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Kcaz25 10.29.2010 07:38 PM

What is next for 1/8th scale racing? Lets chat
 
What is next for 1/8th scale racing?

reno911 10.29.2010 07:41 PM

I know this isn't what everyone wants to hear!

Traxxas.

They haven't stepped in yet, but once they do they will probably change racing again. I hold it to them for making things cheaper to get into the hobby and get racing. I know some here think lowly of this company but I will wait to see what it is that they can come up with next. Since, whatever it is it always is followed by a class to race them in.

josh9mille 10.29.2010 08:26 PM

Hopefully whatever they make will not have plastic axles :no:

whitrzac 10.30.2010 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kcaz25 (Post 385888)
What is next for 1/8th scale racing?

4 motors, no diffs, no center driveline...


if I had the $$$$ I would do a little experimentation with a TC, but....

FG101C 10.30.2010 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by whitrzac (Post 385909)
4 motors, no diffs, no center driveline...


if I had the $$$$ I would do a little experimentation with a TC, but....

+1, would be interesting.

_paralyzed_ 10.30.2010 02:00 AM

Ammunition. Banana peels. Think Mario Kart via r/c. Death Races.

reno911 10.30.2010 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by _paralyzed_ (Post 385915)
Ammunition. Banana peels. Think Mario Kart via r/c. Death Races.

I always wondered what a demolition derby would be like. Or a figure 8 race!

JThiessen 10.30.2010 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by reno911 (Post 385889)
I know this isn't what everyone wants to hear!

Traxxas.

They haven't stepped in yet, but once they do they will probably change racing again. I hold it to them for making things cheaper to get into the hobby and get racing. I know some here think lowly of this company but I will wait to see what it is that they can come up with next. Since, whatever it is it always is followed by a class to race them in.

HPI isn't in the 1/8th scale game either....

reno911 10.30.2010 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JThiessen (Post 385946)
HPI isn't in the 1/8th scale game either....

Cough... http://www.hpiracing.com/kitinfo/103420/ Cough...

brian015 10.30.2010 04:38 PM

cough...Hot Bodies...cough

simplechamp 10.30.2010 05:10 PM

Hot Bodies also had the Lightning series buggy and truggy

I think the obvious thing is more electric specific kits, as opposed to nitro conversions. Chassis and overall build designed with electric power in mind from day one.

Battery technology seems to be moving very fast, so there should be some interesting developments there in the near future.

I'm not sure how much bigger "big bore" shocks can get, but it seems like every year someone tries to sneak in another millimeter or two. This prediction is more of a joke than anything, but we'll see I guess?

Semi Pro 10.30.2010 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kcaz25 (Post 385888)
What is next for 1/8th scale racing?

belted tires,fusion reactors and more cowbell


wingless buggys, 60mph strights and the end of maxamps over inflated C rateing


more than 5amp bec's in castles esc, servos that make over 500oz of torque at 6v and more usless rules from roar


a real brushless system from novak, 10cell buggys,sensored outrunners, and freezy will quit rc again

JThiessen 10.30.2010 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by reno911 (Post 385962)

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian015 (Post 385971)
cough...Hot Bodies...cough

:oops::oops::neutral:

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Originally Posted by Kcaz25 (Post 385982)
Some mod please remove this bit. Very offensive.

Ditto that - c'mon Frosty, you know better.

magman 10.30.2010 11:48 PM

The major manufacturers will finally get their heads out of their behind when it comes to electric conversions and FINALLY listen/talk to RC MONSTER MIKE for how to do it right from the start....:neutral:

DwightSchrute 10.31.2010 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by magman (Post 386009)
The major manufacturers will finally get their heads out of their behind when it comes to electric conversions and FINALLY listen/talk to RC MONSTER MIKE for how to do it right from the start....:neutral:

i would love to see Mike design an 1/8 buggy. :yes:

simplechamp 10.31.2010 03:39 PM

I agree magman and Dwight, that's what I was kind of getting at in my previous post.

The whole idea of a "conversion" implies taking a vehicle built for one purpose (nitro) and adapting it for another purpose (electric). Don't get me wrong, the conversions work, and work well, but it would still be nice to migrate towards electric-specific vehicles built from the ground up. Let the nitro guys have to worry about taking the newest, best vehicle and convert it over to nitro, that will be the day!

76Bentley 10.31.2010 03:46 PM

True electric buggy.
 
I am with Simplechamp on this one. I am crazy for 8th scale buggies and want to see one built from the ground up for nothing but insane electric power. (The Hyper 9 was nice, but still borrowed a lot from its nitro counterpart) The current stuff is great and I am certainly not complaining, but it seems where the big racing trend from the serious companies for nitro has been to lighten the parts....drives, diffs, shock towers ect....I would like to see one that is just over built and balanced for electric from the ground up. And make a battery trey that can adjust to fit ROAR packs for the racers and adjust for the rest of us that may use packs bigger than 138 millimeters. Just my 2 cents.

Freezebyte 10.31.2010 05:33 PM

Needless to say, were not seeing anything new in the buggy area because apparently, the RC companys don't see much money in it which in the end is the goal of all businessess, to make a profit while taking advantage of supply and demand

Buggys are all but useless IMO unless your a racer or just love driving really fast in even dirt areas with smalls jumps which = boring IMO. No buggy I've seen could take the punishment a MT can during heavy bashing and thats what alot of people love to do with RC cars, bash and screw around. SC exploded because it was a new, cheap alternative to everything else for racing but now, even thats starting to fade away because of costs to keep up with the other racers.

In this economy, Mommy and daddy can't or won't splurge $500+ on little Billys new RC hobby that may or may not last long, especially racing against veterans with bigger pocket books

E-Revonut 10.31.2010 06:31 PM

I don't understand the lure of buggies myself, unless your on a groomed track or pavement they are useless. A truggy is a good alternative, good mixture of handling and go anywhere driveability of a MT, don't gett me wrong though, I miss having a MT and want to sell off a buch of stuff and get a Savage Flux

Freezebyte 10.31.2010 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by E-Revonut (Post 386080)
I don't understand the lure of buggies myself, unless your on a groomed track or pavement they are useless. A truggy is a good alternative, good mixture of handling and go anywhere driveability of a MT, don't gett me wrong though, I miss having a MT and want to sell off a buch of stuff and get a Savage Flux

Nothing beats the thrill of watching your MT power through almost anything in its path, especially loose dirt, weeds, leaves, sand, hell... anything! No finesse racing crap with MT, just raw GTFO of my way powa!


http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...smallflux3.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...e2/frost11.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...dirtspray3.jpg


http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...lux/yeahaa.jpg

E-Revonut 10.31.2010 07:04 PM

I miss my E-Maxx!!! I want to sell off my helicopters, Slash, mini revo, and maybe even my rc18t and sc10 to get a Flux. I really wish associated would get on the bandwagon and make an electric MT. Nothing against conversions but I like the cleanliness of a factory job and I don't want a CD in a MT, it defeats the purpose! Until I sell everything off or until next race seanon my RC-M RC8T will have to do the job. I gave 6s a try and it was insane even at 20+MPH wheelies where no problem and I only have 10k in the center diff

E-Revonut 10.31.2010 07:39 PM

I really think that 1/8 scale electric truggys will start to take off more as the technolgy keeps advancing and batteries to push a truggy are getting cheaper. A true electric truggy would be nice but Mike's RC8T conversion is probably better than anything the manufacturers will release. There's no need to redesign the front and rear ends for an elecric version. Mike's chassis isn't just a copy of the factory chassis, it is truly a balanced electric truggy. The only thing I would like to see is some stronger CVD pins and axles, I've twisted a rear axle apart and snapped a pin on the front center shaft, otherwise it's been a rock solid truck

magman 10.31.2010 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by simplechamp (Post 386063)
I agree magman and Dwight, that's what I was kind of getting at in my previous post.

The whole idea of a "conversion" implies taking a vehicle built for one purpose (nitro) and adapting it for another purpose (electric). Don't get me wrong, the conversions work, and work well, but it would still be nice to migrate towards electric-specific vehicles built from the ground up. Let the nitro guys have to worry about taking the newest, best vehicle and convert it over to nitro, that will be the day!

What I should have added follows your post a bit. Design an electric buggy/truggy from the ground up with also taking into consideration the few weak points that BL power has pointed out....axles, pins as stated above. Then you truly would have an exceptional rig.

The Monster has the market cornered as far as electric chassis layouts go. To date I have seen nothing remotely close to the quality/balance of an RCM electric chassis.

DwightSchrute 10.31.2010 09:04 PM

i'd also like to see a STRONG 1/8 buggy made with an easy mechanical brake setup and a motor mount that uses standard pinions. i think the tekno conversions are pretty cool, but i'd really like to see them able to use standard pinions.

on a side note...i just bought my second e-revo...the MT's are awsome for bashing.

marzac2 11.01.2010 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DwightSchrute (Post 386086)
i'd also like to see a STRONG 1/8 buggy made with an easy mechanical brake setup and a motor mount that uses standard pinions. i think the tekno conversions are pretty cool, but i'd really like to see them able to use standard pinions.

on a side note...i just bought my second e-revo...the MT's are awsome for bashing.

Tekno's V4 kits will all be able to use standard pinions and are coming out soon!

DwightSchrute 11.01.2010 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by marzac2 (Post 386115)
Tekno's V4 kits will all be able to use standard pinions and are coming out soon!

it's about time. I've always really liked tekno's stuff but was put off by the necessity of long shank pinions. i'll definately get an RC8 v4 and 8ight v4. thanks for the info! :yes:

JThiessen 11.01.2010 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DwightSchrute (Post 386123)
it's about time. I've always really liked tekno's stuff but was put off by the necessity of long shank pinions. i'll definately get an RC8 v4 and 8ight v4. thanks for the info! :yes:

I was initially put off by them too, but after running my 8T with the long shank pinion, I've been really happy with it. Kinda prefer having two grub screws now.

Freeze - any chance you could downsize your pics -

DwightSchrute 11.01.2010 09:46 AM

i just looked at the V4, and it looks like you still can't run mechanical brakes on standard pinions.

http://www.teknorc.com/product_info....65c4bfb80e6d4f

that stinks. i was really hoping that you could.

Freezebyte 11.01.2010 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JThiessen (Post 386128)

Freeze - any chance you could downsize your pics -

Get a bigger monitor

johnrobholmes 11.01.2010 02:58 PM

I heard something about sensored outrunners? Is this just a whim?

Semi Pro 11.01.2010 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by johnrobholmes (Post 386162)
I heard something about sensored outrunners? Is this just a whim?

i know you worked on it for some time, getting any further?

johnrobholmes 11.01.2010 04:14 PM

I can build them no problem. It is the factories that I am still wrestling with. They don't understand winding diagrams (or english for that matter), and there is a 1/3 chance that they can still wind it right but place the sensors wrong. The other 2/3 chance is basically CW and CCW rotation with a bit of phase retermination.

marzac2 11.02.2010 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DwightSchrute (Post 386132)
i just looked at the V4, and it looks like you still can't run mechanical brakes on standard pinions.

http://www.teknorc.com/product_info....65c4bfb80e6d4f

that stinks. i was really hoping that you could.


You can! :yes:

JThiessen 11.05.2010 11:00 AM

Belted tires PLEASE!!!

DwightSchrute 11.05.2010 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by marzac2 (Post 386214)
You can! :yes:

yeah? that would be awsome. the description i read didn't make it sound like it but if that's true, i'll definately get it.

Freezebyte 11.05.2010 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JThiessen (Post 386656)
Belted tires PLEASE!!!

And pay more for tires then I already am? Screw that

ikpthegame 11.05.2010 02:12 PM

do you ever not whine about stuff? if it cost too much for you, then dont play.

josh9mille 11.05.2010 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikpthegame (Post 386675)
do you ever not whine about stuff? if it cost too much for you, then dont play.

X2

I think belted tires are a necessity now days with the higher speeds cars/trucks can reach with brushless motors. Plus i think it would help out with wheel bearing and suspension life. Ever watch a suspension arm flex back and forth when a tire expands and gets further and further out of ballance?

Freezebyte 11.05.2010 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikpthegame (Post 386675)
do you ever not whine about stuff? if it cost too much for you, then dont play.

If nobody whined, nothing in the world would get improved or change.

redshift 11.05.2010 03:54 PM

Well most of us are whining then. because belted tires would be the single most significant next step for RC since BL/Lithium.


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