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Vital 02.08.2006 08:50 PM

Why Electric?
 
why do most of you guys like electric no gas i mean gas is able to go through puddles and stuff electric couldn't you'd have to be carefull is it the speed? or the maintance bcuz unlike some ppl i'd rather play around and use what i learn on a gas car

boss 302 02.08.2006 08:57 PM

electric is more efficient quieter and is easier to work on and you dont have to by expensive gas for them

avery4jc 02.08.2006 09:02 PM

Plus keep in mind just because your power comes from a tiny gas engine you DO still have electronics on you truck. Keep that in mind next time you go through a puddle!
All it would take is for your throttle/brake servo to get dunked without protection and there goes your nitro truck screaming down the street.
One last thing to remember is that electric motors can run in water w/ cleaning, for that matter some guys used to break them in under water, yeah under. Where as w/ nitro engines they will rust and die after just one puddle if you don't clean them.
Run what ya' like but those are the facts vital.

boss 302 02.08.2006 09:05 PM

Electric is is just better

coolhandcountry 02.08.2006 09:10 PM

I have a nitro truck. I have a few electric. I like the electric in some ways and nitro in some. The electric is just instant power. There is no wind up.

Vital 02.08.2006 09:24 PM

well, i just like gas bcuz i can maintance it more i like to play with things on my car see what effects what, etc..... i just think electric is just upgradable and i went through puddles half the size of the truck nothing was damaged

MetalMan 02.08.2006 09:25 PM

My biggest problem with nitro when I ran it was the fuel. On my vehicle, it made a mess everywhere and was a pain to clean up. With electric, the only thing to clean up is dirt, whereas with nitro I would have dirt caked onto parts from nitro fuel. I have other reasons, but they have already been stated.

boss 302 02.08.2006 09:28 PM

really the own similarity that i can find between a car and a nitro that electric doesnt have is that a car and a nitro rc both have a carb and gas tank

boss 302 02.08.2006 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetalMan
My biggest problem with nitro when I ran it was the fuel. On my vehicle, it made a mess everywhere and was a pain to clean up. With electric, the only thing to clean up is dirt, whereas with nitro I would have dirt caked onto parts from nitro fuel. I have other reasons, but they have already been stated.

i heard of a guy that dropped his cigarrete on the body of his car and and it burst into flames because of nitro fuel spilled on the body

MetalMan 02.08.2006 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boss 302
i heard of a guy that dropped his cigarrete on the body of his car and and it burst into flames because of nitro fuel spilled on the body

That would suck! Of course, batteries can catch on fire too... It's less likely than nitro fuel, as long as everything is done properly.

boss 302 02.08.2006 09:37 PM

nitro fuel is definately easier to catch fire than batteries as a few of my friends have experimented with the explosive properties of nitro fuel

Scott711 02.08.2006 09:48 PM

I started with gas and now having done electric I think electric is much easier to trouble shoot and keep running at its peek ( no carb adjustments etc.). Also you can tweak your setup and runnig gear at your kitchen table or shop bench. Try firing up a nitro anywheres but outside and see how long before you get overcome with fumes :036: . Performance is also better, these brushless beasts just flat get up and go when you hit the throttle. Also with my new lipo setup I can get 20+ minutes of runtime and that's with it geared to hit the 40mph mark. Like avery4jc said "run what ya like" but me personnaly having played with both I would never go back to nitro. One last thing is staying in the good graces of your negihbors if your so inclined to do that. :027:

boss 302 02.08.2006 09:50 PM

especially for me after seeing these brushless beasts i never will go nitro but run what ya like

coolhandcountry 02.08.2006 09:59 PM

I have ran nitro. I left it for a while and got back into electric. I have bought another nitro since. I have a few things about the nitro I like. Just like electric more. There is more likes about electric than dis likes.

boss 302 02.08.2006 10:02 PM

nice signature Coolhand

nbcaznmaster 02.08.2006 10:50 PM

i went from electric to gas, to electric, to gas, and now both. Honestly, i preffere electric motre. I bet u never seen a electric racer, not race cuz his car flammed out?

boss 302 02.08.2006 10:53 PM

[QUOTE=nbcaznmaster] Honestly, i preffere electric motre. QUOTE]
work on your spelling nbcazn

nbcaznmaster 02.08.2006 11:33 PM

lol, im a horrible speller, and type really really fast.

crazyjr 02.09.2006 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vital
why do most of you guys like electric no gas i mean gas is able to go through puddles and stuff electric couldn't you'd have to be carefull is it the speed? or the maintance bcuz unlike some ppl i'd rather play around and use what i learn on a gas car


Why not? everybody has a preference, my dad liked nitro and i liked electric. I used to race slotcars and was good at it, about ten years ago they went out of business and i needed a new hobby. At that time nitro was an elite racing exotic and not many couldtune them, so i stuck with what i knew. I have got a couple of nitro's and learn something about them every time i run them, but i prefer electrics.

NBCAZN we have a spell check now and i could do without the headache's. I never read anything of yours over three lines:032: :007: :002:

Re~Mix 02.09.2006 12:05 AM

Well, what is the point of being able to type amazingly fast if nothing you ever write will be easily decifered by a reader? Personally, proper spelling comes first and then the speed comes with time and practice. Going to a college prep school has given me plenty of opportunities with the numerous essays.

I would have to say that the number one reason I do not run nitro is simply the mess! Nitro, dirty, clay and unmentionable substances everywhere. So, like many before me, I have taken the durability of nitro, and the reliability of electric and mixed them together. Although I have yet to take the plunge into lipo. I doubt I ever will unless I discover oil in my back yard.

MetalMan 02.09.2006 12:08 AM

There's a spell check in the Quick Reply boxes, it's the ABC with a check through it. Download the software (look at the thread in the lounge) if you haven't already.

As for an electric "flaming out", I had an incident where I was racing my 1/8 electric buggy, and the announcer said, "And the electric flames out!" This was due to bad battery mounting which caused a battery bar on the NiMhs (that I was borrowing from Dabid, since my Lipo pack just got damaged) to break. Had the pack been secured better, this wouldn't have happened.

Basketti 02.09.2006 06:06 AM

i like nitro cause of the noise and the ease of filling the tank and going again. but i like electric cause of how quiet it is and its more practical. I can play with my electric around home without disturbing anyone. my dog prefers electric aswell, he liked to play with my emaxx but he wanted to kill my savage lol. So now im getting a savage so i can run it nitro when i want and im making it brushless so i can play with it everyday around home.

dabid 02.09.2006 05:00 PM

I can drive any of my cars inside my house, anytime....nitro just can't do that.

wishmasstir 02.11.2006 10:45 PM

i like the nitros more because of the realism you get while running them. with a temp guage i can run all day with my nitros, 150cc tanks get you 25 minutes nicely. whenever i'm bored with one of the nitros i pull out an electric one, i don't have any brushless ones yet so i can understand why you guys like electric better and i don't yet. its a pain to take 20 batteries with me and have them all charged up where i run. i don't take the trucks to a track that other guys race at since there isn't one closer than 100 miles from me... i take them to motorcross tracks and bmx tracks usually in the middle of the woods, strapped to the nerf bar on the quad...no plugs for the chargers out there.

BrianG 02.12.2006 12:11 AM

What I like about electric:

- Much less noise
- Ability to run indoors
- Less mess from Nitro
- Less maintenance
- Better torque
- No break in
- No glo-plugs to replace
- No trouble starting
- Less tinkering to get it right (I always seem to be adjusting the needles for the weather that day).
- Don't have to keep buying fuel.
- BL Motors generally last longer than Nitro engines and only require new bearings to rebuild, so are cheaper to rebuild when necessary.
- Require fewer servos and mechanical linkages (less things to go wrong).
- Having or not having reverse is a simple programming change.

When I got my Revo, I was really on the fence between the E-Maxx and the Revo because I really wanted electric, but the Revo was just too damn cool to pass up, so I got that :) Now that I'm working on my E-Revo, I'll have two Revos and the best of both worlds (in my opinion at least).

MetalMan 02.12.2006 01:09 AM

Just today I was out driving my Traxxas electric Rustler. This is nowhere near stock, with the only stock parts being:
-front body mounts
-steering bellcrank
-lower part of rear shock tower
-rear suspension arms
-diff gear and top gear
-slipper clutch

This was my first run on 4s Lipo, and the power is just stupid! No traction could be gotten on loose dirt with HPI Yokohoma tires all around. I was at the park with my friend who has a Traxxas Nitro Rustler (2.5). His vehicle is stock for the most part. He was having a problem with one of his rear CVDs where the ball kept popping out of the cup on the right side after 10 seconds of driving. He adjusted the camber so that it was very negative, and raised the shocks on the shock tower to lower the ride height.

Anyways, each time he had to fix this, he had to stop the engine. I would sometimes help him, and just leave my electric Rustler sitting there, waiting for a throttle input. Once he was all fueled up, he stuck his Rustler on my other friend's starter box (EZ-Start wasn't working). The engine always started right up, and of course my Rustler was already on and ready to go. His nitro engine would take time to spool up, which was noticeable since the tires wouldn't throw dirt immediately like mine would. Mine was also a lot quieter, and you almost couldn't hear it! Overall, I think my electric performed better. Tomorrow I am off to a long stretch of street to hopefully go over 60mph!

starscream 02.12.2006 03:44 AM

I race my brushless MT's against nitro's mostly because there are no other electrics to race against around here. The track is in-doors but even with the ventilation, the gas fumes are obnoxious. It's also recommended to wear ear plugs because, if you don't, your ears will be ringing by the time you leave :007:

wishmasstir, If you are going out in the middle of the woods to race rc's, all you need is a lead acid car/boat battery and you'll have power for electrics for most of a day. You can easily haul a DC battery out there if you're riding a quad :018: There's always a way around the lack of A/C power.

I can hardly stand corner marshaling for 1/8th scale buggies. Talk about fumes? My eyes and lungs start burning everytime I have to corner marshal for them :dft004:
I almost feel like I need to start wearing a hazmat suit to the races :037:

It's also easy to kill a nitro motor while corner marshalling. If you accidently cover the exhaust, oopsy... my bad :005:
Try killing a BL that easily.
Also, flame outs during a race are frustrating. That's something I don't mind not having to worrying about.

Sneeck 02.12.2006 04:02 AM

No tuning. On the past 4 huge meeting's(over 30 nitro's) there where 3 brushless maxx's including mine. We could plug 'n play, but the other nitro's(mostly savage's) had starting trouble's. They never ran good on these meeting's. And then it is quite fun to drive with the same power without makeing any noise or having starting issues, just plug in your battery's and go.

Killing a brushless is easy, just unplug 1 battery connector...

starscream 02.12.2006 04:30 AM

Funny thing with these battery connectors, nitro's have them too :eek:

Sneeck 02.12.2006 04:40 AM

`Cept they got them safely in a receiver box.

starscream 02.12.2006 04:52 AM

Yup, most of my receiver boxes are made by Proline :005:

wishmasstir 02.12.2006 10:44 AM

this topic is neverending ... lugging a car battery in the woods would be a very big pain though on the quad. very heavy and don't want to spill it...just what i'm looking for spilling acid on my nerf nets. then i'm assuming i have to take the charger/s also. i guess the nice thing would be running the nitro while i was charging some batts.

that rustler ... 2.5...thats about the worst motor i've ever ran. starting problems is because its not tuned right, carry a temp guage in your pocket and check the temp here and there and you don't have start up/flame out problems. the price difference in starting out into the hobby is where i like nitro also. the cost of a rc10gt rtr w/all your goods to run and a gallon of fuel is $300. a rc10t4 rtr then add a good charger and 2 battery packs and your over $400 now make that t4 run with my gt your looking at another 200 or so for bl...and until i dish out b/l flow i'll be running my nitros more *speaking of...if you have a cheap brushless setup that would work in an emaxx stampede or t4 let me know wishmasstir@hotmail.com*

crazyjr 02.12.2006 12:41 PM

There are batteries that are half the size of a carbatteries that can power a charger like a motorcycle battery or a gelcell, you cah even get a sealed hobby starter battery that should be good for a day of r/cing that are smaller than a car battery(like 1/3 the size). if you can get to it by car you can use the battery in the car and not have to carry it

coolhandcountry 02.12.2006 02:25 PM

Don't the atv have a battery on it? Mine sure does.

Sylvester 02.12.2006 02:39 PM

Yes, basicly all atv's have batteires because they have lights/turn signals and some electric start.

squeeforever 02.12.2006 02:39 PM

yup, they sure do. the main reason they have to have them is, like sylvester said, the lights, ect. but also the electronic ignition although if that was the only thing it was needed for they wouldnt have one. they would just use a magneto on the crank like dirtbikes. i would say the BEST way if you dont have power is a jump starter for a car. some even have a a/c outlet. not to mention it wouldnt really take bl to make a t4 run with a gt. about $50 for a mod motor and thats about it.

coolhandcountry 02.12.2006 02:47 PM

Why do you have to take it in the woods? The neighbors don't mind the noise of the electric. Just the nitro.

Sylvester 02.12.2006 02:57 PM

He might not have any good places to bash near his place....

wishmasstir 02.12.2006 05:29 PM

i can bash in the yard i guess but i don't have 50 foot doubles in my yard ... i have them at my motorcross track in the woods. i don't have neighbors to complain about the noise of anything either.

a lot of quads dont have batteries, mainly sport/race quads which is what i run on the track.

don't mod motors wear out fast and suck up batteries even faster??? how much run time could i get with a set of lipos in my stampede with a reedy quad mag 19t and novak racer-ex esc??? sorry not really the place for these questions....

crazyjr 02.12.2006 07:11 PM

Depends on what you mean by wear out. If you race every weekend yes you need to rebuild every two to three weeks, but if you bash like most of us, I don't know about other people, I just replace the brushes when they are short enough that the spring has trouble maintaining pressure. I don't have a com cutterso i use a piece of sandpaper and a light touch to clean up the commutator. All my motors are over two years old and have the origional armatures with the origional commutators and have no problems with them


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