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lincpimp 06.02.2009 04:08 PM

Stretched chassis revo based large scale on roader
 
As the title says this is a bit weird.

I took 2 revo chassis, a 2.5 and a 3.3, trimmed on up in front of the tranny area and had my buddy weld them up.

Wheelbase is about 20", stock revo track width. Not sure on the overall length or height of the body.

Not really sure what to power this beast with, maybe a MMM/2200 combo on 6s. I have a set of Mike's hybrid diff cups, and I will have rc alloys make me a rear driveshaft.

Not sure where the foams came from, think they are imex.

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What's_nitro? 06.02.2009 04:12 PM

This will be interesting. Your buddy did a very nice job on the welds!

The Cow 06.02.2009 04:55 PM

Great chassis work my friend! I am looking foward to updates for sure!

Heath

lincpimp 06.02.2009 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by What's_nitro? (Post 292302)
This will be interesting. Your buddy did a very nice job on the welds!

Thanks, He had to grind and fill them a bit, he said the al is not very high quality at all, almost like butter when heated up a bit. I had him sand blast the center section, but I plan to paint it all one color.

Any ideas on the color? I will probably paint the body black to match my lightning... Or blue as I like blue. May do a multi color paint job, this is big enough to tape up easily, and I can use automotive base coat and clear to seal it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Cow (Post 292310)
Great chassis work my friend! I am looking forward to updates for sure!

Heath

I just trimmed and set it up, he did the welds. Thanks!

nitrostarter 06.02.2009 05:05 PM

That thing really is just weird.... LOL

And that body is HUGE!!!

lincpimp 06.02.2009 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrostarter (Post 292312)
That thing really is just weird.... LOL

And that body is HUGE!!!

It should look funny blasting down the street at 55mph... Wind drag is going to be a big concern!

What's_nitro? 06.02.2009 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 292331)
Wind drag is going to be a big concern!

1527 FTW. :smile:

lincpimp 06.02.2009 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by What's_nitro? (Post 292332)
1527 FTW. :smile:

What does FTW stand for? Guess I could google it...

I could do a HV setup with a 1527 that I have laying around... I do not think it will need much more than a 1521 to be honest. The castle 2200 will be tested, on 6s the rpm is high enough that the gearing will not be too extreme. I guess we will see. I will start at 45mph and go up from there.

Ok, looked it up, means "For The Win", I figured it was more like "F*** The World"...

Metallover 06.02.2009 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 292348)
What does FTW stand for? Guess I could google it...

I could do a HV setup with a 1527 that I have laying around... I do not think it will need much more than a 1521 to be honest. The castle 2200 will be tested, on 6s the rpm is high enough that the gearing will not be too extreme. I guess we will see. I will start at 45mph and go up from there.

Ok, looked it up, means "For The Win", I figured it was more like "F*** The World"...

Jesus Linc!... Read all the threads in the Frequently Asked Questions section,, Please!!:rules:

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7440

What's_nitro? 06.02.2009 08:03 PM

:lol:

blueb8llz 06.02.2009 08:03 PM

that is too cool! haha you have some too many projects on your hands now. so how tall are those tires? will this be some sorta onroad vehicle? oops never mind just read the thread title again. i guess it will be. and i must say, that welding job looks like factory. cant wait to see vids
p.s. is that my lst i see in the background?

lincpimp 06.02.2009 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueb8llz (Post 292393)
that is too cool! haha you have some too many projects on your hands now. so how tall are those tires? will this be some sorta onroad vehicle? oops never mind just read the thread title again. i guess it will be. and i must say, that welding job looks like factory. cant wait to see vids
p.s. is that my lst i see in the background?

Yup, that is your lst next to it.

The tires are about 5.5" tall. They use 14mm hex and have the least offset of any wheel tire combo I had. That is when I decided this would be a road vehicle.

Figure I can use P3 rockers, swaybars and some hard springs to get good consistent wheel control on pavement.

I will be making a roll cage of sorts out of brake line to support the body. Make it match the roof and bed to support the body if it rolls. I will also make hidden bumpers/body mounts for the front and rear for addl support.

TruggyLuva 06.02.2009 09:36 PM

You should have kept both the chassis' diff mounts, and ran two 2200 combos, each on 5 cell. That would have been crazy! :party:

SpeedAssault 06.03.2009 12:01 AM

Right Awn ! Too cool Way to go BIG :lol:
anodize it lighting blue or silver

your gonna spin like a drifter on those narrow foams :lol:

Wanna Race ?

lincpimp 06.03.2009 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedAssault (Post 292474)
Right aw ! Too cool Way to go BIG :lol:
anodize it lighting blue or silver

your gonna spin like a drifter on those narrow foams :lol:

Wanna Race ?

I'll race ya...

The foams are surprisingly sticky, plus I can always put some traction compound on them! The chassis will probably just get painted whatever color we are spraying the day I decide to paint it...

mistercrash 06.03.2009 10:56 AM

This is a cool project. In board shocks with cantilever suspension, narrow chassis, hmmmm.... I see an F1 or an Indycar. I thought FTW was for Feed The World.

What's_nitro? 06.03.2009 11:05 AM

Linc I was just thinking it would be really cool if the truck had a working tailgate on it! :wink: :wink:

lincpimp 06.03.2009 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistercrash (Post 292551)
This is a cool project. In board shocks with cantilever suspension, narrow chassis, hmmmm.... I see an F1 or an Indycar. I thought FTW was for Feed The World.

Yes, it would make a cool indy chassis with some mods.

SpeedAssault 06.03.2009 12:25 PM

oh yea I have some of that tire compound.
wish you knew where you got those tires. that's heck of alot easier to mount than my FG wheels with square hub and 5/16 hole :oh:

How did you find the body ? very cool to use a truck, maybe slamm it or do like a stock race car/truck or somethin

Hey Linc did I infect you with the super sizing of a emaxx/revo ? Glad to see someyone else doing it :yipi:

nitrostarter 06.03.2009 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedAssault (Post 292571)
Hey Linc did I infect you with the super sizing of a emaxx/revo ? Glad to see someyone else doing it :yipi:



LOL, nah linc is stretching a bunch of R/C's at the momnet. He's just trying to compensate for shorter lengths...:surprised:

lincpimp 06.03.2009 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedAssault (Post 292571)
oh yea I have some of that tire compound.
wish you knew where you got those tires. that's heck of alot easier to mount than my FG wheels with square hub and 5/16 hole :oh:

How did you find the body ? very cool to use a truck, maybe slamm it or do like a stock race car/truck or somethin

Hey Linc did I infect you with the super sizing of a emaxx/revo ? Glad to see someyone else doing it :yipi:

I got the tires from an old hobby shop that went out of business. I just wish I kept the packaging... I really like projects, and the larger scale stuff is just cool. I have wanted to do a stretched revo for a while, just did not have a body to go on it. This truck will be slammed to the ground, street only!

I will get the number off the body ,and google it to see what it is supposed to be used on, probably a FG or something similar.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrostarter (Post 292573)
LOL, nah linc is stretching a bunch of R/C's at the momnet. He's just trying to compensate for shorter lengths...:surprised:

You liked it, so I guess it was big enough for you. And given your considerable experience with this sort of stuff that says alot. I still cannot believe you spiked my drink, I guess there was no other way...

Overdriven 06.08.2009 08:33 PM

Very cool linc. Nice to see another stretch coming together. The body maybe FG size, but its not FG, Firehammer maybe?. FG has the front grill/headlights in a separate section that bolts on to the main body. Cool body either way, I'm digging the scale street truck look. When my 1/5 e-revo is done more scale looking project is in my future.

lincpimp 12.15.2010 02:19 AM

Back on this after a year or so... Thinking a CC 1520 motor on 6s lipo... Or maybe hv something or other, hell I could go 8s with the 1520 motor.

Need to get the tranny mounted and see how it goes from there. Plan to have all the evenings free between xnas and new year. Hope I can get some work done on this and the 7th scale lighning street.

lincpimp 12.15.2010 02:24 AM

Ok, have a choice between the old emaxx tranny setup as a single speed or an e savage tranny I have laying around. Pretty sure the old emaxx tranny will be stronger.

Here are the speed calc numbers:

E Sav tranny:

Differential Ratio: 3.3076923076923075
Transmission Ratio: 1.736842105263158
Other Ratio: 1
Spur Tooth Count: 46
Pinion Tooth Count: 25
Total Voltage: 22.20
Motor KV: 1577
Tire Diameter (inches): 5.5
Tire Ballooning (inches): 0
Motor Current Draw: 0
Motor Coil Resistance: 0.008
Spur/Pinion Ratio: 1.84 : 1
Total Ratio: 10.57069 : 1
Tire Circumference (inches): 17.28 inches (438.88 mm)
Rollout: 1.63:1
Total Motor Speed: 35009.4 RPM
Vehicle Speed: 54.19 mph (87.05 km/h)
Effective KV Value: 1577

Old Emaxx tranny:

Differential Ratio: 3.3076923076923075
Transmission Ratio: 1.7222222222222223
Other Ratio: 1
Spur Tooth Count: 46
Pinion Tooth Count: 25
Total Voltage: 22.20
Motor KV: 1577
Tire Diameter (inches): 5.5
Tire Ballooning (inches): 0
Motor Current Draw: 0
Motor Coil Resistance: 0.008
Spur/Pinion Ratio: 1.84 : 1
Total Ratio: 10.48171 : 1
Tire Circumference (inches): 17.28 inches (438.88 mm)
Rollout: 1.65:1
Total Motor Speed: 35009.4 RPM
Vehicle Speed: 54.65 mph (87.79 km/h)
Effective KV Value: 1577

Not much difference, so I will likely stick with the emaxx tranny with the gmaxx single speed setup. Need to dig this stuff up. Found my rcm hybrid cases earlier so I just need to scare up some diffs. Might just make the rear driveshaft out of some cut and glued revo sliders.

Overdriven 12.15.2010 09:36 AM

Wow, digging up the old projects! Wasn't this one up for sale at one point? Personally I'd keep it Traxxas with the Maxx tranny.

I did the cut and paste thing for the driveshafts on my stretch chassis Revo, it worked well. Except for the one shaft that came out of the mold bad from the factory, didn't notice it until it slapping the chassis from being out of balance. The thick shafts normally for the wheels will work in the rear. For the front and the lack of room the steering assembly makes, have to use the thinner shafts. Up front mine was double the length and it held up great.

lincpimp 12.15.2010 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overdriven (Post 390575)
Wow, digging up the old projects! Wasn't this one up for sale at one point? Personally I'd keep it Traxxas with the Maxx tranny.

I did the cut and paste thing for the driveshafts on my stretch chassis Revo, it worked well. Except for the one shaft that came out of the mold bad from the factory, didn't notice it until it slapping the chassis from being out of balance. The thick shafts normally for the wheels will work in the rear. For the front and the lack of room the steering assembly makes, have to use the thinner shafts. Up front mine was double the length and it held up great.

Yep. no one wanted it so I figured I would finish it up.

I think the revo driveshafts will work fine, just need to make sure they are straight so I do not have the issue you had.

mac3194 12.15.2010 06:33 PM

looks great!! i wish i had skills like that lol

coolhandcountry 12.15.2010 07:13 PM

I am interested to see it closer to finished product.
Looks good so far.

lincpimp 12.16.2010 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac3194 (Post 390622)
looks great!! i wish i had skills like that lol

Not that difficult, give it a try! Making the tubular roll cage and body mount will be fun... Probably going to use thicker brake tubing and try to bend as much as possible. Welding tube that small is fun...

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolhandcountry (Post 390625)
I am interested to see it closer to finished product.
Looks good so far.

Me too. Just need some time. Kitchen remodel is coming to a close so I will have more free time.

mac3194 12.16.2010 11:39 PM

my next build would probably be a 1/5 scale truggy?? shouldn't be so difficult i like making custom 5th scales. im only able to make thing like this because im in vocational machine shop at my HS and next year i am gonna have 3hrs a day to machine anything i want.

lincpimp 12.17.2010 12:09 AM

I have plans for a 6th scale or so buggy based on lst suspension. Even have some nice big al channel to make a chassis out of. Would like to do 4wd, and I have a 1717 coming for this build.

lincpimp 08.20.2014 12:28 PM

Back on this, 4.5+ years later!!!

Currently cleaning and sifting thru my stash of revo parts.

Since this is going on road and will not need a lot of suspension travel which rocker should I use?

I have decided to use a nitro revo trans, as I have one that is already locked in 2nd gear. And it will bolt right in.

I have ordered 2 heavy duty revo diff cups so I can assemble a pair of 3.3/brushless spec diffs. Given the tire size and use I did not think I really needed to go with a heavier duty diff. The loads from an on road vehicle with smaller tires, etc will be a lot less than a monster truck.

Still undecided on the power system. Need to run some numbers on the various motors that I have. I do have a MMM and a sidewinder 8th esc so 5-6s lipo for power.

lincpimp 08.20.2014 12:40 PM

Had a look and I happen to have a Feigao 14xl motor, 1191 kv. Also have a rcm heatsink/clamp...

Here is the speedcalc:

Differential Ratio: 2.8461538461538462
Transmission Ratio: 2.2941176470588233
Other Ratio: 1
Spur Tooth Count: 36
Pinion Tooth Count: 22
Total Voltage: 22.20
Motor KV: 1191
Tire Diameter (inches): 5.5
Tire Ballooning (inches): 0
Motor Current Draw: 0
Motor Coil Resistance: 0
Spur/Pinion Ratio: 1.64 : 1
Total Ratio: 10.68449 : 1
Tire Circumference (inches): 17.28 inches (438.88 mm)
Rollout: 1.62:1
Total Motor Speed: 26440.2 RPM
Vehicle Speed: 40.49 mph (65.04 km/h)

Load on the motor might be too much? Motor rpm under 30k, and the primary gearing is high at 1.64:1. Dunno, guess I will give it a try. Total weight should not be too bad considering the size.

Manne 08.27.2014 02:20 PM

Nice! Keep going I really like to see this project finished:yes:

I´ve had a bunch of feigao´s... They always seem to run hot :lol:. I vote like you, give it a try and see if it goes lava:diablo:

lincpimp 08.27.2014 04:31 PM

Thanks, I would like to see it done too!!!

I may put the feigao in my slayer pro build and pickup a complete sidewinder 8th system for this project.

I have the rear mostly built, need to clean the front parts and assemble that.

I was looking at the rear center driveshaft length. Looking like I need to make a carrier bearing and then use a pair of revo wheel driveshafts to transfer power to the rear diff.


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