CC/Neu vs Losi Xcelorin vs Tekin T8 motors
 

How do the following motors compare to one another. I believe all are 4-pole (though I can't find any info on the Tekin). Prices aren't that far apart from each other.

CC/Neu 2200kV
Losi Xcelorin 2100kV or 2400kV
Tekin T8 2250kV

The Xcelorin motors seem to be the smallest at 67mm long while the Tekin is the longest at 76mm, and the CC/Neu closely behind at 75mm. The Tekin says it's sensored, but can run sensorless.
How do they compare in performance, power, torque, heat, etc.?

Thanks.

I wish I could chime in, however I don't have any experience with the Losi or Tekin systems, only a Neu 1512 which has served me well for the last 2 years in a BL Revo.

Just judging, the Tekin and CC/Neu system would perform very similarly, only the Tekin is yet an unproven system still as not very many users have it. Although, I would like to get the Tekin myself in time.

The Losi system is smaller, so if they have the same efficiency as the CC/Neu or Tekin, then it would run hotter obviously, but still more than enough power really.

All three systems are 4-pole yes, if I'm not mistaken.

Come on guys, there has to be someone that has ran at least two of these setups? :oh:

Lets see... Who specializes in designing brushless systems and who requests a brushless system to be made from a company overseas? Tekin and Castle design and destribute there stuff, while the Losi does not design their stuff. I've never tried a tekin esc, but i have both tekin and castle motors. It's quite apparent that tekin put in a lot more effort to design the motors than castle. The tekin has solder tabs and the stator seems to have been been engineered for the least amount of cog torque (very easy to spin by hand). The castle is basically a copy of the neu motors with a few changes to make them more suitable for cars. Both are great motors, nonetheless. My tekin is a 1900 kv 1.5Y and my castle is a 2650 1Y so it's hard to compare temps. The tekin definatly runs a good 20-35 degrees cooler even when geared for 50 mph on 5s.

speedybl -

How is the throttle response with the T8? I read another thread/review of the T8 where the person said there was a delay in response when he hit the throttle. The T8 does look quite nice.

Are you sure it wasn't the RX8 esc that had the delay? I can't see the motor causing it.

No, not sure. It's the only other review I've seen on the RX8 and T8. It probably was a setup issue that the guy had with the RX8, but I just want to confirm the motor doesn't contribute to that.

i would say the castle motor. i love mine its a copy of a neu. but made for a car. so in this case its better than a neu. at least i think so. i have ran a tekin but sold it do to the rotor split. they got a replacement but i sold it as the caste motor is a tank. never have any problems with them vs. tekin. the only problem is limited kv choices

Both my original "black can" neu 1515's have served me wonderfully for the last two years, got em up to 200F a few times with no worries, just trying to push em to the limit in 105F oklahoma summer heat lmao, i finally made the MMM fan come on!!!! for like 10secs lmao. But if mine is not as well suited to a car than the castle copy then it should be a good one, if one of my neu's ever goes out(god forbid!!) i'll get either a castle or tekno neu, until the T8 has been tested by the consumers throughly then i'll stick with Neu and its copies.

A few ppl have had separated rotors or cracked rotors when they first came to market, but I am pretty sure Tekin has addressed the issue, an I personally am very interested in getting one for sure. Like SpeedyBl said, I like the fact it has solder posts (as ppl have been complaining about motor not having that for years)and the sintered rotor, which in theory should increase efficiency over the standard Neu rotor, although might not be as strong which could be why the first ones were breaking?

The T8's just look like they are better quality when you look at it, better built.

I thought the Neu and CC/Neu motors used sintered rotors also. What do they use?

Were the rotor problems on the Tekins on the T8 motors or their smaller long-can 1/10 motors? The T8 motors look like completely different animals compared to the rest of the Tekin motor lineup. I'm hoping that means improved in all ways.

The lazy side of me likes the pre-installed wires of the CC/Neu, but I also like the ability to change the wires more easily should they ever be damaged as is available with the T8.

castle uses Kevlar thread to wrap the rotor, neu uses carbon.

On second thought, I think you are right... :tongue: Me forgets things like that, I'm just confused... no, wait maybe I'm not? :mdr:

I've looked into several mainstream 1/8 motors to find they have very similar structure. All are 4 pole rotors, 12 slot cored stators. All have their rotor magenet pieces fiber wrapped, either with carbon or with Kevlar. Even the rotor diameters are very close, 18~19mm. The difference is in the details. Rotor balancing, winding leads, bearings, sensors...... and brands.

well, all I can tell you is my experience with a Neu 1515/1.5d and a T8 2650.

motors were used in two different vehicles: a Jammin X1-CRT and an Ofna (or is it Hobao) Hyper 7, cells ranged from 2S to 5S

Here's what I noticed:

Neu 1515/1.5D
Tons of power, reliable and is definitely worth the price I paid for it. Rarely got over 130F. Of course, it would cog a little bit (both with a MMM and a RX8) at low speeds, but sweet mother of everything brushless would it open up a can of monkey stomp at WFO throttle. 5S usage was plain ridiculous; there ain't no way you can use that kinda power on race day. Unless, of course, you plan on going no higher than halfway through the throttle pull on your gun.

4S usage is a little more manageable. Say goodbye to the foams in your tires, though; a couple of wide f'n open throttle pulls down the straight will result in either your rig ending up on it's lid or tires the size of paper plates. Yes, I put duct tape on the inside of the tires. And no, it didn't help.

2S and 3S is where it is most happy...and where you get the best combination of speed and control. And temperature. You can probably get similar or lower temps on a 4S, but only if your name is "Johnny Magic Fingers". I'm talking about SMOOTH throttle control. Like my silk boxers smooth. Or smoother.

Summation: get it if you can afford it. You won't be disappointed.


Tekin Redline T8, 2650kv

Meh, a decent motor with less power than the Neu, but not too bad considering it's a smaller motor. Temps run a little hotter than the Neu, so I wonder about efficiency. Also cogs a little less than the Neu when run without the sensor lead, but seemed to be an absolute slug when the sensor lead was on. Your results may vary. I'm thinking it was a problem with the settings on the RX8 which led to it being such a donkey...again, however you decide to program the timing will more than likely dictate how she'll react/run in the finer points of a race (mid-air correction, cogging coming out of turns, etc)

Summation: Good power, could possibly be less efficient (higher temps) but looks to be sturdily built.



I hope this helps. I may not have covered everything, but please feel free to ask me any questions. :)

Both take off exactly the same. If you didn't know, you wouldn't be able to tell which motor was running, aside from the slight top speed difference between the two. The tekin 1900 kv on 5s is definately more powerful and runs cooler than the 2650 on 4s.

hobao is the over seas name of ofna. but the hypers are still called hobaos over here

Hi,

I have the losi 1700 kv motor for about 7 months now. I have written a review in the forum.

After many great runs there are only a few negative points about the motor:

1. The screws of front/endbell can break (!!), once its broken, it's hard to get the bloody rest of the screw out of the endbell.

2. The kevlar-wrapping of the rotor can get damaged by dirt, which gets into the motor by the various mounting holes of the front endbell. They say that you can get a replacement rotor with the better carbon wrapping easily.
Well, not here in Germany. There is almost no support. The distributor in Vienna (responsible also for germany) first has never heard about those rotors, later never got some. I tried to get a new rotor, impossible.

Finally I have put super glue on the kevlar to avoid more damage, did that for 3 times, and sealed the not used mounting holes. it works.

3. As the losi 1/8 stuff is not that common here, it's almost impossible to get the proper heatsink. And if, it's far too espensive. I use two good fans, temps are ok like that. I won't order just one single piece in the us... that's senseless. like that temperatures are between 45-60 degrees c/113-140f. only a few times got over 70 deg. c.


But there are many good points about that motor.

1. It has plenty of power and torque. The rotor is balanced. As I now have a torsen center diff, I had to reduce (!!) timing down to 1 degree, otherwise it's too much power for the buggy. and I have already added weight to the front. With the normal center diff and 100k oil I used 7 deg. timing, and it was plenty of power. What I really like, is the massive torque of the 1700 on 5s.

2. It has massive bearings, the front is in a very common size and easy to replace (had to replace it twice due to sand and dirt). And I like the M4 mounting holes.

3. Except those stupid screws, overall quality is very good. Power is excellent.

4. Price: you can get the motor for around 85-90,- euro (120 usd), which is ok.

I only can speak for the 1700kv motor, I think it's just a great motor, but highly underrated. Losi is doing a bad job in regards of PR. Losi electronics have a bad standing here in europe, as their 1/10 stuff seem to be cr*p. Further, the xcelorin 1/8 esc is not available for months now. Losi electronics are not "sexy", compared to cc - mmm. There are so many - especially just recently and w/ 6s - blown mmm here in Germany. Still, people think it's great stuff etc. Well, they say they have great customer service; I think they have to, with all these problems... but thats off topic.

I think I am one out of a few here in germany, using a losi xcelorin motor. The other day I was competing (frankenstein's ride - hyper 7) a little bit with some guys with hpi bayas, on soft/sand ground; at least I was same fast (or even faster)... I would buy that motor again.

florian
owner of a BL-Frankenstein's ride

BUSAFIED, how do you have cogging coming out of a corner?

I have no personal experience with any of the combos. I have a mmm and a 1515 2.5d and a Medusa 36-70-1600. From what I have seen on the track the Losi's don't have as much power as a mmm combo. For awhile i was being classed with the buggies and I could pull on them anyplace on the track. They where a bit more precise drivers than me but I was still running top 3 each time I raced them

i have no knowledge of these motor either so i was reading through and checking them out and i came across this. Would this be another option or even in the same class

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...s-Motor-1500KV

it doesn't happen often, but it does happen to me. :neutral: I think it's more attributed to my AWESOME skills of tapping the brake too much in the corner (in an attempt to get the ass end to swing around) which then results in my corner speed dropping down just about nil.

in an attempt to get back in the running, I goose the throttle to about 75%, which results in a frustrating surge-cut-surge behavior. :whip:

and it always happens at the same turn, too.

brushlessready -
Yeah, those Tekno motors look to be the same class. They look pretty interesting too, though without the Tekno conversion kit, I have to drill the chassis. Should be really secure though. Their 2200kV motor looks interesting.

Looks like the HPI Flux Tork motor is about the same price range also and it's identical to a CC/Neu aside from the heatsink can (finned on CC/Neu, separated finned on HPI).

So, CC/Neu 2200kV, HPI Tork 2200kV, Tekin T8 2250kV, and Tekno 2200kV. Damn, wish I had more money. I'd love to be able to try out all these motors!