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Any of you upset over your healthcare law?
I am curious what you guys are thinking about your grand new $1,000,000,000,000 Health-care reform Law that is going to cost you roughly $15,000 a year per person. With 14 States filing suits to challenge it, I am surprised the whole nation is not up in arms... maybe soon?
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I don't know what to think...having a unfified health care system is a great idea. I have not read up on it too much, but unless the gov't regulates the health care providers to keep the costs in check..this system will not work IMO. For example, my health care covers 75% of my cost, yet my cost /week is still $110- w/ 7-10% increases coming for at least 3 more years. Where does it end! This is just one example. If the gov't cracked down on these companies it would be easier to offer lower cost plans to everyone and not just the high priced ones offered now. just my 2 cents
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It's a joke, just like our president and our congress. A ploy to gain more power for government under the guise of "helping us".
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not" "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them" "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government" "To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical" "When we get piled upon one another in large cities as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe" All quotes by Thomas Jefferson. The problem with health care is not the providers, but the government and insurance companies. When the government only will pay via medicare 1/3 of what is billed, provider must then charge 3 times the rate to get what they require. When on the other side government requires that everyone be billed equally, well their you have it. When frivolous lawsuits abound to such a degree that most doctors pay more in malpractice insurance than what they take home, well there you have it. When the government interferes and creates boundaries in which insurance companies can provide, costs rise. Not alloying companies to compete across state lines and the like raises costs and our prices. The bill does not fix the biggest issues in health care. 1. Preexisting conditions 2. Tort Reform 3. Allowing freer competition between providers and insurers Government entering into business of any sort other than governing is a huge conflict of interest at best. If they are so great at running the insurance industry why does medicare and medicaid suck? Why is our military health care system so poor? Why do congress and the president get special plans not available to any of us? |
Hows about 16,000 armed IRS agents to "look after us" http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/22/ir...alth-care-laws
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Agreed ^^^
BTW, answer me this, why do we have a system that has come to absolutely rely on insurance to cover costs? There should be enough doctors and care providers to have prices at the lowest level possible so that we can afford health care out of pocket. But we have such a huge deficit in personnel/infrastructure in the sector that this is not possible. In short, I believe that our government has gone about fixing this the wrong way. Won't happen any time soon either. |
The whole thing is a huge mess, and it's about government control over us... nothing more. Healthcare was simply the means by which they can accomplish it. Expect more socialist BS if these idiots are not stopped.
Health and Insurance needed fixed... this was not how to get it done. It's not possible for it to work, and it will be a bigger disaster than the bankrupt medicare system. That moron nancy pelosi is sooooo stupid, it's amazing that anyone can listen to her with a straight face. I don't get it... she's dumber than a 2x4 and obama makes GW look like Einstein |
Government is not the solution,it is the problem!!!!
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Why can't we call it the proper name, Government run Health Insurance. Which we all know how anything government runs tends to go extremely well! :whistle:
The whole thing is a sham and just one more way of the government taking control. Great... Since when has health insurance coverage been a right? Health insurance is a privilege! It's a reward for those that work hard and make better lives for themselves to cover them in times of need. Health insurance is not a privilege for those that don't work or better themselves. Some want to compare this to state mandating car insurance policies for all drivers. How is this the same? Car insurance was mandated to protect other drivers, not yourself. It's there to provide payment when you screw up and don't have the funds to pay upfront. And by the way, driving is not a right either. Its a privilege. There are other means of transportation: walking, biking, public means... Let's review countries with socialized medicine and "healthcare" and see how they've turned out. Wow, don't you know people from these socialized societies come to the USA for our health care system. I wonder why... I want to know which Democrats will be getting kick backs from these insurance companies that will become government run... I would also like to point out the fact that this bill is pushing a product and forcing the American public to buy a product. This in itself is unconstitutional and is the basis of the lawsuits from the state. And what the hell is with Obama having that black kid there while signing the bill? Just because his mother was poor and died of natural causes because she didn't have the money for health insurance to pay for medicine? The whole problem with health care began when all the HMO, PPO, HNO yada yada came to be. People used to have insurance that paid 80% and we picked up the remaining 20%. However, when all these new policies came to be with the copays, thats when the health care industries started jacking everything around. A shot or medicine that used to cost $20 became $120 because the individual never sees the actual bills anymore until it's submitted to the health insurance company. So they started to get away with it more and more and look at where we were yesterday. All we need to do fix the pricing market and viola! problem solved. |
Did any of you hear the ringer from Dingell? Talking about the time necessary:
Rep. John Dingell (D-MI) said in an interview March 22 that “…it takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to control the people.” Read more: http://voices.kansascity.com/node/8296#ixzz0j91MIvCp Time to stock up on some ammo... |
There already is a Govt run system-Medicare. Fix that instead of making another that is doomed to fail.... Ask anyone you know who is elderly/disabled they'll tell you what has happened to that in the last few years.
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the whole thing makes me sick, it is taxation without representation, the people spoke and the majority don't want this but they did it anyway.
i think out lawmakers could learn a thing or two if the studied england in the last few years leading up to 1886 |
Too much power
We the people have allowed our Gov to gain too much power resulting in exactly this. Healthcare is a business trying to make money plain and simple. The root of the problem in all of this is the greedy doctors, and greedy insurance companies who are both in bed with our Gov. The insurance business started out as a way for people to put money into a pot, which would pay for large healthcare issues that the average person just could not pay for themselves out of pocket.
Over time the people running the insurance companies realized that they could become filthy rich if they just skimmed off the top of the premiums and stashed it away for their own retirement. Then things really began to get interesting, because those CEO's got greedy and wanted more, & more, & more driving insurance costs higher and higher. On top of that you have the doctors who also wanted to get rich, plus fighting off these morons suing them for the stupidest problems, which our legal system allowed. Too many of these professionals are looking for any way they can to steal our hard earned $$$$$ in ways to make them millionaires. The only way to fix this problem is to regulate the insurance companies in some way to limit how much they profit from our illnesses. Put a stop to the frivalous law sutes, and create a doctors pay scale that all of them have to abide by. None of these professions were setup to make anyone rich, and from a personal view they are all a sort of public servant who are supposed to be here to help all of us stay healthy, not become millionaires. Greedy, greedy, greedy. They should all be ashamed of themselves. We all know that when our Gov gets involved in anything it never ever drives the costs down, it only drives them higher because the private business entity figures ways to rip off the Gov so they can get rich off the federal Gov and not feel bad about doing so. Example $1000 hammers, $600 bed pans, $3000 toilet seats. I truly believe that Obama wants to find a solution, but he is being lead around by the nose by all of the already crooked politicians in our Gov system. |
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The analogy to me is like a car with transmission problems being fixed with 22's and a new paint job, then telling the owner it's not really his and will be given to others to use, but he will have to pay for these additions while the new users pay nothing. |
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Bro! We pay for their food stamps! We pay for their Cadillacs too! |
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The "compliance at gunpoint" is as Soviet as it gets, many of us have seen this coming for many years. So maybe the natural progression of any 'great' superpower is to be swallowed whole by it's own government. I seem to vaguely recall other societies this may have happened to ?? |
Meh.... Frigin joke.
me:slap:obama |
If it went back to being a point of sale system for basic health care, most of today's issues will be alleviated. Like you pay your doctor for looking after you. Then we can start discussing about opening up interstate insurance markets like posted above, to drive down insurance premium costs for extraordinary/specialist medical care. But hey, that would be too easy.
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VOTE THEM OUT IN NOVEMBER!:grrrrrr:
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I don't even want to get started on this topic. There is just so much wrong with this country that I honestly would like to get my own island and screw the world altogether. People are welcome, but if they get stupid, they get shot in the face. Simple. Although, getting R/C stuff shipped here would be troublesome.
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Makes no difference to me, I couldn't really afford any kind of real health care prior to now anyway ? I haven't had a solid job in over a year and the state doesn't give me shiz because I don't have kids and not a minority. Far as the state/Gov is concerned, I don't count. Illegal aliens get better health care than I do and I've paid taxes for the last 24+ yrs.
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I don't have a clear understanding of where US health care was & is being taken too
Can someone give me the abridged version so I can avoid hours of research? |
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Eg; all sane, so-called normal people are provided with a loaded gun on their birthday. As they come across the epsilon minuses that we all do during the course of a day, they get to end the misery for everyone else with a free shot. No charges, no jailtime would be enforced & once you've spent your rounds the party's over Imagine how nice the world would be if you had to survive in a society that purged the undesirables! |
It really has nothing to do with "health care" it's all about wealth redistribution and nothing else! That has been this administrations agenda from the get go. It's a slap in the face to every working American. Next will come the SS enforcers to instill fear and compliance.
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I blame the uneducated and ridiculous media coverage we have. The media is so far left and obama ass kissers its wrong! The bill that was passed was the most socialistic and communistic bill to be sign into service in American history. But the media pushes it as needed and amazing. Its bullshit! Now about 1/3 of the current physicians currently working in the health industry are talking about leaving their jobs... Great lets see how backed up the doctors offices become... |
What I can't believe, is that this crap happens, even though we have been looking at what a disaster it has been (national health care) in Canada. We've heard the horror stories.... lack of doctors, waiting months for needed care, etc. That's why so many Canadians come here for medical care!
While we are at it, why not copy the models of the Mexican military and North Korean foreign policy? |
This crap is only going to change if we (the "average" person that gets screwed by all this stuff) can get special interest groups out of the white house, and end contributions to political interests. Trust me, those guys vote with their wallets, just like you or I would do if we were in the same situation.
We also need to get costs down - on everything. That will mean everyone will have to take pay cuts. Not something I ever see happening in the good old "its my right" U.S. of A. This bill is not a health care reform, its an insurance package. It does nothing but drive up the cost to anyone that isn't in poverty. I'm plain fed up with insurance companies. They continue to jack our rates, deny coverage, and reduce coverage, while at the same time posting record profits while the nation is in the worst economic status since the 30's. My wife was bitching about unions going on strike in this time - "how could they expect more when times are tough". Well, if the unions dont push big companies to put pressure on the insurance companies, who else is going to do it? Joe blow? I dont think so.... |
It's so backwards, that the initial bill actually gave preference to illegal aliens over american citizens. I think that got "fixed", but it tells you how the democrats think.
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A "short" story illustrating what the USA is coming to. It was supposedly originally for Australia, but whatever. Author unknown.
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or we can all be "american" and quit our jobs so the gov. and other workers will take care of us! nothin like livin in the land of the freeloaders. viva la revolucion!
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A revolution has happened before.
It's funny how so many of us on here come from different paths, have different views, and different philosophies, yet we all agree that our government is royally screwing us. Maybe we all should stop letting the media and politicians pigeonhole us as liberals, conservatives, independents, progressives, neo-cons, libertarians, etc. and start working together to get our rights back and our government under control. One thing I will never understand is how so many people will vote the same way, year after year for the same party no matter what. They identify themselves as democrats/republicans and refuse to actually look at the candidate running. I know so many that don't agree with Obama on a single issue, yet they voted for him because their families are democrat, they've always been democrat, and you just have to vote democrat. It's funny that even though myself and many of my friends have greatly different views and opinions, as friends with a common interest with can come to a reasonable agreement on things. It's kind of like marriage, if one side always gets its way and the other is left hanging, in the end no one is happy. |
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I say the working Americans should just let all the immigrants into the country, and then move to their now unpopulated country. Fix it up and then patrol the borders with instructions to shoot to kill on sight anyone trying to get back over. Then let the US gov't try to get money from all the non workers. This would be easier than trying to weed out all the parasites already here. Sometimes it's better to burn a field to the ground and start over than to try to pick out the weeds... |
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What are you guys talking about immigrants? Don't you know that if they come from ANY part of the North or South American continents that they are going to be consider USA citizens? Com'n guys!
It's just complete and utter bullshit! I make the suggestion that every working American adjust their withholding rates to Married and 9 therefore the least amount of money is withheld from their check and the government gets zilch! zero! All these politicians were so for this bill and that its necessary for the American people! Then why the hell is there a provision in this 3000 page bill that state all congressman and higher governmental authorities DO NOT have to participate in this bill and are exempt from any penalties. WTF? Momma always said "Don't shoot it if you won't eat it!" Maybe if they a-hole nut job, no term limit screw ups would have to participate in the bills they put into law, maybe just maybe they would realize how screwed up they are. I'm willing to bet that if these politicians had to participate in Social Security or Medicare, these systems would be fixed and in pristine running order! What really scares me about this health insurance bill is the factor that it requires all financial institutions to provide the IRS with you bank account information along with the power to make debits and credits to your accounts whenever they see fits, i.e. penalties for not paying or having insurance. That's the scary part! Also, don't know if you guys caught wind of the bill they squeaked in a few weeks back, but there is now an EXIT TAX for any US citizen permanently moving to a country outside of the US. The exit tax is a whopping 55% on every asset you own! whether you like it or not. And now with this health insurance bill granting government access to bank accounts, its very well possible for them to take their 55%!! I think the only way to resolve this if these lawsuits don't hold up in court is to start a civil uprising! I know that on April 15th many cities around here are holding Tea Parties again in revolution to all this mishap. Everyone should get out and let there voices be heard! |
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Regardless where my money comes from, it's a job that's required to have health insurance and it be somewhat affordable. |
I come from a long line of southern yellow dog democrats and was the first to break from that tradition after the Jimmy Carter debacle. Most here are too young to remember that era, but that was the time of the first gas lines and double digit inflation and the same double digit unemployment and interest rates. We are once again heading in that same direction with the same ideology that almost brought our country to its knees back then. You cannot tax a city, county, state nor this country in to prosperity!
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