Lets condense Savage info!
 

So I see there are alot of people who like savvys here. Not my favorite but I have a few and want to finish up some projects.

What I would like to do is get some info laid out here. Not looking to get laid by Harold...

1st up is what vehicles come with what diffs?

I know the older savvys (21 and 25?) had diffs with only 2 spiders. Later models (X?) had 4 spider diffs stock.

What diffs do flux have? I think there was an upgrade to the bulletproof at some point, can someone clarify this?

Also, which diffs does the XL come with?

Mainly doing this to aid my search for parts, and use the chop shops on ebay for better deals as I could use other parts too.

Also would like to know what options I have for flux transmissions. Pretty sure I remember some sort of internal gear upgrade??


Any help would be greatly appreicated!

Also would like the strongest dog bones and drive cups. Want to stick with stock length arms, as that track width works with my 5t sized project.

I remember that the XL has stock arms, but uses spacers to get the extra track width. Is there an outer hub that can be used with the XL dogbones to not use the spacer? I also think HPI sold a "heavy duty" dogbone setup for the std X savage.

flux and XL have always shared the same diffs. at first it was the HD diffs and then they were both upgraded to the BP diffs about a yr ago. savage 21 and 25 had the same diffs, but im not sure what diffs the X came with.

The strongest dogbones come on the flux and XL. Do not buy the chrome HD dogbones or cups from the savage SS kits as they are just weak garbage. As far as the hubs go nobody really makes a set that are worth a shit, but here is a link to what another member here did: http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...t=28379&page=2

Good info, thanks Josh.

Ok, so now I am at the rear hub carriers. I like the fixed design, and looks like integy is my best bet. Seeing that the difference in the flux and xl are the dogbone lengths, I guess I should order the integy rear carrier for savvy x, not xl?

Which dogbone should I go with? Any benefit running the xl length ones? I am guessing I will have to run xl carriers/hubs if I go with xl shafts?

Why did they make the xl shafts longer? Thought they used hub extenders to get the extra width?

Better to just stick with flux parts? I have a bunch of savvy X suspension parts, guessing those will be compatible with the flux axles, etc.

I love my integy ones. Not sure which ones they are though.

Correction, the flux and xl dogbones are the same, so are the diff outdrives. Difference is in the outer wheel axle, the xl is longer to accomodate the spacers.

So I will stick to the flux wheels axles, BP diffs with the hd outdrives from either a flux or xl and the HD dogbones.

Now can anyone tell me what if any difference there is with the hub carrier and hubs? Both the xl and flux are marketed with improved, stronger parts, but does that apply to both the hub and carrier? I only ask as I have quite a few X hubs and carriers that I can use.

Also guessing all of the lower arms are the same, as I have a bunch of those too.

Ok, according the online nmanuals on HPI the hubs and carrier s are the same between the flux and X, p/n 85048. Sems to contradict with what the features page says:

"The Savage Flux HP features the uprights designed for the larger tires and weight of the Savage XL, giving you the assurance that you'll be able to deal out the same abuse that all the other nitro-powered Savage trucks can handle! Beefy parts mean the Savage Flux HP can take the abuse and punishment of extreme off-road driving."

Just checked the XL manual and it shows p/n 85048 as well. So I already have those parts.

Now I wonder why integy sells 2 different rear hubs for the X and XL?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...K%3AMEWNX%3AIT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT

I bought both... I have one truck that I have stretched out to a 15" WB. Since there is no difference in the hubs between the flux, X and XL they must be able to be used on all of them...

as far as i know the only parts different between the x and the flux/XL are the dogbones, cups, diffs, and the flux has bulkheads that are all their own, they are just made out of a stronger, less flexible plastic. Im not sure where you got the idea that the hubs and carriers are different? That is news to me if its true.
EDIT: maybe its because the flux and XL have bigger diameter axles? 8mm on flux/XL vs whatever the X has?

See the above quote, I guess they mean the hub when they say "uprights"???

According to the manual the X uses the same bearings that the flux and xl use, so the axle is the same size... The X does use the shiny axles, dogbones and diff outdrives and those are not that strong...

I do not think there is any difference, the arms, hubs and carriers are all the same part numbers.

Same non-BP diffs that the XL has.

All the uprights, hubs, arms, etc. are the same between the X, XL and Flux. Only differences are that the XL and Flux both use the HD axles and dogbones; XL has wider axles than the Flux, about .5" wider. Because of the HD dogbones, the XL/Flux also use different cups than the X for the diffs.

As to the two Integy parts, I think the first one is an older part with the second one being a newer part. I've been running the second one with mine, using the X SS's adjustable upper a-arm.

So the XL does not have Bulletproof diffs? Would be nice to know as I would like to buy complete bulks with diffs off ebay...

I had a feeling the 2 integy rear hubs were the same, I have both coming now so oh well!!! Also found a set of atomic rear hubs in the savvy parts box. So I guess I will build 3 savvy trucks...

Will have to buy a bunch of parts to do that.

Honestly I don't know what they are now. I do know they had the non-BP bulletproof diffs, which the manual shows.

Looks like the XL still has the old diffs? (even though they are "discontinued")

http://www.hpieurope.com/piw.php?partNo=102692&lang=en

I will buy your Atomic rear hubs if you would sell them.

According to HPI US the XL has the bulletproof diffs... I just ordered 1 xl bulk and the ad said it has the 9/29 gearing...

I will give the rear hubs a try and see which I prefer. IIRC the atomic were the best, next to the HPI ones that came with the expensive suspension kit.

Ok, so what are the best center drive cups to use? I have a few of the silver ones from the X SS kits, and I appear to have some black ones too, possibly came with the xl center dogbones i bought a while back.

Seems like the black parts are superior to the silver ones... Anyone know for sure?

I'm not having any issues with the HD silver center diff cups on FB2, no denting either vs the black ones. Wish they make em also for the outer drives on the diffs.


http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...2/drivecup.jpg

If you want to wear notches in your drive cups after the first few batteries then get the chrome ones. If you want them to last a long time (my stock flux cups show VERY little wear after maybe 30 batteries) then run the flux/XL units. I cant say for a fact that the flux/XL uses standard X center drive cups or not.

Can you show pics of the used chrome vs the used stock black ones?

Yeah, I ran across the Atomics, but could never put my hands on any... really wanted to though.

86276 and 86277 I haven't seen before.

http://www.hpiracing.com/products/en/86276/ says they are a option part for even the Flux, but then again they claim they are standard on the X SS.

Sometimes HPI just can't get their story straight.

This is my previous front drive cup (stock Flux)
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/...x/drivecup.jpg

The rear one was no where near as bad.

On my new build I'm using part 86277 as per Freezebyte and both front and rear are wearing well, about the same as the old rear stock one. Not using 86276 as I don't have the gearbox.

Wow, thats a lot of wear! I just went and looked at mine and there is actually no wear at all, I thought there was a little but i was mistaken. Here is a pic of mine. I only run 5s and 6s

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...0104111453.jpg

both my old gear box ones look fine like yours, it's front\rear diff ones that had wear on them.

I just looked at mine and yeah they are a little worn but not quite as much as yours. I remember I tried the chrome cups on my old nitro savage and they didnt last nearly as long as the stock ones, they were almost like butter. I wonder why the tranny output cups dont wear?

I have both types, ands will try them both out and see how they do...

Tried to fit the atomic hubs, but I need a shorter lower hingepin. The stock carriers sit outside the arms, but the atomic (and integy and hpi) hubs sit insde, making the pin too long. They did not come with the correct length pins either... BS.

Did some research, apparently hpi sold a 4x50mm shaft set that secures with e clips on each end. Not available anymore. This is what others have used with the atomic hubs. I could add a screw to the arm to capture the flanged end of the stock hpi pin. And then cut the end off that extends out. I will see if the arms have an area to add a screw.

Looks like the integy parts i got have the pins so i will give them a try with the atomic carriers.

You can get these: (or someone from the UK can post them to you)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HPI-86376-SUSP...-/160506095635

That is them, I will see if the integy ones come with the correct length shafts. If so I will just pirate those!

I have the Integy XL carriers, they came with the correct length shafts for the Flux lower arms.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/...t/IMG_0482.jpg

Good to know, the atomic website shows the carriers with correct length pins in the pics, but both of mine did not come with any in the packets, and no mention of them in the instructions. Oh well.

I laso have the Integy XL carriers and can say they come with shaft that fit perfect!
http://forum.modelarji.com/datoteke/...medium_918.jpg

Alsright, got some good pics of the hubs now, thanks for those guys!

On to shocks. Keep in mind this project has changed to a 19" WB MT that will likely run a set of super bolt on tires with half offset 40 series wheels. Gives me about 18" width.

So what should I use for shocks? Currently have the 8 "small bores" that came with the X SS kit. I do not mind going to other brands, but would like to keep the costs down, as I am cheap.

I will get a weight on everything tomorrow, might help with shock selection.

4 Flux shocks. Use either one of the following springs:

#86553 SHOCK SPRING 18x80x1.8mm 12.5 COILS (WHIT 159gF/mm)
#86554 SHOCK SPRING 18x80x1.8mm 11.5 COILS (YEL 177gF/mm)

Standard Flux spring is

#86551 SHOCK SPRING 18x80x1.8mm 14.5 COILS (PINK 134gF/mm)

You can pick up the Flux shocks on ebay pretty cheap; granted not as cheap as the older Savage shocks, but oh well.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m.../outdrives.jpg

Looks like the shocks will run about 10 bucks each shipped. I am guessing the stock springs will be a bit weak? I will weigh my truck and you can tell me if the white or yellow springs will be better. I plan to bash it so I am guessing the yellow will be the way to go.

Depending on weight, if you use the long plastic tube and just the one spring on each shock you may find the pink spring is fine. That's what I am using but my build is a couple hundred grams lighter than a stock Flux (about 3730gm without wheels, battery, shell).

If you use the yellow spring with the tubes it will be very stiff.

I will try just a set of the flux shocks. Maybe add thicker fluid to them. What weight is the stock fluid? Would it be a good idea to tear them down and rebuild with some green slime? If I have to dump the fluid...might as well go all they way.

I tried 40wt in FB2 but found it to be too stiff so I went back to 30wt and used green slime

I really need a set of these...

hpi 86376 hinge pins

Does anyone know who stocks them or has left over stock???
I couldnt find them on the bay!

or maybe sells their pins individually?