Brushless swap problem
 

So, for years, I've been running brushed in my 2wd buggies. I've been running pretty much nothing but 14x2 motors, and having no issues keeping up even with the 7.5s and 8.5s at the track. Car runs cool, runs fast, and needs a comm cut maybe every 10 to 14 race days with a cleaning here and there and the occasional brush swap. It's been dead nuts reliable.

Until now.

Dropped a Tekin 13.5 into it that I got from a buddy, and as soon as the car was plugged in, it basically went FIZZZZZZZZZZ *smoke*. The motor only had 3 runs on it when it was put into the B4.1 FT in question, and it ran perfect when it was pulled from a buddy's RB5.

Any ideas on what may have happened? Here are before swap and after swap pics. Hopefully you see something I don't.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...4/SS851905.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...4/SS851946.jpg

Looks like your using a brushed ESC to try and drive the brushless motor.
You need an ESC that's designed for brushless systems.

thats just all wrong, is this for real?

If this is the same T-birdjunkie on rc tech forum, it's got to be a prank. With 22 posts, in the best place for brushless, you asked the wrong questions

No way this guy is serious. Anyone that has walked past a RC race track will know that you can't run a brushless motor with a brushed speedie. Prankster for sure.:lol:

Dude, I'm not quite sure what you're talking about here, but I think you need a new barber. I didn't know what a "comm cut" was, so I googled it and came up with this guy:

http://www.correct.state.ak.us/corre...tOut_Large.jpg

If this is you, then you definitely need to make a change - tell your barber you no longer want the "comm cut" and go for something else. And he's ripping you off if you have to go back every 2 weeks for a new cut.

Another thing, when you say "a cleaning here and there" - the way most of us clean our hair is when we take a shower, is that what you're talking about?

And the "occasional brush swap" - I'm not sure it this is coded language for something kinky or not, but I'll tell you that I've had the same hairbrush for the last twenty years or so - I think it's made of genuine horsehair - but let me say that you get what you pay for - so you need to invest in something that will last.

Anyway, I hope this helps.

You made it go POOF but you could've made it go faster by using 6s:angel:

Bruce750i says too high of C rating blows them every time.:oh:

Probably the headlight fluid. Either that, or double check the muffler bearings, ever time they make one revolution 1 ounce of grease should drip on the floor. Any less than that and they need a refill too.

I appreciate you guys' sense of humor, but this isn't helping me resolve my problem. Is the root cause of this problem being that you can only run Novak speed controls with Novak motors?

Back when I got the speedo Novak specifically told me that it would run ANY motor I wanted as long as I was running less than 8 cells NiCd. Obviously we're two battery chemistries away from NiCd, but the input voltage is still far lower.

in that case then it sounds like a warranty issue. Better call the motor and ESC manufacturer and explain exactly what is going on. I'm sure they will just hand the company over to you.

The ESC is 12 years old, I'm pretty sure there's no warranty on it:sarcastic:

what kind of CRAP manufacture is that?! not offering a 12 year warranty?! That's bullcrap!

Where did you get info on how to wire the brushless motor in?

12 years ago the only motors readily avilable were brushed motors.. you put a brushless motor on a brushed esc with absolutely no thought in what your wiring was..


This sums up what Im feeling
http://images.cryhavok.org/d/16995-1...20Trolling.jpg

Seriously?

Any kind of motor means any kind of brushed 540 motor.

Brushed escs do not have the ability to run BL motors; the epicness of your fail is matched only by the appallingness of your soldering ( exposed joints nearly touching = very bad ).

Seriously, who on earth does stuff like this-even the guys on the traxxas forum atleast ask if you can run a BL motor on a brushed esc & viceversa.

You need a new BL esc, and probably a new motor too maybe- traxxas VXL system is fairly idiot proof, or look at the Castle Sidewinder SCT system for 2s lipo / 6-9cell nimh use...

OK, Einstein, if I wired it wrong, why don't you tell me how to wire it?

Until I put my RS Pro/10.5 combo in my 2w SCT, I ran a Cyclone TC2 with a Trinity 550 can brushed motor (originally intended for the E-maxx) rewound to a 9t single.

I'm not buying some garbage Traxxas electronics, that would be a waste of money.

And more to the point, were you able to actually see how a Cyclone is laid out, it's damn near impossible to have the solder joints touch...care to explain to me how my solder joints are bad? I've only been soldering on Novak Cyclones longer than your girlfriend has been alive.

I agree, its a pretty nice fail :lol:

Your ESC CANNOT run brushless motors NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!
You will have to buy a NEW ESC for brushless motors and you also may need a new motor the BRUSHED ESC could have easily DESTROYED it.

Brushless technology is in the most part REVERSE COMPATIBLE with brushed motors (ALWAYS CHECK MANUFACTURES OWNERS MANUAL!)
Brushed technology is NOT FORWARD COMPATIBLE with brushless.

IMO you need to buy a complete new set up especially if you are not knowledgeable on the 2 technologies unknowing the difference from brushed to brushless.
That being said I have run Novaks Castle Creations and Traxxas systems the Novaks are the weakest ESCs imo they die WAY to easily altho perfom seamless when they work.
Traxxas is ok,great for watery adventures.
My MMM by CC that I waterproofed is the awesome saucer IMO.

There are many solutions to your predicament.
Hope you find a viable one in short order GL.

can we say TROLL? Come on ill spell it out T-R-O-L-L. Hes just posting to get a rise out of us and to see how long this thread will stay alive, so lets just kill it off. he is a regular over at RCU if that says anything. Nobody could possibly be this fricken retarded, especially if they have been in the hobby for as long as he states he has

http://forum.ntreev.net/grandchase/r...7041.TROAL.jpg

Please just tell us your trolling and we wont be mad.

he want's us to be mad...that's the point of trolling...

Dude,This is my last comment on this, because i believe this is a ride we are being taken on. There is no answer for your problem, but this one. Stay in the brushed pool with the esc, or get a proper Brushless esc and have fun. I'm not getting sucked in by this:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rof l::rofl::rofl:

But brand x told me i could do 100mph with my super everything esc and my tekin motor!!!:lol::lol:

This ESC is toast, but luckily I have a backup Tekin G12CIII to throw in here with a 13x1.

Novak will still service the Cyclone, so for a few bucks and a couple weeks wait, I will have one good as new.

Are you going to try the Tekin 13.5 with that esc, too?

Im guessing thats a brushed esc after seeing some pics of it.

Okay, so one more time:

BRUSHLESS MOTORS DO NOT WORK WITH BRUSHED ESCS.

Now STFU & GTFO you idiotic troll who knows nothing about escs & motors, or the ban hammer awaits...

Slimthelineman would expect nothing less from the funkyjunky and his phony credentials. Yup a three wire brushed controller will run a brushless motor fine! Ha ha.

FYI if your only cutting your comm every 10-14 race days your retarded. Brushed motors need more service than that. Your getting 30+ runs on a cut and set of brushess? Makes no sense. Even when I ran the round brush checkpoints I had to cut every ten runs or less to keep the motor runnin like a raped ape.

Why didn't you post this on rctech huh?

I bet he believes MA makes the best lipos too!

You JUST figured that out?
It's a Novak Cyclone, FFS. I EVEN SAID THAT:lol: It literally took me thirty seconds to solder those motor leads (which came off my RS) to the speedo. And I'm still wondering how you think my solder joints are crap.

Because you and suicideneil are the only ones that are short-sighted enough to believe somebody that owned an RS Pro, a 10.5 and a 13.5 (which were all mentioned in this thread) would do this and expect it to work.

You guys are far too easy.

And if you had to work on your motor more often than that, then you obviously were running some crap Venom motors or something. And you missed the part where I said I'd clean the comm and change brushes between cuts.

Learn to read something other than erroneous electrical theory BS.

T-birdJunkie:

Wow - YOU GOT US!!!! I can't believe it - we are SOOOOOOO EEEEEEAAAAASY!

I mean, you posted at 2:52 AM yesterday and by 5:07 AM there were 3 posts telling what was wrong with your picture and calling it a prank.

Man - did you get us!

T-birdJunkie - YOU RULE!!!!!!!!!!

This is what you're resorting to now? Trolling other RC forums? (terribly I might add) Hope ya feel like a big man now Mr. Thunderbirdjunkie. Sure put us to shame.

T-bird, given how much of a douche you clearly are, I wouldn't be surprised at all if you are stupid enough to solder a BL motor to a BEC and expect it to work really.

I was talking about the Tekin esc when I said it appeared to be brushed, not the Novak esc which everyone knew was brushed from the start.

Im guessing your life is so empty you have to resort to spamming other forums with crap in order to amuse yourself right? Go troll the nitrokillers forums and see how long you last.

Yes but at least I CAN read gaybirdfunky. I ran checkpoints over your beloved venom products. Don't be mad when someone gives you the truth and you don't like the answer. Good thing your smart enough to figure electrical theory out on your own....

XD .... thats fan ;)

I wasn't, you missed this on page 1.

Only reason, I said what I said on page 2, was if for some reason you weren't who i thought and really did something stupid. One problem with the pics , no blackening due to the proposed cookout

When I said "you guys are easy", I was referring to suicideneil and lineman...those are the easy guys :p

This was meant solely as an exercise in humor, and anybody taking it any other way takes life waaaaay too seriously ;)

BTW slim, it's awesome you think so much of ThunderbirdJunkie to make a thread dedicated to his awesome sense of humor on RCTech.

You really are a standup guy :)

Your welcome. Whether it was real or not it did actually put a smile on my face so I thought I would share. And if you can get a way to serious guy like me to smile then your on to something and should be able to make others lol with it. Only wish it were true so I could poke more fun but I think deep down inside I knew all along that 1: your really not that stupid and 2: if you were you definately wouldn't post such said stupidity on rcm. Oh well maybe next time we can catch you with your doodle in hand.