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Arct1k 05.23.2010 08:55 PM

Maxamps...
 
FYI Unless its a constructive thread about their packs / warranty support etc I'll delete any general bashing threads or posts as they don;t really contribute to the site in any way...

The unless bashing about prices and C rating are pointless - I think everyone gets it...

As you've seen I'm happy to post a picture of my latest Maxamps pack experience and will be happy to post of the results of the warranty inquiry.

If you have a problem with this please PM me or escalate to Mike.

E-sav 05.24.2010 05:57 AM

Excuse me, but what right do you have to delete a thread because it contains a thread in which there is a perfectly reasonable debate over the quality of a company that charges an obscene amount of money for it's packs?

The internet is about the free exchange and debate and yet here you are deleting threads because you are 'bored' of them. I request that you allow my other post to stand, as the thread is now BigSquid's thread of the week, and is obviously worth a read.

On a sidenote, have you learned not to buy from Maxamps yet? I'm sure they'll warrantee your chinese cells, as they can give three or four packs before they will have lost out on the amount you paid for your pack.

Semi Pro 05.24.2010 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E-sav (Post 366346)
Excuse me, but what right do you have to delete a thread because it contains a thread in which there is a perfectly reasonable debate over the quality of a company that charges an obscene amount of money for it's packs?

The internet is about the free exchange and debate and yet here you are deleting threads because you are 'bored' of them. I request that you allow my other post to stand, as the thread is now BigSquid's thread of the week, and is obviously worth a read.

On a sidenote, have you learned not to buy from Maxamps yet? I'm sure they'll warrantee your chinese cells, as they can give three or four packs before they will have lost out on the amount you paid for your pack.

you tell em!


its simple we cant talk alot of shit because mike sell MA packs...........its that simple.

asheck 05.24.2010 07:55 AM

Quote:

Excuse me, but what right do you have to delete a thread because it contains a thread in which there is a perfectly reasonable debate over the quality of a company that charges an obscene amount of money for it's packs?
See that RC-Monster Mod, by his name. He has the right. It also gives him the right to ban you ;)

Quote:

The internet is about the free exchange and debate and yet here you are deleting threads because you are 'bored' of them.
You might want to try a blog or something, forum's are very rarely, a true "open forum" where you can post whatever you want.

Could be, Mike is tired of seeing his forum, littered with the garbage that normally gets inserted into MA threads. Instead of informative, they normally just turn into a bash, that provide no helpful information. Most everybody on this forum knows what to expect from MA.

Arct1k 05.24.2010 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arct1k (Post 366308)
FYI Unless its a constructive thread about their packs / warranty support etc I'll delete any general bashing threads or posts as frankly I'm bored of them...

If you ready what I said a CONSTRUCTIVE post is fine and to be commended...

The usual rant though about high prices and unsubstantiated C ratings has been repeated time and time again and I don't think adds anything to the human race...

Losi LST2 05.24.2010 09:45 AM

LOL...funny how threads that are bashing maxamps get deleted around here....

more then likly just because Mike stocks maxamps and he thinks it's going to hurt the sales of them.

But by this point and time with the reputation they have i'm pretty sure the only people who would buy them is noobs just getting into r/c who have no idea about the forum or have not done enough reserch to figure out that they suck

and i agree with E-sav...you just go around deleting threads because your bored of them?..that doesn't make much sence...if you no longer want to go look through the thread then don't open it!...whats so hard to figure out about that? i'm sure theres enough mods around here that your not the only one who is able to patrol threads.

And i'm pretty sure this was a pointless thread aswell because it's more then likly to just going to turn into a maxamps bash untill it's closed

Arct1k 05.24.2010 09:51 AM

Guys this has nothing at all to do with Mike - He didn't call me and I didn't speak to him...

It has nothing to do with the fact that Mike stocks Maxamps... The threads just add no value - if you want to vent then you might as well open a window and shout it out. You are obviously not going to buy their packs so why not just leave it at that.

If you did buy / test there packs and posted some factual data about their performance good or ugly that would be great! But everyone knows they cost a fortune and they don't follow the normal C rating which is a PITA - Its been the same way for a while now!

PS There are actually only 2 active mods on this forum...

ZippyBasher 05.24.2010 11:51 AM

Dude You post a pic of an exploded MA pack and don’t expect the MA Bashing to fully ensue, That’s crazy man… If your bored of seeing threads like that. Don’t instigate it man. Sounds like someone is a having a little power trip… My .02
:neutral:

Losi LST2 05.24.2010 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZippyBasher (Post 366372)
Dude You post a pic of an exploded MA pack and don’t expect the MA Bashing to fully ensue, That’s crazy man… If your bored of seeing threads like that. Don’t instigate it man. Sounds like someone is a having a little power trip… My .02
:neutral:

LOL..i completly agree with this..

E-Revonut 05.24.2010 12:02 PM

Can't say that I agree with deleting a threa because you are bored of the topic. I do agree with deleting threads that simply bash someone or something though. Inwas actually trying to post in a thread last night and it was deleted while I was typing. I have had good and bad luck with MaxAmps. Inhave one pack that performs awesome even after over two years. A set of packs I did have trouble with where eventually replaced under warranty. Arct1k, if you haven't contacted them about your pack yet I would recomended you talk to Josh, he was very helpful and corteous to me. My biggest gripe with MA is that their prices have went up rather than down like everyone elses. If there prices where in line with the rest of the market I would give them another shot.

Arct1k 05.24.2010 12:19 PM

Bored was obviously the wrong word and for that I apologise.

My intent was to AVOID, what I consider to be pointless, bashing threads - I'm more than happy for people to post up real world experiences - Good or bad but the ususal windging threads do, I'm afraid, get dull.

Josh is no longer working for maxamps so I was passed to Clint - I was offered 50% off a new pack of my choice - I doubt that I will be taking up their offer.

E-Revonut 05.24.2010 12:32 PM

50% off just puts them about where the prices should be

Arct1k 05.24.2010 12:34 PM

I would also remind people of the forum behavoir rules...

There has been a general decline in attitude and behavior recently that must stop! I was speaking with Mike the other day and he agrees and has asked mods to become more aggressive in moderating to address the issues below:

Personal attacks. There is no need to trade insults between members. If there is a beef between individuals, take care of it off the forum. Period. If you are the target of an attack, you are more than welcome to PM a moderator and we will see to it that it stops.


Vulgar language. Most of us are adults here, but there are a few younger members. As such, we should keep the language on the forum PG-13 rated at the very most.


Inappropriate content. This forum is intended primarily as a support forum for RC-Monster products and general brushless information. Many of us spend a lot of our time here and consider fellow members friends. So, off-topic (non-R/C related) threads do happen, and that is perfectly fine. However posting or linking to inappropriate content (such as content including items 1 and 2 above) is off-limits.

Let's try to act our age, shall we?

BrianG 05.24.2010 12:40 PM

I agree. There's no sense in the bashing. State your experience details, and let others draw their own conclusions. 99% of the time, people are either already turned off on MA or are devout fanboys. Either way, bashing won't change their minds.

E-sav 05.24.2010 12:41 PM

My intention was never to incite a row over maxamps products, simply to bring attention to a thred with good information and new information at that. Such as austin himself confirming that maxamps lipos are infact chinese.

I have no problem with the whole maxamps operation as a concept, though them offering you 50% off a new lipo because one of their unbeatable lipos puffed after 15 cycles is a punch in the stomach.

TexasSP 05.24.2010 12:46 PM

This is simple guys, Arct1k explained himself and that is fine. While it's fine to beat on MA it is pretty much a http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...tdeadhorse.gif issue at this point.

Josh is gone and that's good to know.

Meanwhile I think it is rather rude of people who are quite new to this forum to come on here and act this way especially towards Arct1k. If there is ever a place and with a bunch of mods who don't let it get to their heads it's here. Especially Arct1k and BrianG who are about as laid back as you can get and both great guys.

This forum is also probably the most open about letting people post how they feel but everyone expects you to do it in a non flaming constructive type way. Most if not all of the long time members here like to keep everything here calm and comfortable. While we have debates and discussions it they are done in a mature manner and do not involve personal attacks and/or flaming.

If you want to see people ragging on others just for the heck of it with little moderation go to www.pirate4x4.com and post or just read. They even have an rc section, however flaming is a past time over there so you have been warned appropriately.

While I may disagree with closing the thread as he did I completely understand why it was done and will respect that.

Thanks Arct1k and keep on keeping on!

Quote:

Originally Posted by E-sav (Post 366384)
My intention was never to incite a row over maxamps products, simply to bring attention to a thred with good information and new information at that. Such as austin himself confirming that maxamps lipos are infact chinese.

I really wouldn't call that a slip since ALL lithium cells are made in China and/or Korea. So basically it isn't really news.

suicideneil 05.24.2010 01:09 PM

Everybody chill out.

I have uncovered something... disturbing about Maxamps and their operation- I believe this qualifies as 'contributary' to the whole 'why maxamps sucks' argument:

http://www.rcbros.com/forum/forum_po...?TID=6922&PN=1

The critical part:

http://www.rcbros.com/aspjpeg_resize...E3Z_garage.jpg
http://www.rcbros.com/aspjpeg_resize..._wrap_area.jpg
http://www.rcbros.com/aspjpeg_resize...89_working.jpg

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"The only reason why I ever bought MaxAmps packs was because all of my friends and other people I've raced with have told me that they're the best. At one point they were, but the last few packs I bought from them aren't performing as well as they should.

My friend's 3s Lipo couldn't handle any large amounts of discharge and would put the esc into false LVC, my RX pack for my 8ight-T doesn't keep it's voltage as long as it should, and now it seems like the lipos for my mini aren't lasting either. All of these packs weren't very old either. It's funny that Dirt tells me his HobbyCity ones have lasted over a year, and they're a fraction of the price?

What's funny too, is that MaxAmps operates out of a frickin' 2 car garage, I swear to god. When my dad gets back from his business trip, I'll get the pics from him because he visited them on a business trip to Spokane. They have three guys with some stations, and a seperate room to do packaging. The worst thing is that they order their cells in bulk from China, so their packs are literally the exact same as everyone elses except the shrinkwrap. And their so called "Water-sealed Packs," aren't even waterproof. They told my dad himself that they believe it's waterproof, but haven't gotten around to testing it yet.

I don't want to pick sides, but I don't like them because of their ridiculous prices. I just wish they wouldn't charge so much when other companies charge hundreds less for the EXACT same packs! Does anyone know of any other good batteries out there?"


Here's the Pics Blizzard was talking about. The battery packs themselves were in boxes marked "Made in China"

So, bulk ordered/ purchased cells, from China, assembled by 2 or 3 guys in a garage = high quality matched lipo packs worth 3-4 times what a comparable HobbyKing or similar YesHobby / AcePow lipos cost? Me thinks not :no:

Arct1k 05.24.2010 01:23 PM

Why is that disturbing in any way to you Neil?

I'm in no way CAN I be considered a fanboy but what a lot of people forget is the advertizing of companies such as Maxamps in magazines, web sites and competitions pays for those things - That money comes some from people paying higher prices for packs... Good on them I say...

PS Have you seen Mikes place... He'd kill to work out of a garage like that.... :)

TexasSP 05.24.2010 01:28 PM

Personally, I could care less about them operating out of a garage.

Google started in a garage, apple started in a garage, compaq started Rod Canyon's house, dell started in Michael Dell's dorm room at UT, Microsoft started in a garage, OCC started in a garage, Honda started in an apartment, the list goes on and on.........

Humble beginnings start with the simple blow of a horn........

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arct1k (Post 366392)
Have you seen Mikes place... He'd kill to work out of a garage like that.... :)

I remember seeing a picture or 2 at some point. I have always been amazed at what comes out of the most unsuspecting places.

Even check out CC, look what they operated out of until just recently.

lutach 05.24.2010 01:54 PM

I can guarantee to anyone here and else where that Max Amps wouldn't have been around if the 2 and last packs I bought from them had burst into flames. What would you have done Chris, if that one pack posed any danger to your loved ones?

Also, keep in mind that MA was busted by a fellow member for selling low C rated packs with much higher advertised C rating. I would rather have people bash a unethical company like that then support their illegal actions. Maybe they change for a better company.

E-sav 05.24.2010 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasSP (Post 366385)
This is simple guys, Arct1k explained himself and that is fine. While it's fine to beat on MA it is pretty much a http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...tdeadhorse.gif issue at this point.

Josh is gone and that's good to know.

Meanwhile I think it is rather rude of people who are quite new to this forum to come on here and act this way especially towards Arct1k. If there is ever a place and with a bunch of mods who don't let it get to their heads it's here. Especially Arct1k and BrianG who are about as laid back as you can get and both great guys.

This forum is also probably the most open about letting people post how they feel but everyone expects you to do it in a non flaming constructive type way. Most if not all of the long time members here like to keep everything here calm and comfortable. While we have debates and discussions it they are done in a mature manner and do not involve personal attacks and/or flaming.

If you want to see people ragging on others just for the heck of it with little moderation go to www.pirate4x4.com and post or just read. They even have an rc section, however flaming is a past time over there so you have been warned appropriately.

While I may disagree with closing the thread as he did I completely understand why it was done and will respect that.

Thanks Arct1k and keep on keeping on!



I really wouldn't call that a slip since ALL lithium cells are made in China and/or Korea. So basically it isn't really news.

Everyone knows the best cells come out of korea. Chinese cells tend to be of zippy/turnigy quality across the board. All your top end packs are korean. This isn't really news to anyone. What is news is that maxamps lipos 'teh best in teh world!!!!11' are chinese. So straight away are never going to be of exemplary quality.

I'm going to comment on art1ck's situation, which is actually sickening, he has been offered
a new pack for 50% because the battery that puffed... was a replacement for one that had already puffed deary me. At that point i'd be offering 2 packs for the price

simplechamp 05.24.2010 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E-sav (Post 366346)
Excuse me, but what right do you have to delete a thread

Being a mod gives them the right, and I think those guys do a darn good job around here and are very fair and reasonable about what they allow and disallow. This forum isn't a democracy, what they say goes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Losi LST2 (Post 366363)
LOL...funny how threads that are bashing maxamps get deleted around here....

It doesn't seem to me like you've looked around here that much. ONE thread got deleted. This forum probably has the most criticism of MA out of any RC forum on the net, and it has all been tolerated until now, when it was (rightly) determined that it was a "beating a dead horse" situation. I have been guilty of it myself, and agree that it is time to just let it go and put our time towards more constructive discussion.

suicideneil 05.24.2010 05:12 PM

Bleh, my point was that given the prices MA charge & the level of sponsorship they dish out, you'd expect the company to be operating out of a much larger/ nice warehouse or workshop, not some ass-hat's garage with his home & offices upstairs. Granted its a nice setup, along with his track in the backyard, but seeing mountains cells in boxes and a few supspiciously hippy-looking guys with cheap irons assembling these 'best on the market' lipo packs gives me the chills.

Mike on the otherhand makes great value, high quality parts, so operating out of a dingy workshop isnt such an issue- maxamps just cant justify their prices or ratings on their packs; I'd have thought such extortionate prices would put people off the hobby, not encourage them to join... :neutral:

Finnster 05.24.2010 06:09 PM

I'm not surprised about the garage, I was going to say the same about Mike's place. We tend to think all these things are coming from big businesses in commercial parks, but a good deal of the RC product providers are small time hobbyists just trying to contribute to the hobby (some more than others tho.)

On the upside Neil, just think of the low barrier to you to becoming a worldwide lipo mogul. ;)

What amazes me is the amt of money that flows thru that garage. Alot of money coming in, but I'm sure quite a lot flowing out in advertising costs. I don't know that anyone has as many ads, even some of the OEMs.

Otherwise:

How does a 50% discount after 15 cycles square w/ the 300 cycle warranty? Bit of a let down it seems.

simplechamp 05.24.2010 06:14 PM

I would guess Arct1k bought the packs before they started including the new warranties.

E-sav 05.24.2010 06:15 PM

Quote:

How does a 50% discount after 15 cycles square w/ the 300 cycle warranty? Bit of a let down it seems.
That, and more importantly, why have two packs puffed in the first place? Super high quality cells in well built packs should not be puffing with a Medusa 36-50.

sikeston34m 05.24.2010 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finnster (Post 366445)

How does a 50% discount after 15 cycles square w/ the 300 cycle warranty? Bit of a let down it seems.

As reported in the "closed" thread, the reasoning was, they could only offer 50% off a new pack, because THAT pack was already a warranty replacement pack. :whistle:

reno911 05.24.2010 07:16 PM

I buy what I can afford. That is all there is to my hobby. If all batteries were the same price as Maxamps I would probably still be using nitro.

Also, Hobbycity has been filling in some add space in my rc magazine for the last couple of months now. So they aren't the only one getting all of the audience.

mistercrash 05.24.2010 07:47 PM

Hi! I just dropped by to say hello and have a nice day everyone.

pinkpanda3310 05.24.2010 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E-sav (Post 366428)
Everyone knows the best cells come out of korea. Chinese cells tend to be of zippy/turnigy quality across the board. All your top end packs are korean. This isn't really news to anyone. What is news is that maxamps lipos 'teh best in teh world!!!!11' are chinese. So straight away are never going to be of exemplary quality.

I'm going to comment on art1ck's situation, which is actually sickening, he has been offered
a new pack for 50% because the battery that puffed... was a replacement for one that had already puffed deary me. At that point i'd be offering 2 packs for the price

I have some polyquest packs, on the heatshrink it said made in korea, on the individual cells it says made in china.

Personally, I have no issue with Arct1k deleting a repeated and pointless theme. I find it strange the OP says to PM or elevate to Mike, yet this thread has taken off. Again, I have no issue if it gets deleted.

pinkpanda3310 05.24.2010 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistercrash (Post 366463)
Hi! I just dropped by to say hello and have a nice day everyone.

Do you like RC's too?:lol:

mistercrash 05.24.2010 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkpanda3310 (Post 366466)
Do you like RC's too?:lol:

I love RCs. And I find it odd that your last two post both show that they are your 451st posts. But let's not forget that the cold water tap is always to the right. You know of a place where I can buy left socks? My dryer eats my left socks all the time. Anywho! Gotta go see if the grass is greener on the other side. L8R.






































































No it's not greener on the other side, it's just dirt.

pinkpanda3310 05.24.2010 08:00 PM

[QUOTE=No it's not greener on the other side, it's just dirt.[/QUOTE]

Then roost it my friend:yipi:

Erevocanuck 05.24.2010 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkpanda3310 (Post 366464)
I have some polyquest packs, on the heatshrink it said made in korea, on the individual cells it says made in china.

Personally, I have no issue with Arct1k deleting a repeated and pointless theme. I find it strange the OP says to PM or elevate to Mike, yet this thread has taken off. Again, I have no issue if it gets deleted.

I believe the company headquarter is in Korea and the manufacturing facilities are in China.
But when a company says built for us or exclusive.Maybe they mean in terms of the industries they service I.E. hobbies(I.E. RC),cars,mopeds and so on.

Finnster 05.25.2010 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sikeston34m (Post 366449)
As reported in the "closed" thread, the reasoning was, they could only offer 50% off a new pack, because THAT pack was already a warranty replacement pack. :whistle:

gotcha :)

suicideneil 05.25.2010 06:10 AM

Quote:

To closeout this thread I was offered 50% off a new pack as this was already a replacement for a failed pack...
So, are you going to pay 50% off for another pack ( that may well fail due to.... ) in the hope that its 3rd time lucky, or are you going to mail the pack back to them with a horse's head? :lol:

_paralyzed_ 05.25.2010 06:44 AM

as with v1 MMM's maxamps only failures are due to user error or misuse. What does Arct1ck know about lipos or the safe use and handling of them?

He probably tried to start his 1:1 car with it:no:

(please note sarcasm)

JERRY2KONE 05.25.2010 06:53 AM

Sponser
 
when you have a handshake type of business relationship it is not nice to have bashing of your paternal partner going on within your own forum. Hey Harold how the hell are you? Have not seen you in here much lately. Everything OK? Good to see you on line again.

E-sav 05.25.2010 07:30 AM

Pinkpanda, unfortunately for you, the forum does not just consist of you. If you see a thread you don't like don't read it. To say that no one else can discuss it because you have had enough is an arrogant and conceited attitude. The fact that this thread is continuing is testament that people are perfectly willing to discuss this issue.

pinkpanda3310 05.25.2010 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E-sav (Post 366582)
Pinkpanda, unfortunately for you, the forum does not just consist of you. If you see a thread you don't like don't read it. To say that no one else can discuss it because you have had enough is an arrogant and conceited attitude. The fact that this thread is continuing is testament that people are perfectly willing to discuss this issue.

Don't you know the whole interweb revolves around me.:angel:
It's all at my fingertips:rules:


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