Plettenberg Maxximum Vs 9L
 

just a quick question how does the Plettenberg Maxximum compare to a 9L as ive just spotted one on e bay heard they are supposed to be good and was considering bidding on it but how would it compare to my 9L

The thing with the Plett. motor is that it is a 4 pole motor where as the Feigao is a 2 pole motor. You'll only be able to run that motor on certain BL controllers where as the 9L is very user friendly. All the Plett. motors I've seen run used the Schulze 18.97 controller which can be pretty expensive, however Schulze and burning up get along good together.

i wouldnt get it because schulze controllers seem to burn up alot and i think schulze is the only company that makes controllers comptatable with the plettenbergs

Besides a Wanderer XL is cheaper, more powerful and some say it is smoother. Oh and its a two pole motor

the plettenberg isnt worth it and i agree with crazy why would you want to get it.

hi
from the experience i have with a BL savage the plettenberg maxximum with fan was about as powerful as a feigao 7XL.
the 2poler is somewhat "nicer" to the controller.
the quality of those motors is not comparable....as well as the price.
and as was mentioned the pletti is a four poler which makes shrinks the choice of for the controllers.
the problem with the schulze are those small 3.5mm plugs that go the motor. one should change them regularly. maybe it would be a possiblity to put some fat wire on those 3.5mm plugs and let them plugged so to say. and then put a 4mm or bigger plug on the other side of the wire to connect the motor. i don't know if it that reduces the problem. havn't tried it yet.
of course there are all the other questions (model, how many cells, gearing etc etc) to consider when choosing an adequate motor.
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rhylsadar

hi thanks for the replys guys i just saw one on e bay in the UK and you cant buy many BL motors or controllers in the UK so wondered if it was worth bidding on to replace my 9L but from what you have said it wouldnt work with my controller so i didnt bother went for £61 about $125

Rhylsadar did you run the big maxximum or the maximum?

hi
maxximum w/ fan.
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rhylsadar

Rhyslader;

i really think that you would notice difference with the maxximum and the 7XL, if your batteries could deliver the power the 7XL needs.

my guess is that your maxximum allready is able to drain the maxx from the batteries, and so is the 7XL. in my case, the 7XL had the same power as the bigmaxximum.

As with all setups; the batteries are the limit.. ;)

hi

yes that might be possible. although those weren't bad batteries. 16cells p&m gp3300.

anyway i think i read somewhere here in this forum that the XL series of the feigaos will deliver around 1200watts. that would be more or less comparable to a maxximum (1000watt). so maybe you could not get the real power out of your 1800watt bigmaxximum. who knows. ;)

in any case the 7XL might be powered with more cells more easily than the maxximum.

concerning the starting question. i think the maxximum is more powerfull than a 9L eventhough i do not own a 9L. but i have driven once a maxx with 9L and i have a 10L wanderer here to be used in a buggy conversion that is powered so far with a maxximum. so there i' ll see the direct comparison.

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rhylsadar

Big max is overpriced...

rhylsadar, your videos always made me think the pletts were great motors. I was planning on buying one for my MT2, but money became the factor, so I went w/ a Feigao 540C 9L. even in your buggy, I can tell that it's got alot more power than a 9L. i've got 20+ videos of 1/8 buggies, and yours is one of the most powerful setups i've seen.

Rhylsader;

the XL can do 2200 watts.

That is, if the batteries deliver the power needed.. ;)

Yeah, and if this is not enough, even the high-end Lehners are cheaper than the Pletts. And they take a whole range of controllers.

hi
yes surely possible. plettenberg said that a maxximum can shortly produce up to 2kw.
whatever i didn't want to claim that a maxximum is as powerful as a XL feigao anytime with any setup. i just mentioned my experience so far.
i think i ll get a big lehner sometime to use with my warrior. the quality of the feigao did not really convice me that much. and the wanderer 9xl i have here looks very much the same. i am not even sure if they really changed something there. nevertheless they are good motors for what they cost.
a lehner 1950 and the like are in the price range of the pletts from what i saw so far. but maybe i missed some sources.
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rhylsadar

Yep, the 1950 is not a cheap motor either. But I can highly recommend them! More motor than our MTs ever need.

Well gee. I have my little motor rated at little over 3000wats of power. It was a little more than the plettenberg. :D

I wonder how they match up torque wise though.

with the 2250, you really don't need to worry about that torque issue Leroy....

im pretty sure your 2250 could beat it :027:

2240 already does, so i wouldn't be too worried.. :D

Well That is good to know. I think the lehner 19 series has more torque than the feigaos do. If the motor makes you happy and satisfied why worry about it though. I am just a hard person to satisfy. :D

It is incorrect to compare plettenberg with XL motors and lehner 19 series and up...

Plettenberg motor can be compared with L-series motors. Being 4-pole motor makes it very torque motor but with limited RPM range. That is why not every ESC will handle it with ease. For example BK controllers do not have protection over high RPM (you can destroy batteries or ESC), while schulze controllers do have that (by limiting RPM). When 4-pole motor used you need to reduce RPM supported by ESC by factor of 2 (compared to 2-pole motor) and then do the comparison.

BK and Scultze can run up to 65000 with 2-pole motors
MGM Compro can do 150000 with 2-pole motors

With 4-pole that would be half and half.

Also plettenberg motor has poles in configuration which creates high magnetic friction (while it can be configured to self-cancelling), which can be useful in some applications and bad in others.

Artur

P.S. Somewhere I was reading that lehner motor are 4-pole motors is that correct? Haven't had one yet...

im pretty sure they are 2 pole but i could be wrong

@GriffinRU
i don't get your argument. the plettenberg maxximum might be compared to the L series. maybe. from all i read and saw it is pretty much more powerful. but the bigmaxximum suerly plays in the same range as the XL motors.
a lehner 1930 is in the range of a maxximum. the 1940 or 1950 are more on the bigmaxximum level.
yes the pletts are 4poler which poses some problems sometimes.
the schulze controllers can to 63'000 rpm with 4polers and double the rpm with 2polers.
i am also pretty sure that the lehners are 2polers.
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rhylsadar

yes, lehners are 2 polers. and the thing with the bk's is that it you run a 4 pole motor then your rpm limit is cut in half. which would be 50,000 rpm's. im not sure of anybody that has tried it but the only way to find out is to try it.

My comment based on overall dimensions. Check side by side picture. Plettenberg motor dimensions are closer to L-series then XL. But has extra features in the can design, which makes it run cooler and overall setup makes it run with better efficiency (in limitted RPM range!) then feigao/nemesis/hacker.

Artur

I checked Bk web-site and now they spec their controllers to 100000 RPM for 2-pole motors. (I assume that this correspond to only new controllers with new software and hardware. Because old ones cannot run at such RPM, tested and verified many times.)

So, now which ESC cannot run 4-pole motor?
And how many of you run motor at 50000+ RPM?

Artur

im pretty sure not many people run there motor over 50000 rpm

Well gee, the little motor on the right going in my 1/5 scale is rated a bit more than your 3000 watts of power :D

http://www.juggernaut23.com/Jugg%20D...g%20Motors.jpg

or if that isn't enough maybe this one on the left below
http://www.lehner-motoren.de/images/s30_groesse.jpg

I couldn't resist lol

chase, thats a bolido correct?

whoa that lehner is HUGEEEEE> HOLY DUMP, where can i get one? :D

HOLY CRAP That Motor is HUGE i wonder what the kv rating is on a motor that size i would hate to pay for that motor i would have to file for bankruptcy

That motor costs 150,00 EURO!!! LOL

...times 4! for the 3080!!

But we really don't need this kind of motor. (unless you want to convert your SUV) :027:

Thats funny...........:005: :D :005:

hey thats a good idea j/k
but man is that huge i want one how much would that cost in U.S. currency

the 3060s are $725 regular price and the 3080s are $850 i think.

i definately wont be able to afford anthing like that anytime soon but it would be neat to have one.
when the motor goes out in my moms car i will make sure we put a few of those motors in it. j/k

i was thinking of one for a e-revo but it would require a 10mm pinion.