Brushless Stampede ???
 

Well guys, I'm new to this forum. A member on RCU suggested I sign up here.

I have a widened, lenghtened, brushless Stampede and I am looking to upgrade systems. Right now I'm running the reman Novak SS 5800 on GP3300 7 cell packs. This is my first brushless system and I like the torque of it, but I am looking for more speed now (maybe a little bit more torque too:027:)

I was thinking about a Sphere/Neo combo, but a guy on RCU suggested a Lehner 5300 and BK 7020 ESC. He said this would stomp a Sphere or GTB setup.

What do you guys suggest for me?

here's a few pics if any of you are interested in my truck
http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/898/1417/35102.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/898/1417/35103.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/898/1417/35104.jpg

The 5300 or 4200 would be a great choice. I would go with the MGM 80 though. It has a good BEC built in for you. I just put a 4200/MGM 80 combo in my FLM Rusty.

That is a clean looking pede. Welcome to the forum as well.
You could run a lower kv motor with more voltage on it for more torque and runtime. I am still expertmenting with mine so not exactly sure what to tell you to run. I have seen a few guys run a 12s on 12cells.

Would the Lehner 5300 have the same torque as the SS5800 with the same battery (8.4v) and same gearing? How much faster would it be?

Thanks for the suggestion on the MGM 80 ESC. I will check it out.




I just want a system that will give me at least the same torque with more speed on the same batteries. I will probably add more cells to it later on though.

I was going to go with the Novak but decided to get the 4200 instead. The 5300 should give you more torque and speed over the Novak.

I decided on the 4200 for more runtime and a bit less speed.

What about the Feigao 8s, Feigao 6s, and the Lehner XL5000 motors? How would they compare? Will the MGM 80 handle these also?


I'm sorry for all the newb questions, but I just know nothing about sensorless brushless setups. And I'm just trying to figure out what combo would work best for me. I would like to have decent runtimes, but thats not really my priority.

The xl5000 would require a better esc than the 8012. It is a amp hugery little motor.

Well, after doing a little more research and using the search button on here, I think I've decided on either the Lehner 5300 or the Feigao 380C-6L. I've heard that both of these motors work good on 6-8 cells. I think thats what I'm looking for. I want speeds of at least 40mph and I think either of these motors can do it.

Are there any other motors I should consider before I decide to order one?

I also think I'm gonna go with the MGM Compro 80 ESC too. Any other suggestions on that?

sounds good to me. i would go for the feigao. you will need some 3.5mm bullet connectors as well.

If money is not the issue, I would go with the lehner 5300 if I were you. The lehner is higher quality, but the feigao will offer about the same amount of power otherwise.

I just bought a Lehner basic 5300 motor and a Mtroniks Genesis Pro ESC.
I can't wait for it to get here.:027:

Here is a pic of my truck with the old setup if anybody wants to see it.

http://media.putfile.com/f150dansPede

Is that a t-maxx body on there? What extended chassis are you using. Nice video by the way.

Another question...Why did you decide to go with the 5300 over the 380 6l or others?

Yea its a T-maxx sized body. Its the prepainted Atomik F-350 SD body. I extended the stock chassis 1.25in.

It was a toss up between the different motors because I don't know much about any of them. I didn't like the fact that the 380 6L is a small motor. Somebody also said it was comparable to the GTB 5.5 system, and I'm looking for more power then that. I hope the Lehner 5300 will be:024: Also, I just found a pretty good deal on the setup so I went ahead and bought it.

Optiman over at RCZ tested the 5.5 to be as fast as the 5300 or faster I think depending on cell count that you put on the 5300 if I am not mistaken. If you can find the thread it was a good read. He had charts and everything. I like my 5.5. It's pretty torquey and fast. I haven't tried it in my pede, but it pushed my rustler above 40.(gps verified). But I want more too. I just traded back for my 8s and it is so powerful. But I think I need to go to 7 or 8 cells to really make it go. Good luck with your new system. I've heard great things about the 5300. I actually had a 4200 at one time. It was great. Something in the controler or motor was jacked up and was refunded. Let us know how it went. That is one sweet truck. Did you do cut the tires to make them fit?

Also, where did you get the system? Also, how did you extend the chassis like that? Oh and YGPM.

Check out my videos if you haven't at
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...525048&pl=true
then click "more from this provider"

I'm planning on running at least 7 cells and probably 8 cells every once in a while. I would be happy with mid to high 40mph range though. I cut the mounting bead off the stock 2.2 Masher 2K's to make them fit in the 2.8 Jato wheel. And for the chassis, I bought another stock chassis to use. Then I cut a piece out of the new chassis and I cut the current chassis and added them together with a 2 part epoxy (plastic welding system). I was wondering about the strenght, but I have put the truck through hell and haven't had any problems yet. I bought the brushless sytem off Ebay. It was from Allen Mueller on here. $220 something shipped to my house so I couldn't pass it up.

I was worried that I might have issues running this new brushless setup with the stock Traxxas AM radio, so I bought a JR XS3 synthesized system to go along with this kit. This truck should be setup nice once I get done with it.

Have you gotten this in yet?

yea, I got it up and running today. I also broke a rear axle shaft with it. It wasn't what I was expecting, but its definately an increase in power. It outperformed my SS 5800 in top speed and torque geared 12/87 when my SS combo had 17/87 gearing.

The 12/87 is what I decided to start with, so I haven't had any time to mess with the ratio and find the sweet spot for my truck. After running a whole 7 cell GP 3300 pack to it, the ESC wasn't even warm. The motor was warm (using the 5 second finger meter) but it can stand a little more gear. I'm gonna try to tweek the ESC and radio settings tonight and see what happens. I will also change the gearing and see what happens.

Well it doesn't really surprise me that it isn't what you expected. I felt the same way once I got my 8s running. Now my 5.5 did surprise me though. I think my 5.5 has more top end and mid range than my 8s. I had my 8s geared 17/84 and the motor was smoking hot. I gear it 15/84 now.

But I do think once you gear up you'll see a big improvement. I geared my 4200 17/81 and 19/84. It did really well and the top end was pretty fast. Also, if you get a 8cell you'll see it really open up from what I understand. Good luck.

Right now I'm waiting on 2 new HPI dogbones to come in from tower. Once they arrive my Pede should be back in business. I finally figured out most of the settings on my new XS3 so last night I got it and the Mtroniks ESC dialed in. Hopefully I'll see a difference in power that way also.



What timing should I set the lehner 5300 at? It was at 0 degree and I bumped it up to 6 degree hoping to see a difference.

Just leave it, on 7 cells with the right gearing it should blow you away. I Think you are a bit undergeared at the moment? Anybody else agree. Mabye 14-16/87? With 7 cells it should hit around 45 mph or more so you better be blown away in comparison to your old ss5800. Just make sure to keep monitoring temperatures. I bought a digital temp gun and it works wonders (no wondering whether or not you just have cold fingers or sensitive ones).

Yeah, I would definitely go up to 15 or 17/87. Heck I would try an 84 tooth as well.

I have a temp gun for my nitros that I can use. What temp range should be looking for?

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/898/1417/40311.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/898/1417/40312.jpg

Any luck messing with it? Have you found that sweet spot yet?

I'm still waiting on my HPI dogbones.

I have the radio and esc set to where I think I will like it. I bumped the gearing up to 16/90 for right now. I will be happy if I can run 17-18/90 gearing.

hey when you get it up and running shot a vid of it :028:

i have a 5300 with 14/87 in a stampede and rustler running 7cells each. i have been extremely happy with the performance.

is that a 12 tooth pinion you have there, where did you get it?

justin

I got the 12t pinion from my LHS. its made by Robinson Racing:027:

Stampy, did you see my vid with the SS 5800?

What acceleration level do you have the controller set to? It makes a big difference in the initial performance. When I set my 12s at "very slow," the takeoff is indeed very slow for about the first 50 feet. Then the motor suddenly explodes with speed and can flip the pede on its lid. It's almost like the motor has a turbo or nitrous on it with that setting.

If I set it to "fast" acceleration, it is almost uncontrollable from takeoff. Even small throttle inputs can flip the pede. I haven't even tried "very fast." I find that I like the "slow" setting best for my pede. It's a good combination of control and speed.

For my MT2, though, I prefer the "fast" setting, since that truck can't wheelie as easily. I still haven't tried "very fast" for it yet either.

It was set on slow when I got it, but now its at fast. I'm gonna try that and see how I like it. I might bump it down a little bit though.


What timing should I set the Lehner 5300 at? It was 0, and I bumped it up to 6 degree. I haven't run it with the advanced timing, but I'm just wondering what you guys are using?

Mine is set at 0. I haven't tried advancing the timing yet. I think 0 is recommended for 2 pole feigao's. The lehners might be able to handle some advance, though, but I'm not sure.

yep looked good i liked the quality of it:027: your gunna have to make a nother when you get that 5300 up and going :028:

Oh I will:027:

Did you get those dogbones yet? I have never liked them myself. I've only broke a stock shaft a time or two(ususally my fault). They are pretty strong even with the strongest BL motor. If you are going for the bling factor then the dogbones could help.

Oh I'm not going for a bling factor at all. I broke 2 stock shafts, so I did some research. The Traxxas steel outputs and Street Sport axles are supposed to be weaker then the stock plastic ones. Everbody I've talked to with a Stampede or Rustler hate MIP CVD's, so I figured the HPI dogbones were my only option. I will give them another shot before I ditch them too.

I fail to see why everyone hates the MIP cvd's for the stampede, I use them on my RC10 T2 and T3 without a problem. Infact I use them on all of my cars except my custom B3 and my Emaxx.

nice pede f150dan looks very powerful. and it is.
very fast, and would like to compliment you on the great work you put into that truck.

Keep It Up!:)