New Monster?
 

Isn't it about time castle did a major update of the Mamba Monster?
Maybe Data logging , smaller size or a sensor port.
Castle must sell bucket loads of these things and just like the Mamba Max will the monster evolve?

Evolution takes time. Let's give it a few hundred millennia and see what happens. :lol:

8S, 200amps, data logging, sensor option, 20amp BEC, bomb proof internal fan, water proof, no switch, mounting tabs, progressive forward/neutral/reverse LED's...

All in the footprint of a MMP :-)

If it ain't broke why fix it. I just have to wonder, how many people that buy them would actually use data logging? My guess is less than 1%.

I would love data logging :D

Have it on my Losi 8 (MMXL) and my hyper 10SC (ICE HV80), I look at both logs all the time. Realy useful when I change battery voltage/capacity, gear changes, tire changes, ESC settings, even suspension changes (nice to see how much throttle I'm using to compensate for nose diving while jumping).

MMM Pro was briefly discussed a while back ( sensored version basically ), but there isnt really much castle could do to the MMM without totally redesigning it > new esc essentially.

The MMPro is almost as capable as the MMM + has sensored capability, but data logging in such a small esc would be tricky ( look at the size of an MGM esc or the MM(M)XL for instance )...

I'm already satisfied with the MMM considering how long we've waited for it to come out.

I dont think the data logging processor takes much board space, check the dimensions on a Phoenix ICE HV 40, it's tiny!

Well the Sidewinder and Mamba Max have both had major overhauls after a few years so it is a possible that the monster is due for it

Hmm, true, although that esc is only rated for 40amps- the more comparable ~120amp escs ( lite or regular flavour :lol: ) are somewhat larger, though it would be interesting to see how much space the data logging components actually take up for any given current rating..

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Stop playing with my heart patrick!


data loging on everything castle would really force the reds and the ornges to step their game up

Once you have a great product why change it. In my opinion nothing really compares for the price and I'm sure they would like to make back R&D costs and then start generating as much profit as they can.
Sounds like a new controller might be in order. 8S, and all the other bells and whistles DrKnow mentioned sound cool, but that sounds more like a pretty serious re-design.

They could just use a different FET...maybe add another power board and mold a new case. Voila! MMMHV! :lol:

Really the monster is great for what its designed to do. Great price also. I use them in my RC drag cars and they get a hammering but i am selfish and always want more.:yes:

Data logging would likely decrease equipment failure rates as people could see what strain they are putting on there electronics and it would also be a super tuning tool. Could prevent things like the three ESC's I just got back repaired from castle.

would rather have 8s capability in the same size and price, i dont think the mamba monster i due to an upgrade any time soon. its a pretty nice esc.

As long as a product is selling well, no desire for evolution would the manufacturer have. Castle doesn't have to run ahead too much farther before competitors catch up, they tend to stay where they are and wait.

So, stop buying MMM to accelerate Patrick release his new ideas...:whip::rofl:

the Monster is a very good ESC, the only feature that I would think will be necessary for a hardware update is to have a variable voltage BEC like the newer stuff does. (:

if there IS an updated controller in the works, please considers this new tech for android devices as an alternative for the field link. Or, you know, bluetooth as with the spartan gyros. :) http://www.androidcentral.com/about-...en-accessories

That's pretty cool. It would be like the CastleLink- plug it in, app opens automatically, reprogram, done. :yes:

BlueTooth would be far better, but there are royalties associated with it.

Agreed. 6s/120 amps and pretty tough all at a good price and backed by a great warranty and even once the warranty is expired their repair cost is very reasonable (especially considering you get it back inside of a month compared to several months for other manufacturers that charge more). I've been happy with all of mine (on my 3rd one now). Data logging and a more robust BEC would be good additions but even without them I still buy them and recommend them to people. I've seen a few here local that have blown up, caught fire, or just let the smoke out but for the price and capabilities IMO you can't get a better ESC.

Evolution never ends
 

Evolution never really comes to and end. Making little improvements here and there on any ESC is likely, but making major changes usually results in a new product line, such as the MMXL. The MMM is great for what it was designed and intended for. All of the suggested changes or additions would be great, but there is no way to add all of that without a serious increase in pricing. Some of the MGM's already have most of the items requested, and look at the pricing on those babies. Considering where the "E" side of this hobby was a few years ago things have come a long way already, and will continue to improve in power ranges, and quality for sure. The bells and whistles are no different from those seen on 1:1 vehicles and are not necassarily wanted or needed by everyone in the industry. This is why MGM does more of the personal designs at customer requests.

We are already getting spoiled with the improvements that we have seen lately and of course we would like things to keep moving forward just like they do in the PC business. R&D takes time and money. Patients is the problem now a days. We want it now, and do not care what it takes to get us there. I remember a few years ago when the MM was the best thing going, and people were doing anything they could to get their hands on them. Plus modifying them to make them even better and more durable with CAP banks and better cooling. Look where that has gotten us now. CC will continue to improve their line in an effort to stay ahead of the compition. Personally I think they are doing a fabulous job. I like the fact that Patrick stops in here from time to time for product updates, suggestions, and even leaks on new products coming up in the near future. Thanks Patrick and CC. Please keep up the great work on our behalf.

NOTE: I do believe that we will continue to see increases in voltage and power handling capability now that a lot of the electronic manufacturers have gotten a good grasp on what works and what does not. We are all hungry for more, and all of us know that things are going to get better and better as time marches on.

The only problem I see here is that Castle is going to get left behind in the 1/8th scale area. The MMM is great ESC and the Castle service is second to none but have a look around and you will see that everybody is pushing into the sensored 1/8th ESC market. Hobbywing, Tekin, MGM and Novak have 1/8th Sensored ESC (although Novak being only 4S capable doesn't pose a huge threat) and even Toro8/Trackstar 150 will be available in sensored version really soon.

What I think they should do is keep the current MMM as there is nothing really wrong with it but sell it along side a MMM Pro (or what ever they want to call it) which would have: Sensored operation, solder posts, data logging and Bluetooth or Android application capability. Being Castle and the ESC being backed by theirs second to none service people would be willing to pay a fair bit more than for the standard MMM. Heck, I would for sure.

I think it would be worth it but then again I am not a business man and it's not me laying out the money on the development. I just Hope that Patrick's limited input and total silence from the other Castle techs means that they are working on something like whats being discussed in this thread and just want to keep quiet and give nothing away. Well I hope so.

I can't see sensored being that hard given they have the MMPro...

Data logging I think is just added expense and weight - 98% of people just wont use it or care. I know I used it a few times with the Baja's and now just don't bother...

i would really like to see data logging in a 1/8 castle esc. that's the biggest change that i would like to see. the android programming thing would also be very nice especially since i recently got an android phone (HTC thunderbolt). :yes:

You guys know I can't comment on what hasn't been released publicly yet. :whistle:


But do be sure that we are constantly upgrading the line... We are on V5 of the monster now, and just started shipping Monsters with a new MOSFET that runs cooler than the original.

How can someone tell what version they have? I just recieved a non warranty replacement less than a month ago....would it be the version 5? I know it had a little blue tag on one of the battery wires that said "new stock"

Yes, that would be a V5 then. ;)

Cool! I'll get 3 V5 soon!

I'll be really happy with a variable voltage BEC, a sensor port and a easy to clean/exchage fan.

Taking the controller apart to clean the fan is just too annoying

Arct1k that is the whole point with the data logging feature and that is the grates thing about brushless "Set and forget" (other than power). No way anyone is going to use it every time. It is meant to be used to check your setup and see if batts and gearing is up to the task. After you work out everything is fine data logging is something that will get used next when you make serious changes to your car. Eg, different size wheels, running in sand, new batts..........

The way I look at it having a data logger built into the ESC makes life so much easier and well worth the expense. Buying an additional unit like Eagle Tree data logger will be more expensive and more of a hassle to hook up and secure to the car for a test session. It just makes sense to me.


Patrick, great to hear about the new FETs. Way to go man. I like the way that you guys just never sit on your hands but instead always looking at new way to improve your product line.

Well next to "Yes, the new MMM Pro is coming out soon!" that ^ is probably the best thing I have read in this thread. :lol:

New FETS is good news , great how better components are integrated into the current design.

The first in Moscow mamba monster with Power mosfets from infenion 011N03
so to speak, caught the eye of http://berserk80.users.photofile.ru/.../125406548.jpg
Characteristics of transistors are impressive, whether in later replaced by the driver after the MXL ....

Yes, very nice transistor -- we are the only company in RC using them right now (too expensive for many companies...)

The new driver will be in the next build of Mamba Monster.

Constant improvement happens @ Castle.

Well done! appreciate

what you just said, along with good pricing and great products and service is what has made castle the industry leader and the brand that i stay loyal to when it comes to motors and especially escs.

keep it up and when castle grows enough to go public wall street, i will be buying some of the IPO:whistle:

...so can the MMM run 6s Lipo reliably now without popping??

Well, considering there are literally 10s of thousands of MMMs out there running 6S reliably, what are you really asking??

My Flux has had 4 packs through it so far only but everything seems to be fine. I have only ever run it on 6S from day one. I know it is early days but is seems to be holding up just fine.

In my RC8Te I am running the MMM with the Castle 1518 and again only on 6S. No issues what so ever. It doesn't even get warm enough for the fan to come on most of the time.

On my Serpent 960 I have ran the MMM with Castle 1512 (2650kv) motor on 6S and only 6S. Again holding up just fine.

Two of my MMM's that died seem to have been a BEC related issues but now I run external one on all of them.