok...Question...

If you had the choice of 40 series OR Baja 5B wheels on Savage or an Emaxx for example, drivetrain issues aside, which would you choose and why?

...I am thinking Baja...Baja fronts dont seem TOO heavy at all...the bigger rim with the shorter sidewall will makes things nice and smooth too IMO...Thoughts>?

Whats the weight of those baja wheels and tires? must be less than a big joe

...i dont know yet...never had a BigJoe in my hands though...There are so many choices for the Baja tires now, and some of them are quite light (comparatively)...What gets me is the bigger tire but the lower sidewall, also the harder compounds, slightly harder inners and the whole BEADLOCK thing just has me feeling that this would be a better purchase in the long run...

...That said, the baja rears I held in my hands at the LHS were hellishl;y heavy and i pretty much went off them instantly...Still want to try them though...

Ok, so we have

1 vote for Tide

1 vote for Big Green Bottle

And 1 vote for wtf (not sure what brand that is?)

Also, what is a kiddie shovel? Something you sue to bury kids with?

Put another down for Tide...

I'm in the process of buying some Proline Wabash 40 series with large offset and 17mm hexes. When the 2nd pair come in I will commence searching for tires. These will be going on my Savage, which thus far has seen nothing other than Maxx size wheels and Phaltlines.

"RCM members prefer Tide 3 to 1 over the leading competitor (wtf?) in a double dumb thread jack comparison!" "So kids, if you want to be cool like all of the guys playing with tiny cars get some Tide today"

Wow, talk about hijacking a thread!

America DOES have that "bigger is better" attitude, dont we... funny to hear that because I never really think of it.

:BACK ON TOPIC: I personally would not go with either 40 series or baja... just regular old standard MT rims or LPR. Seem lightest and just overall best to me.

(...BitHed mumbles...) these bloody young fellas without their own kids...Cant put up with them and your not allowed to shoot them...

...a kiddie shovel is something that gets thrown in a bag for the 2 year old to use in the sand pit / box at the local park...he can dig up things like dolly heads, cigarette butts and pussy poo...THATS when you need the bucket of Tide ;) We had to ban Baby Bit from using the old garden fork in the playground after he started to pretend he was Bruce Lee with it :angel:

...to 40 or to Baja...That is the new question...

American fabric softener, bleech, etc. is all in such large containers because the enviro-nazis have us convinced that by increasing the size of the container "by just 10%" we'll save trillions of tons of waste plastic every year, so at least once a year we get a new "10% Larger!" container which results in the massive containers you're referring to.

I'd go with Baja tires. Hostile tires hook up well, last forever, and Baja beedlocks actually work. 40 series tires cost almost as much and have MUCH thinner rubber which tears easier.

IDK, its that sh!t you get from Amway. I have like 125lbs of the stuff.

Never heard of that, but it is true that the ratio of surface area to volume goes down as you increase in size ( ie a golf ball has more surface area than a beach ball per unit of volume.)

Can't see how Costco necc helps the enviro considering every fraking thing is wrapped in a clamshell. Still, costco FTW.

Why is everything in Japan so small? ;) We have so much space we have no idea what to do with it.

When I worked for WalMart that's what I was told, and we had to do demos for the newer, larger bottles and one of the points we had to put across to the customer was the SA:V ratio of the new bottle vs. the old one.

Really? lol

I could only imagine trying to explain the efficiencies, cost reductions and waste minimization to some housewife coming in to buy soap in at walmart.
"its cheaper that way" seems an easier sell. :)

No kidding. I think I still hear "It's too heavy now!" in my dreams :lol:

Yeah, yeah, I do not have any kids yet... Please do not shoot me! I figured the kiddie shovel was what you described, but I figured that i would ask just in case you had a legit use for it! Sounds like you have a cute kid, hopefully he does not put anyones eye out!!!

Amway, good god that place (idea?) seems to have gone out of style around here. Good thing, as they always try to get you to join, kinda like a cult. I am glad you have 125lbs of it, but keep in mind you can cut up a liquid detergent bottle and use it as a scoop!

Ok, WTF is with the serious off topicness all of a sudden. :whip:

Proline 40 series mulchers are awesome.
Can get the beadloc rims as well.
Just a thought. :D

Dude, the thread got pointless, too many people saying stuff and no actual info.

So I just weighed some stuff. All in grams.

Big Joe tire w/ foam 294.30

Proline 40 series beadlock (commando?) 173.50

Both of the above on the scale at the same time 467.80

Stock lst2 atx tire and 420 wheel 432.90

The lst2 tires are taller than the big joes, and look better, IMO. The 420 wheels do have 20mm hexes, but you can put those tires on any 40 series wheel. I plan to run them as is on my lst with 20mm hexes. They will be quite a bit heavier than the maximizer beadlock/ badlands combo I run now.

I also have some 40 series crimefighters on different wheels

40 crimes on losi 420 wheel 294.5

40 crimes on proline wabash spoked wheel 233.80

I guess you can see which I will run on the Muggy... Saving 60+ grams per wheel, 240 grams total, that is quite a bit in rotating mass. I was going to run the 420 wheels as I have 20mm hexes, but I think the weight savings is worth picking up 23mm hexes to match the wabash wheels.

I have some other wheels and tires hanging around, I can weigh and measure them up and post a thread if you guys like...

Boy, Linc, you're just an abundance of knowledge today... :lol:

Yeah, I have a few large boxes of tires, so I plan to weigh and measure them all. I started a thread in general discussion about that, and added some more info to what I posted above in that thread.

A few??? I only saw 1...