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Chris911 02.03.2006 03:34 PM

forward is reverse?
 
ok i just installed UE 8 diffs and a new trans and when i pull the triger to go forward it's reverse and if i pull the trigger to go backwards it's forward......what do i have wrong?

maxxdude1234 02.03.2006 03:51 PM

All you've done is installed your diffs the wrong way round. You should be able to reprogram your controller to spin the motor the other way. If you've got a warrior, just plug your batts in and pull out the red programming jumper (on the controller), and when the motor beeps, put it back in. This will change the motor direction.

Serum 02.03.2006 04:31 PM

Quote:

just plug your batts in and pull out the red programming jumper (on the controller), and when the motor beeps, put it back in. This will change the motor direction.
this really is new to me?

normally you need to change 2 of the 3 wires that go to the motor. (so says the user manual)

squeeforever 02.03.2006 05:36 PM

serum, if you have read the sticky on how to program the controllers, im pretty sure its in there.

maxxdude1234 02.03.2006 06:41 PM

Both methods (changing wires or red jumper) will work.

coolhandcountry 02.03.2006 07:21 PM

If you have program cable you can change it to. So there are three ways to do this. ;)

Chris911 02.04.2006 12:15 AM

I have the HV......so how can i fix it with the Novak esc? If i can't all i gotta do is switch the diffs around?

squeeforever 02.04.2006 12:52 AM

im not sure if you have reverse the hv but you can always reverse the tranny.

Chris911 02.04.2006 12:54 AM

If i switch the diffs around will i be ok?

Chris911 02.04.2006 02:08 AM

I switced around the diffs and it was still backwards? So i fliped around the tranny and now forward is forward but can you run it like that? The guard that covers the spur gear will not go on. I never used it anyway.

Chris911 02.04.2006 02:21 AM

come on guys what do i have wrong? with the trans backwards the center cvds hit the bottom on the chassis i also have the G1 trans installed.

squeeforever 02.04.2006 02:30 AM

yea, you can run it reversed. flipping the diffs would have corrected the problem. also, what chassis are you using? gorilla? if im not mistaken if you reverse the tranny your not gonna be able to put it in the rear. you would have to switch the cvds and then switch it to the front.

HotnCold 02.04.2006 10:34 AM

Flip the diffs - Thats probably the easiest way

Chris911 02.04.2006 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HotnCold
Flip the diffs - Thats probably the easiest way

Flip the diffs? I did the diff that was in the front is now and in the rear or do you mean somethingelse....and yes i still have the stock chassis.

Chris911 02.04.2006 11:06 AM

I think the UE's are put togeather wrong. When compared to the stock diffs.... if i turn the stock diffs they both go in opositive directions when i turn the UE's they both go in the same direction.....is this whats wrong? That would explain why nothing changed when i switched fron and rear diffs around.

But if i turn around the tranny it runs right.

Chris911 02.04.2006 11:18 AM

help me someone help me. :(

Chris911 02.04.2006 12:37 PM

If i flip them so they turn the right way they wont fit in. The 2 little bars that hold them in are at the wrong place and you can't move them like you can on the stock ones.

Chris911 02.04.2006 12:48 PM

anyone alive out there?

boss 302 02.04.2006 01:02 PM

calm down what kind of diff cases do you have a pic would also be helpful

squeeforever 02.04.2006 01:03 PM

what you do is switch the front diff to the rear and the rear to the front if you are not using hybrids.

Chris911 02.04.2006 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boss 302
calm down what kind of diff cases do you have a pic would also be helpful

Like i said it my very first post UE.

Chris911 02.04.2006 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squeeforever
what you do is switch the front diff to the rear and the rear to the front if you are not using hybrids.

I did that and it still did not work. :(

boss 302 02.04.2006 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris911
Like i said it my very first post UE.

all you said was that you installed the 8 spider diffs i didnt know if you had the hybrids anywho i think you should be able to rebuild the diffs and put the ring gear opposite to were it is now

Sylvester 02.04.2006 01:13 PM

Chris, just flip that little brace that is giving you troubles, i had the same problem, but i flipped the little brace thingy and it fit:)

Chris911 02.04.2006 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sylvester
Chris, just flip that little brace that is giving you troubles, i had the same problem, but i flipped the little brace thingy and it fit:)

They wont flip like the stock ones will. Guess i have to open them up.

boss 302 02.04.2006 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sylvester
Chris, just flip that little brace that is giving you troubles, i had the same problem, but i flipped the little brace thingy and it fit:)

im pretty sure he said the brace wouldnt flip but if it would it would make it a lot easier on him but like i said i think putting the ring gear on the opposite side that it is on right now would work

Mike.L 02.04.2006 01:29 PM

have you tried anything with the wires or your controller??

Papa 02.04.2006 01:53 PM

You have the diffs in the cases backwards, left to right. You need to open up each diff case and flip the differential ring gear so that it rides on the opposite side of the case. T maxx and emaxx run in opposite directions and the ring gear will be pced on either side depending on your application. If all else fails read the manual!http://www.unlimitedengineering.com/...nsV1.1-Web.pdf


3.3.2. Ring gear to pinion setup. You will now setup the ring and pinion. You will do
this by moving shims from side to side on the carrier, and by adjusting the amount of
shims on the pinion which will adjust the pinion depth.
3.3.2.1. Begin with two of the .010” shims on the pinion shaft, then install the 2
bearings, slip it down into the housing and put the pinion drive cup on, gently
squeeze them together as you snug up the M5x5 SHSS (Socket Head Set Screw).
3.3.2.2. Set the ring gear (with shims and bearings) down inside one of the case halves.
The inside of the cases have been marked with an “N” for ‘Nitro” and an “E” for
‘Electric.’ You will put the ring gear on the side that is correct for your application.
The reason for this is that by putting the ring gear on one side or the other it will reverse the direction of
rotation for the input shaft for the same output direction (forward motion of the truck.) The pinion for Nitro
trucks rotate one direction and Electrics rotate the other, therefore it is necessary to install the ring gear
on the correct side for your application. If you don’t, the truck will go backwards when it should be going
forward.
3.3.2.3. Set the pinion assembly down in the case, put the other case on and close it up.
Gently squeeze the cases again like you did when setting up the carrier. Close this
up evenly, remember these are high precision cases, getting them cocked like in this
picture can damage the seating areas.
3.3.2.4. Spin the pinion. Feel for free, smooth motion. You will probably not get it as
this setup is usually too tight.
3.3.2.5. Since this is usually an interference setup, but gives you a good starting point,
remove one of the .010” shims on the pinion shaft and try
again. When you go to reassembly, hold the carrier in the
housing perpendicular and look for a small gap between
the end of the pinion and the body of the carrier. You do
want a small gap here.
3.3.2.6. Check for free movement. It is normal for one spot
in the rotation to be slightly tighter than the rest as no
ring and pinion no matter how precision is perfect, you
are shimming for NO tight spots w/o having excessive
backlash.
3.3.2.7. Now comes the tricky part, you must decide to take
either shims out on the pinion or transfer them from one
side to the other on the carrier. Try to do this in balance,
neither shifting the carrier too far nor the pinion too far.
I normally fi nd that in the end I have between .005”
and .010” shims on the pinion and .010”-.020” more
shims on the carrier side than the ring gear side. Pay
attention to what your ears are telling you as you go
through this process. When you get it, even the ‘sound’
will be nicer, motion will be smooth, and backlash will be
minimal.
3.3.2.8. Add the case screws and check again. The fi nal
squeeze down of the screws may affect what you’ve
done so far, in which case you’ll need to do a little more
shimming.
3.3.2.9. Remove the pinion set screw, apply Red Loctite to it
and reinstall. TIGHTEN. While I normally caution people
not to overdo it with fasteners you MUST make sure you
get this one good and tight. Some guys will even go so
far as to take a small drill bit and spot face the pinion
shaft where the set screw will seat. The jury is still out on
the usefulness and wisdom of this modifi cation.
3.3.2.10. Leave assembled for now. You will install the
output shafts before disassembly so you cannot lose the
shims or the location of the shims.
Some potential mistakes:
Not counting correctly when moving or exchanging shims.
Not having the bearings fully seated in their pockets
Not installing the pinion drive cup consistently.
Take your time on this step. A good setup only needs be
done once as long as you are consistent in the way you
assemble the gears.

HotnCold 02.04.2006 05:02 PM

What papa posted is correct - by flipping the diffs - not switching front to rear - should do it - and pics ( if possible ) would help also...

MonsterMaxx 03.15.2006 04:48 PM

You cannot simply 'flip the diffs' like you could with stock housings and turn the support collar around because the support posts are a part of the housing.

As the above user notes you did not read and/or follow the instructions. It's pretty clear in there that if you have a Nitro that you put the ring gear on the side of the case with the large 'N' engraved in it. If you have an electric you put the ring gear on the side with a large 'E' engraved in it.

At this point you have assembled it with the ring gear on the 'N' side which is why it goes backwards in your 'E'lectric vehicle.

You 'may' be able to simply turn the carrier around inside the case, however this will likely cause you to do the setup again,,,which may be a good thing. Since you didn't read/follow the instructions on a major point like which side to install the ring gear on, chances are you didn't follow some of the finer points as well.
There's lots of good info in those instructions, please read them.

I'm not bashing on you, we've all been there. Opened up a new gee-wizz and put it together without ever considering [instrustions] and thereby done it wrong.
Don't worry, reading the instructions won't make you any less of a man.:002:

Serum 03.15.2006 04:53 PM

MM, one q for you; the ringgears and the pinions are helical cut, and isn't it a fact that helical cut gears have got a favorite way of turning?

I can't remember if it was the E or the T side in your diff, that made them turn in the 'best' direction but with electric, you can just reverse the motor to get it right.


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