The runners up are closing the gap hopefully:-)
 

Now Novak, LRP and Orion, not in that order, are making new brushless 1/8 motors, that are 4 pole, and actually may be up to the task! :lol:

Novaks version: http://www.redrc.net/2011/05/novak-b...rs/#more-42562

Orions: http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=262764

LRP:Well I saw them somewhere, very similar to the Orions above, but can't find them. The net is so BIG, I can't keep tabs on every site:whistle:

Anyone held or driven one yet?

TG

Viper is also coming out with new 1/8's.

I am surprised it took Novak this long to build these. Although they are geared more toward the 1/10 market.

the Orions look interesting though...any idea on prices?

Novak can suck it. They've been screwing RC'ers through ROAR for long enough.
They will never get a single penny of my hard earned cash. Period.

I'll stick with Castle and Neu, good for the hobby and good honest people to do business with.

My $0.02... That is all.

Now, if CC could come out with a sensored motor, it would be nice. Or better yet, a replaceable sensored endcap that could be used on any of their current motors...

I second that!

Those Orion motors look nice though, I like how the rotor is larger diameter for bigger bearings but steps down to 5mm for pinion gear compatibility. Looks like they have M4 and M3 thread holes on the front endbell too.

Why the hate for Novak? What did they do?

Novak missed for five years, he can sympathize
But Orion has the meaning of hate - the motor shaft 4.5mm

"Specifications MR8
- Weight 313g
- Length 66.5mm
- Diameter incl. cooling fins 42.9mm
- Shaft diameter 4.5mm
- Shaft length 23mm "

That's gotta be wrong. Why would they make a motor in that class that requires a special kind of pinion, BELOW the 5mm mark? What's the point? Just so you can make your own pinions and sell em at a higher price? That's really, really greedy and obvious.

You can probably get a mod that lets you fit 5mm, but because they did that I definately won't support them. It's an extremely arrogant move.

If that is true, the only way to use 5mm pinions would be to use a sleeve that has a material thickness of 0.25mm. 6mm pinions with a better sleeve would then be a better choice, but still crappy.

I would hope that's a misprint because I can't see them selling a whole lot of them given the ever-increasing array of competition out there...

http://rc-auto.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=14119
http://rc-auto.ru/forum/index.php?ac...=post&id=20300

1750 kv max 14.8v/4S? Isn't that a bit low? Castle's 2200kv's can be run on 6s for short periods of time. Just a recommended rating, or does it have something to do with Sensored application?

Also, the watt ratings of the regular size and the large size are almost identical. Why's that? I assume these are burst ratings, or an average rating of continous and burst, but aren't they QUITE low compared to Castle? Or am I misreading it? Is this cause they are sensored? Sensored is supposed to be considerably less powerful than sensorless.

They have intentionally held back the RC market through ROAR regulation arm twisting, forcing racers into an experience of unreliable running gear that lacks performance and increased expense out of sheer greed.

If reliability, cost, and performance were the benchmarks used by the regulating body for RC racing Novak would not only be out of the scene, they would be out of business.

Sorry for the rant, but I didn't want to leave you hanging.

Thank you. But why would people support such a company? There are plenty of other decent setups for brushless racing...

And one would surely think reliability and performance to be the most important factors in racing. :O

Brushless is getting less and less expensive, we're getting more and more choices, so one can hope companies such as Novak won't rule the scene anymore. The rise of Asian brushless gear is also slowly appearing all over the RC world, and it's also getting more and more reliable. Once it gets big enough it should drive western prices down too (Hopefully.).

Fortunately, the companies with the biggest and best PR campaigns won't have ALL the power anymore either. Word of mouth has gotten way more powerful with the internet.

Yup, more people are finding that there are in deed more and better choices out there, and now that Novak is loosing businesss to shops like Tekin and Castle they are starting to "upgrade" their products in a similar fashion, hense this thread. But to awnser your question people were pushed into buying Novac stuff because when they went to their local track they found (and still find) it to be a ROAR regulated environment where sensors are mandatory, 2S lipo was the limit, and many classes required you to run a very specific motor. All of which was geared to keep the sales pointed at Novak.

And that's why even if Novak clones the very best Castle ESC's, makes Neu motors to the finest detail and sells TRUE 50/100C lipo's for pennies on the dollar versus buying the real stuff, they will never see a dime of my cash.

This comment just reminded me of a company named Maxamps :lol::whistle::na:.

Speaking of..

I was marginally interested in the whole debate about R.O.A.R. due to the fact that I hardly race at all. That said, I've listened to pros and cons towards the whole sanctioning body and wondered what the fuss was all about until brushless became mainstream.

First it was brushless motors. Hell, my first brushless setup was a Novak SS 5800 back in 2002. I still have it, and it still works. Granted, you have to gear it properly and certainly won't be going any higher than 2s with it.

Then other companies seemed to come along and simplify things with sensorless technology. Not only were the products cheaper, but they were more robust. In essence, better stuff for RC fans all around. Ah, then R.O.A.R. set up rules which banned sensorless setups.

Next came lipos. At first they weren't even allowed by R.O.A.R. at all. Then there was this nonsense about safety and whatnot. Finally, after they were allowed.. R.O.A.R. has recently limited the thickness of hardcase lipo packs for some idiotic reason. I am more than convinced that R.O.A.R. is biased towards keeping certain manufacturers of inferior, yet more expensive products on the market.

R.O.A.R. should be ashamed of themselves..

Sounds pretty well corrupted. I'm surprised it still exists?

Are you serious? Absolute power corrupts absolutely... ALWAYS. Just look at USA's politicians for example...

Why the 4,5mm shaft you ask? Probably so they can sell a whole new rotor with a 5mm shaft to the buyers, or a whole new set of 4,5mm pinions:lol::whip:

I hope the LRP stuff is "da bomb"! Named dynamic 8, I think they look almost like the orions and come in 1800kv, 2200kv, and 2600kv and maybe other kv's.

TG

they need lower kv's to get my interest, closer to 1100kv will get my attention. This is why i'm looking at tekin or castle for my next setup

I never thought I would comment on O.S. engines on RCM but they are embarking on the brushless market with motors for airplanes. Who knows, they might follow up with motors for helicopters and even for cars, trucks and buggies. If they are as reliable as their glow engines, they should be very good motors.

http://www.osengines.com/motors/index.html

Since OS is owned by greatplanes (Towerhobbies) I would assume the motors are rebadged something else. They already have several lines of BL motors through greatplanes companies and I would imagine that the OS line is to get the attention of the hard core nitro and gas flying people.

Funny story but a couple of years back I was at a big RC show and heard an interesting conversation. There was a single large scale electric out of about 150-200 gas/nitro large scale planes. The pilot took it up to the area where they start engines etc before moving on to the runway and taking off. He checked everything and gave a quick buzz to the props and stopped awaiting his turn. Meanwhile two other guys were making fun of him and why he wasted time with those silly electrics. They commented how he couldn't even keep it started! :oh::rofl: I really had to hold back from falling off the bench I was sitting on laughing. So when it was his turn he throttled right up, moved on to the runway, took off, and had a great flight. He was the only one who didn't have engine stalls/issues at all. I never said anything to those guys but commented about their ignorance loudly enough to my father-in-law for them to hear. They wouldn't even look at me afterward since they had made such asses out of themselves. Other people around me heard what I said as well. I wasn't rude, just politely stated that they didn't know what they were talking about and how reliable electric is.

Anyway, when I first got into lipo I knew a Heli guy who was hardcore electric and converting large scale before anyone actually made kits for electrics other than the small stuff. He told me that in 10 years (about 5 years from now) that most large scale stuff would be electric.

I can see why, when I watch the struggles of those guys getting multi engine setup going correctly (even with regular gas motors) electric is the obvious choice. Surely you don't get the same sound but the props still make a nice buzz and are loud on the the large scale stuff.

I do see a lot more of the turbines in large scale too including turbo props at the local events now. To me that is very interesting too and the seem very reliable albeit expensive.

ROAR approved Hard case lipos with reversible bullets just promotes polarity errors, and increases ROAR approved Esc purchases.

Endless supply of 3s Esc's,
Please paint me in a corner ROAR,
money grows on trees....

BEST IDEA EVER!


Patrick your on notice, we must have a removeable/replaceable sensored end cap for current motor, this should be easy for castle, if people can geto build them then it should be no problem for you guys

I always personally thought that "ROAR approved" items (motors, escs, batteries.) were limited, as in relatively limited performance and power, cause to be roar approved it has to meet a bunch of racer specifications. ROAR doesn't race 6s or anything higher than 4S (I think?), and they don't focus on power or performance as much as general racing.

Or, in other words, the motor/ESC that was ROAR approved would obviously not be much more powerful than other items that are roar approved, just slightly tweaked (settings, etc.).

Hobbywing
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http://forum.rcdesign.ru/f71/thread162668-6.html