Sidewinder SC
 

Can anyone from Castle say when will the Sidewinder SC be available?

Tower has it marked for "late october". Can you confirm this and/or provide a more accurate prediction?

Avner.

Hi Avner!

Late October is correct. The ESCs are in production right now, and the 1410 motors are in transit. They should ship to Hobbico the week of Oct 25th.

Thanx!

Patrick

Thanks Patrick,

I'm waiting to get my hands on this system...

Avner.

$110!!!!:surprised:


for the combo!!!!@

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...Package-3800kV

including a blower too! What a deal!

Wired directly to the controller... So if the ESC or Motor goes bad; do you need to send the whole combo in for repair, or can you cut them apart and send the defective component?

Just a thought... :wink:

On the castle website the diagrams showed bullets on the esc and motor. Maybe a prototype photo on a-main?

:neutral:

Damn maybee it is. Thought I saw bullets on the cc site, oh well. I prefer no connectors myself but bullets do make swaps more convinient/quick since the soldering iron hides in my pitbox since the nickel batteries disapeared off my table.

Just checked the castle site and it's listed w/4mm bullets???

Don't know how accurate the a-main description is I have never heard of cnc rated bearings either.

The sidewinder SCT will have 4mm bullets ...

We thought early on that they would be too expensive, but decided it would be best to include them.

Patrick,
will the systems really be shipping next week?

Avner.

Maybe some were already shipped. I got a notice from Tower regarding order payment and the order status is now "being picked and packed in the warehouse."

On another subject, one of the spec points on the Castle site regarding how many cells can be used says:

"Controller and motor max 2S. Controller alone with motor of lower KV max = 3S."

So the controller is good to 3S like we suspected.

But what about the motor? If a 4600 is good to 3S when using with a Mamba Max or Pro, shouldn't the 1410 1Y motor be usable on 3S with a controller that has higher current handling capability, like a MMP or Monster?

Not sure if anyone saw, but on the sidewinder sct page CC have made a list of motors, and then made suggestions after each with what esc to use. The 9000kv motor has OMGWTFBBQ in the comments section, just thought that was really funny!

yep looks like a great deal to me, im sure i will buy one

Maybe the limit is not because of current handling but because of a switching speed limitation.

I think that with a 4 pole motor the ESC needs to switch power to the winding twice as many times per rev compared to a 2 pole motor.

If that is correct, then running a 4800KV 4 pole motor on 3 cells would require the same switching speed as running a 2 pole 9600KV on 3 cells or a 2 pole 4800KV on 6 cells.

Maybe Patrick could enlighten us.

Avner.

My guess is the 1410 on 3s might pull too much current on the sc controller. Just a guess
sounds interesting though as I have not tried 3s on the 4600 yet. I'm sure the mmpro can handle it but I didn't even think about switching speed.

I understand the 1410 on 3S might be beyond what the Sidewinder SC can handle - that's why I asked abouit using with MMP or Monster. I didn't think about switching speed until later, by which time Ferret had already posted his reply. The 1410 4 pole on 3S would need a switching speed equivalent to that required by an 11,400KV 2 pole motor on 2S. That's up to 96K RPM on the 2 pole motor with 2S.

We don't recommend 3s because if we did, everyone with a 4wd SC truck would immediately try it... And that motor isn't appropriate for 3s in a 4wd SCT truck.

Both the motor and controller are 3s capable, in the right application... But not in a 4wd SCT truck.

I heard from an inside source the sidewinder sc esc is actually closer in capability to the original mamba max. Is this true? What kind of power handling are we looking at?

What is the BEC output voltage for the sidewinder ESC?

It's a 5V BEC, just like the original Sidewinder.

Yes, the power handling on the Sidewinder SCT is close to the original Mamba Max.

It's quite robust. :yes:

Patrick, I have a 3+year old mamba max setup with a 4600kv CM 36 motor, I am planning to get a 4600kv 1406 and a 1410/3800kv for running in a stadium truck (associated T4). If i wanted to save money, I could just get the motors. Is there anything in the design of the sc sidewinder that the mamba max is missing? Would it perform better my mamba max? Just wondering if i really need to replace the esc, to get the most out of the motors. Thanks for any info

So is the new motor going to be available separately along with the speed controls and combos hitting the shelves, or are they coming later?

Definitely want the motor for the SC10...may as well get the combo though at $110 and put the speedo in the buggy too though. HRMM.

The MM is a great controller - - power handling of the SCT is close, but not quite the same as the MM. The MM has higher burst capacity than the SCT, but the SCT has a better thermal design than the MM.

I'd stick with the MM and save the money. Then get an SCT later if you want a less expensive option to the MMP.

Thanx!

Patrick any ETA on just the motors and a guestimate on street price - Cheers

Thanks Patrick, i didn't see anything different, even the BEC is the same type. Glad i don't need the SC to fully use the new motors

come one patric, you need to start putting a good adjustable bec into all of the new esc's, we would all be more than happy to pay the little bit extra it would cost

5a bec's are great for stock traxxas servos but alot of us run servos that need much more and haveing to ad an external bec to everything we run just makes our wireing look unclean and makes it harder to pass inspections at the track

Got one!
 

My Sidewinder SCT arrived. It is raining here today so I will have to wait to try it. Got some pics.

Nice packaging:
http://s92437987.onlinehome.us/ebaypics/Misc/sct-1.jpg

Without the foam:
http://s92437987.onlinehome.us/ebaypics/Misc/sct-2.jpg

Just the motor: 4 Pole for more torque. "Fins" are not really fins but grooves in the motor can:
http://s92437987.onlinehome.us/ebaypics/Misc/sct-3.jpg

Blower fits nice, came with zip ties to hold it on:
http://s92437987.onlinehome.us/ebaypics/Misc/sct-4.jpg

Just the ESC - a nice label:
http://s92437987.onlinehome.us/ebaypics/Misc/sct-5.jpg

And shows as 3S capable in the right application:
http://s92437987.onlinehome.us/ebaypics/Misc/sct-6.jpg

Last but not least, the expected warning at the bottom of the instruction sheet:

"This product may contain chemicals known to the state of Califiornia to cause cancer and or birth defects or other reproductive harm. Do not eat this product, it doesn't taste good."

where did you get it from?

Ordered it from Tower on September 19th - the day I saw it listed.

One thing leaves me puzzled regarding the Sidewinder SC combo.

The motor is more complex than the cm36 motors.
The controller handles more power than the regular Sidewinder.
It comes with a Blower.
And yet it retails for less money the regular Sidwinder combo.

It just sounds too good to be true.
What gives?

Avner.

BTW - this puzzelments didn't prevent me from pre-ordering one for myself and another two fror friends.

Yes, isn't that amazing.

Maybe Patrick just wants to take over the entire market for ROAR mod motors and is willing to go with a lower margin to pump up the volume.

Similar thing with MMP vs MM - a more capable ESC that cost less to manufacture so the saving was passed on to the consumer.

It will be really interesting to see the prices of the standalone motors (1406 as well as the 1410).

OK, just saw a price for the standalone 1406: Tower has it listed for $102 with a retail price of $120.

Which seems weird because the retail price they list for the Sidewinder SCT system (motor, ESC, and blower) is $120.

A vendor on eBay is selling them for $127 shipped...I'm getting mine on sat!!...

Silly question. Where is the ESC made?

I'm sure mike will list them soon. How about throwing a bone to the monster. :)

In our Kansas facility. All our ESCs are made in our Kansas facility.

I want one!

Thing is I don't know if I would run it in the 4x4 or the 2x4!

Patrick any word on getting into the mounting market. I would think you have all the equipment to make plastic hold downs and mounts for all your esc's there is certainly a market for them. Traxxas took that from you on the MMM. You guys should look into that. I would love to be able to mount this using screws!

This system just pulled the rug out from under Tekin and their long awaited 2-pole 4x4 motors.