Finally got me an Eagletree Data Logger!
 

Well I finally got me an Eagletree Data Logger! :yipi:

I made a run with my E Revo with Medusa Setup and my V2 Monster finally bit the dust! :cry:

So it was time to change the entire setup around.

This setup is one of the old HV4400 Maxx sensored Motors upgraded with the Sintered Rotor w/5mm shaft.

I have no idea what top speed this is geared for. LOL

It is geared 14/52 using Mod 1 gears.

ESC of choice is the MM Pro! It does have some power handling ability

Power Supply is a pair of Turnigy 4S 20C 4000mah wired parallel.

Just a few short bursts on the graph. It's dark here, but I'll get some good graphs tomorrow.

Ever seen a 4S setup hold 3.91 volts per cell under a 108 amp Load?

There is MUCH experimenting to be done!

Check this out!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...HVMaxx1452.jpg

pretty cool...keep the updates coming. I am thinking of getting a data logger in the spring, so I will be watching your results closely

Looks like the Turnigy cells hold up well under load. I'd like to see the numbers a bit later in the run as well.

An EagleTree is next on my gadget list too.

I have been playing with mine and love it. The turnigy lipo's hold a load well.
phil

Ok, here's a better run. Same Setup.

The two 4S packs of 4000mah Turnigy is what I want to use with a 8S HV setup. When I can locate a HV ESC that is.

I think they would do well. :yes:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...4ahTurnigy.jpg

Just logged another short run on 4S 30C 5000mah Turnigy Packs.

Looks like they hold 3.635 volts under a 109 amp load.

This is going to be interesting to compare how different packs hold voltage under a load.

I have alot of different packs to put through the testing.

Having fun here. Feel free to comment.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...5ahTurnigy.jpg

Before you get too far, you should calibrate the current and voltage measurements so that you start out with a good baseline. There are two areas; zero and actual values. Zeroing just makes sure 0v and 0A is really 0v and 0A. Calibrating the non-zero values is a little more complex. First, you have to come up with a dummy load that you hook to your packs which will draw around 10A. Hook the load to the pack along with the ET. Measure the voltage and current with a multimeter. Then, see what ET is saying the values are. If different, there is a screen where you can enter the real vs displayed values.

Hi Brian,

I did calibrate the displayed voltage.

To calibrate the Amp load display is gonna take a little more work.

I have an outrunner motor spinning an 11 inch prop. This is rigged up to be a fan. The thing really puts out huge amounts of air too. LOL

Powering the "fan" is a Mamba Max ESC hooked up to a servo tester. The servo tester controls the "variable speed" of the fan.

I hook my multimeter in line, along with the Eagletree, to get the 10 amp load. Then calibrate Amps with that.

Hmmm...........gonna have to look at my wiring situation.

Do you think the factory amp calibration will be that far off?

Ok, I just did a run on 4S 20C 5000mah Turnigy Lipo.

If you compare this graph with the 30C graph above, you will see they are the same!

The numbers are the same. The 20C and the 30C packs are built with the same cell. :yes:

I always suspected this.

The 30C is holding 3.635 volts per cell under a 109 amp load

The 20C is holding 3.652 volts per cell under a 108 amp load

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...5ahTurnigy.jpg

Next up are some packs nearing the end of their useable life.

We've graphed some good packs, now let's do some not so good packs.

Flightpower are some GREAT packs IMO, the packs in these graphs are dying of old age AND have many cycles on them.

They are 4S 3200mah 30C packs, two of them parallel for 6400mah.

2.97 volts per cell under 108 amp load. Not good, considering the run only lasted 12 minutes to the LVC.

These might be ok for a few more cycles in something like a Rustler maybe, but they now need to be retired from MT use IMO.


http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...S30C74ahFP.jpg

Next up is the end of the run that shows the Truck getting on the LVC.

The LVC is set at 3.2 volts per cell.

This graph shows some interesting behavior of the LVC. It appears the LVC does have a reaction time.

This is shown where the low pack volts are 10.93

That is 2.73 volts per cell. Hmm........

Once the LVC reacts, it is "regulating" amp draw and hold the LVC to around 12.8 volts. Right where it should be.

Interesting.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...4m/4SFPLVC.jpg

Are you using the 150A version?

No, I'm using the 100A version.

Amp Draw appears maxed out at 120 Amps with this version. I found that out yesterday when the powerboard melted down on my MMM ESC.

Pegged at 120 amps for about 2.5 seconds until I could get the ESC unplugged.

Thing really put out alot of smoke too. I didn't think I would ever get that smell out of my nose. LOL

I caught it all on the Logger. Unbelieveable!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...nsterDeath.jpg

Those 108A peaks made me suspicious and led me to believe you are using a 100A version. My old burned up 100A version recorded similar peaks and also maxed out at 120A. I am now using a 150A version and the graph depicted in the turnigy thread was recorded with the 150A version.

Wow, what happened exactly this early into this run? Did your MMM fail from one moment to the other (as a result of something - braking?) and shorted the batteries. Lipo batteries, Receiver and servo alright? That's an interesting log for sure.

Side note about braking:
When zooming into a graph you might be able to see voltage rise although amps rise too. This happens when you brake with your ESC and current flows back to the battery. The eagletree logger records positive amps although you are not drawing current from the battery.

The 108 amp peaks for all these graphs are with the same setup, except for the Death of the Monster Graph. Do you think the 100 amp version isn't recording correctly for anything over 100 amps?

I got a deal on this 100 amp version. That's why I got it.

My MMM was a V2 version. It probably had 150 packs through it. It will be on it's way back to Castle since Patrick stated all V1's and V2's had a lifetime warranty. Based on that, I'm sure I will receive a Brand New V3 MMM in return. :yipi:

The V2's had their share of problems.

The Lipos, Receiver and Servo's are all ok.

Yes, I've seen examples of the regenerative braking on zooms of the graphs. It's pretty obvious that it's sending energy back to the batteries while braking.

I think this entire thing is really interesting. :yes:

>Do you think the 100 amp version isn't recording correctly for anything over 100 amps

I remember reading a post written by BrianG where he stated exactly this. Due to the component(s) used to measure amps, accuracy drops rapidly above 100A. I couldn't find the post again. Maybe he can chime in.

Mine hit 124 amps on the highest graph i have, This was a MGM 16025 and a lehner 2250 in a twin force with 6s lipo's. This was the 100 amp eagle tree micro
[IMG]http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x...forceamps2.jpg[/IMG]

I noticed the 100 amp version is pegging out on amps alot as I log different setups.

Thinking about getting the 150 amp verison.

Are the Wire leads any bigger on the 150 amp version?

The leads on the 100 amp version appear to be 14 Ga. Barely Big enough IMO.

Mine look like 12g on the 150a.
phil

These loggers do log higher than their rating, but I strongly suspect they lose accuracy/linearity much beyond the rating. If you zoom in on a ~120A peak, you will probably see the slop estart to round off. That's not typical if you look at the peaks under the 100A rating. So, the real peaks are probably much higher than you think they are if you extrapolate the curve. Also, if you calculate cell resistance over various current draws, you will be able to get an idea of the real current and see if it matches the graph.

I've logged over 140A peaks on a CRT.5 using a Medusa 36-50-3300 on 3s geared fairly conservatively. So I imagine the peaks on the 8th scales are well into the 200-300A range.

Oh, and my 150A version uses 12GA wire from what I can tell.

Yes, thanks for pointing that out about the graphs. On "spikes" over 100 amp, the top is flattened out, or chopped off looking. The closer to 120 amps the peak gets, the flatter it gets. Hmmmm.........

Peaks under 100 amps are very sharp. They look like ice picks.

The 150 amp version is bound to be better than this, at least for 4S setups.

With a Higher Voltage setup, Amp spikes should drop back into the measureable realm, I would think. But that does all depend on the setup.

What is the Highest Amp Logger out there? One that's capable.

The setup got changed around again.

This time, with the goal of getting amp draw down to a decent level while maintaining a good level of performance.

The setup is:

E Revo
MM Pro (lowest timing, 100% punch control)
5S 20C 5000mah Turnigy
Medusa 36-70-2000 geared 14/52 (around 35mph)

This setup performs well. Top Speed sees the motor spinning around 38000rpm.

I tried this setup on 4S (Top Speed 28mph), and the graph from it is almost identical to the 5S Graph. Hmmmmm.......... I wonder what it would do on 6S? Don't have the 6S setup at the moment, but it does have me curious.

Most of the spikes are right around 65-70 amps. This should be accurate for the logger since it isn't exceeding 100 amps.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...sa20001452.jpg

I just acquired some Apogee 3S 3800mah packs. So far, they've been pretty impressive.

The Limn chemistry doesn't hold the voltage under a load that the Turnigy's do, but they come out of the run pretty cool.

This 6S setup is making over 2100 watts!

E Revo
MMM ESC
Medusa 36-70-2000kv gearing 14/52
Apogee 6S 3800mah

They came out of this 20 minute run just barely warm and resting at 3.7 volts per cell.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...gee3800mah.jpg