Who's going to be our Next President?
 

It's a BIG Question! Almost as big as the problems we face as a country.

I found a hilarious video clip of how the media wants to manipulate our perception when it comes to political matters.

Open Discussion here! Check this out!

http://ronpaulflix.com/2011/08/jon-s...l-aug-15-2011/

I think Obama will make a great candidate for the next <s>Mexican</s> US President.

Seriously, voting for the lesser of two evils is not doing this country any good. Even if we do get someone into office who truly wants to do what they say, the rest of the govt keeps it from happening resulting in a stalemate and nothing happens.

Brian you said it best. Way to many special intetest groups who have their hand in the cookie jar making too much money which will keep this countries gov't in a state of flux indefinitely.

Great Video! I like Jon because I think he is one of the few that is actually honest about where he comes from and about his views in general.

I know who I won't be voting for. No 3rd term for Jimmy Carter for me and if Mitt Romney takes the nomination I refuse to vote for him either. I held my stomach and voted McCain. Had Hillary run against him I would have voted for her instead, and I am no big Hillary fan.

Not a huge Perry fan by any means, but he is better than many of the others and the man knows how to run a race. I have to give credit where credit is due. He beat out primary favorite Kay Bailey Hutchison in the gubernatorial primaries. No easy task as she even had the backing of the Bush's. No matter what people try to say or think, Bush and Perry are not friends.

Anyway, I still don't know.

The first clip that I posted REALLY got me to wondering WHAT they didn't want us to see. What were they avoiding?

Then I found this!

http://ronpaulflix.com/2011/08/ron-p...l-aug-13-2011/

I hear echoes of common sense in this man.

Vote for me! :drunk: :party:

what sucks is the people are so ignorant these days that his first two arguments on that second clip are enough to sink his ship. pro life and exposing the truth about the patriot act are far more than the people seem to have the constitution to deal with.

i'm in, but i fear that rarely does my vote go to someone willing to pull the wool over the eyes of the masses, therefore my vote winds up a futile attempt at sense in general. i'm still going to vote, though.

You'll most likely end up with the one you deserve...as the old saying goes

Just gotta work out what you deserve don't you

Just do what I do: Dont vote. But if I WERE to vote some day, it would be for the politician who has the least amount of signs littering up the country, and has the least amount of paid commercials cluttering up the TV and radio.

I have never voted, nor will i probably ever will. I am for no affiliation with party, If i were to vote, it'd be on the topics and ideas over any stupid party. I saw through Obama's message of change, But knew i was powerless to stop it. His claim was, He wasn't the token democrat, He wasn't in the "big boys club" If you will. I say bullcrap! How do you go from LT. Governor, to senator, to president In 6 years, without some serious backing on the inside. To me he was a face and a voice, Nothing more, nothing less. The links you posted are from the only voice in Washington trying to make sense. What we need to do is, as a people, go into our white house, and fire anyone not willing to listen to us, which right now is just about everyone

Paul has always gotten the shaft when it comes to the media, and Jon had nailed it.

Some of the stuff he says I like and sensible, while other stuff is kooky. What I don't understand is how the last bit has translated into him not being a "serious" candidate, meanwhile Bachmann is completely out of her mind and full of weird ideas yet she is treated as a serious frontrunner.... an Perry, running around talking about succession and assassination of the Fed Chairman. Paul just wants to go back to the gold std (there are good reasons why this is a bad idea), but is not talking about killing anyone.


Personally I'm disappointed in the whole lot. The GOP candidates are quite a sight to behold. Obama...I don't know WTF he is doing. At this point he reminds me of Technical Corporal Upham from Saving Private Ryan, esp the scene at the end where he just freezes up and sits there while he mates are being stabbed to death by the German. You stand stand there watching, waiting for the bastard to move and he just doesn't. He's a nice guy, means well, but just can't seem to get it done when the time counts.

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IDK.. Maybe Donovan McNabb is a better analogy...

Either way, not too happy with him, but I like all his replacements even less at this point.

Actually the secession part is misquoted. He was referring to people being upset and the small secession movement going on in Texas, he never supported or endorsed it.

On the Bernanke note, I have to agree for the most part with Perry. Ron pretty much holds similar views on the Fed Chairman as well. Some quick searches will pull this up.

Paul has many great ideas, but it's when he goes off the deep end that loses people. I could very well support him, but, unfortunately he has zero charisma and people like a candidate to talk all pretty and tell them life will be swell. That's how Obama got elected. No one paid attention to his voting record, business and personal affiliations, or the substance of who he was. They got all wrapped up in hope and change and hating GWB.

The best thing that can happen for us is for more political parties to arise. Giving ultimate control to one party is disastrous every time.

The problem is, we have to have people willing to put everything on the table including the military. The only thing I will not support at all for military cuts is pay, pension, and benefits. You leave those three alone.

We have to start making cuts though, everywhere. There's a lot of little stuff that can add up quickly. For example take the subsidized flights to rural areas, many times flying empty or with 2-3 people on board. These types of things add up quickly.

One major thing I personally think would be effective is a national Maintenance Core that is run as a branch of the military but responsible for maintenance off all federal equipment, vehicles, and properties. This would be an effective way to eliminate billions in cost and redundancies.

I would combine federal law enforcement under one roof with two branches. One would handle matters of a foreign nature and one domestic.

I think it's also time that we put up many of the cabinet positions for election. No reason we shouldn't be able to vote for our own Attorney General, Secretary of Treasury, etc, just like the states do. We should also put up the Supreme court and other federal Judgeships up for election. Doing these things would drastically reduce the total power and influence a president holds today.

As for the military, you have to start forcing them to work together and shared platforms more. Yes they can still be specialized to each others needs but at least be based off the same basic platform. The F35 JSF is a prime example although I still believe having an air superiority fighter like the F22 is necessary. However, the core make up should be based off the F35.

Again, like I have posted before what we really need in this country is a constitutional convention to address many of these issues.

We are facing a major teetering point in which it will take more than just some elections to fix. The control center in Washington needs to be broken down and reorganized. During this time we need to strengthen our national security and bring our military home. I also believe that spending time and money modernizing and streamlining our voting system is critical. Doing this would allow us as citizens much greater control over our country.

I aggree with your views alot Texas.

I believe one of the best points you made was the citizens should have much greater control over our country.

We are fed what "They" want us to hear through the media. This is bad.

Also, what about the Federal Reserve?

I read an Article that stated the Federal Reserve printed 900 Billion extra dollars toward the end of 2010 and funneled it into the low interest rate loans for housing.

This type of "counter feiting" further weakens the American Dollar. Short term benefits with long term horrible effects.

It makes me think about those people that took out home loans and are now paying back the Government and for what? printing more money?

This makes our Dollar worth less quickly and drastically, by driving up inflation.

I've heard this called a "Hidden Tax", even through the Government terms it as "Quantitative Easements". :no:

Some interesting numbers from Gallup, and Ron Paul isn't looking so bad:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/149114/Ob...20-%20Politics

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Quite a bit of movement since the last post.

Basically Perry is sinking like the Titanic, meanwhile Cain is on fire. Romney is creeping up a bit, but basically has been pretty static and stable in his support.

New polls actually put Cain on top over Romney, Perry has fallen from front runner to 2nd tier status along w/ Ron Paul.

Its been pretty amazing to watch through the debates.

Romney has been very solid and polished, as is has been very clever and careful in his statements and performances. His years of campaigning are showing as a very solid (altho questionably genuine canidate.) Don't expect too many career ending errors from him. He is starting to really pick up establishment support not Christie is offically out and has endorsed him. IMO he is the R version of John Kerry in 2012.

Cain is not as polished as Romney, but is doing really well for not being a professional politician. He is energetic and inspiring, and was well placed to pick up Perry's collapsing support. Question is if he can avoid any major mistakes and make people nervous about him. He is the Howard Dean of 2012 imo.

Perry, man, what an epic collapse. Bumbling and inarticulate. Shady decisions as gov not playing well. Worst thing for him was to come off as Bush III, as I think he fell right in there. Getting in so late he had to be perfect, but performance has been very rough as a newb to the national scene. May be able to turn it around, but IDK. Would likely take a Cain fumble to get him back in it.

Everyone else is eh. Ron Paul is sounding like a broken record in the debates. Basically end the Fed, gold std, inflation inflation (really its there, you just can't see it!) and end a bunch of gov agencies. This will make the econ great and freedom for all. How that will happen, he never says, other than to just state as a fact. Nor does he really discuss the consequences of doing some of these things. Too much of an idealist to really break thru to the next level. Plus he has just looked old as hell and tired in the debates.

The rest of the field is hopeless. Not sure why Santorum is even still in it. Gingrich is a gasbag, Huntsman is Romney-lite, and Bachmann has already had her 15 mins and won't get another.


Right now it looks like Cain vs Romney (with Perry trying to get back in it.) NE moderates and establishment vs more activist conservatives and more anti-establishment types. Will be interesting to watch.

Iowa caucuses should begin in 2.5 months. Not alot of time

Ron Paul killed himself with the accusations against Obama in regards to the recent drone attacks. Paul is good at doing that to himself time and time again which is why I could never really get behind him. He goes off into crazy land and loses everyone except for his diehards.

I have been behind Cain from the beginning. Spit and polish is not what we need and Romney is too much of that. I think his one mistake will be sticking to the Mormon thing. He will lose people quick if he keeps beating that drum. He should learn to live and let live.

[QUOTE=TexasSP;412921]Ron Paul killed himself with the accusations against Obama in regards to the recent drone attacks. Paul is good at doing that to himself time and time again which is why I could never really get behind him. He goes off into crazy land and loses everyone except for his diehards. QUOTE]

How?

I believe the point he was trying to make was:

Like it or not, these attacks killed a US Citizen. Some may think that Terrorism can't hide behind Citizenship, but if you follow the word of the law, Citizens are to be ran through the System because they have rights.

But..........all the "evidence" against this man is classified. No One can see it. So now our President has the power to side step the law of the land and issue a death sentence?

This is Un-Constitutional, is the point that Ron Paul was making.

Even Saddam was handed back over to his Government, was convicted of crimes by his peers and sentenced to Death.

[QUOTE=sikeston34m;412928]I have to disagree Sike, It says what he (Obama) has to do in his oath of office. I can't believe i will have to agree with an action of Obama, Really do not like his policies. But he is bound by his oath to protect this country and it's people from harm, Both "domestic and foreign". If we had tryed to arrest him, He could have done more damage than Osama Bin Ladden. Imagine bringing down the sears tower, maybe a dirty bomb in LA, or maybe a sarin attack in the NY subway, Could have happened. Sorry, But i agree with killing him to save possibly millions. I disagree with almost everything Obama has done, healthcare, stimulus, and general blaming everyone but himself. But i agree with this.

[QUOTE=crazyjr;412932] I'm not saying this Guy wasn't a really bad person.

But what did he actually do? Besides saying some bad things?


The USA occupies over a hundred countries around the world and we are spending Trillions of dollars on these wars.

Since when did it become our job to Police the World?

When are we as a country, going to wake up to the fact that we are broke?

It is time for our troops to come home.

Ron Paul is the best candidate. he will be the one to turn this country around and save us financially is he is elected. Ron Paul definitely has my vote and anyone who knows the REAL agendas of all the candidates will favor Ron Paul.

[QUOTE=sikeston34m;412933]I agree with the second part, disagree with the first. That guy could recruit from inside the U.S., get possibly better equipment (security isn't any better, don't care what anyone says) I think he could have and would've done damage to this country, including loss of life. I can't agree with a known Terrorist sympathizer (probably a true terrorist) being allowed to live while talking about the destruction of our country, even if he is a citizen of this country. How many of us would have pulled the trigger on Timothy McVeigh, If we knew what he was planning? Either figuratively or literally, McVeigh was allowed, till he committed to doing it. I call the terrorist killing preventive maintenance.

While i agree with the constitution, I disagree that you can talk terror, or killing within this country without consequences. Even if you are a citizen

Back on topic, Romney will win. Another face and voice, polar opposite to the current face and voice. When hurt by government, people will go violently in the opposite direction. Ron Paul might be the right choice, but not extreme enough to get away from Obama's disgressions

I don't dislike Ron Paul, but these are the areas in which he cancels himself out. He will never be elected president due to this. He also has no charisma, which like it or not, helps in getting elected.

Ron Paul should be paid attention to and would make an excellent adviser, even a decent VP candidate. But much like Newt Gingrich he needs to be a mover and shaker in the background and not the main man.

You also have to realize that 99% of what Paul wants to do will never happen because it all has to move through congress first. This is an essential part of our constitution.

Here's a little clip to show how the GOP Debates are going. :lol:

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LOL, but Baldwin was a better Perry.


I would bet on Romney winning. Cain has a chance as long as the avg American doesn't hear about how the 999 plan would cost them a ton in tax increases.

For those in caucus states: Is anyone going to the caucuses tonight?

Personally, I wholeheartedly support Ron Paul. What he says makes the most sense, is no nonsense and logical, very closely mirrors my views on things, and when all else fails he uses the constitution to decide things.

However, he doesn't have that charisma or "electability" or "presidential look" that some of the other candidates have, which I think will hurt him. And being 75 years old doesn't help either. Also, he may seem a bit "out there" on some of his policies, but I think that is more frustration than anything. Change for the better is not going to be easy; "When you want to make an omelette, you have to break some eggs"...

If he doesn't get the GOP nomination, I don't know what I'll do. As far as I'm concerned, we might as well keep Obama. At least then we'd know what we're in for versus the unknown...

There is only one person I would vote for out of the current pack.

Ron Paul. Personally, I think it's time we let the world stand on it's own, protect our borders, and bring most of our military home. If other countries wish to have our services they can pay us for them. We can keep small operations in Europe, The Middle East, Asia, and so forth but no where near what we have now.

I can deal with Paul's issues but as you said Brian he is the closest to fitting me. I do not want Obama to continue as president but I am not willing to put Romney/Perry/Gingrich in there either. I don't want another repeat of the issues we had with GWB.

Some people brand Paul an "isolationist" due to his foreign policy. But I'm with you; let's stop being the world police and start handling issues on our own soil. All we are currently doing is pissing other countries off and making enemies. From what I've seen/read, he is not afraid of war, but if we do have to go to war, let's go there, get it done, and leave. Basically; "sh** or get off the pot".

This business of bombing a country and then paying to repair it [to what we believe it should be] is bull****. I know if I was the leader of a 3rd world country, I'd want to have the US bomb me because I know they'd fix it up for me and it wouldn't cost me a dime.

Nice to see some support for Ron Paul, It's about time people learn. People need to see beyond the face and voice and look to the issues , we need to fix this country. If isolationism is the means, so be it. We expanded too far and thought we could protect the world, we thought wrong. Due to our government and financial system, we can barely afford to function much less to help. We need to fix our house, before helping others to fix theirs. Whether we want it or not, we are the leader of the free world, other countries follow our lead. we print money to cover our debt, other will follow. You can only cover so much, before you realize you have a problem. This has gone on too long, we need to do away with career politicians.

VERY Nice to see Ron Paul Support! :yes:

Ron Paul has my vote!!!!!:rules:

Just got back from my district's caucus and Ron Paul won with 34% of the votes. The rest of the candidates got 25% or lower...

I have been following Ron since he run independant on '08

Ron isn't my favorite pick ever but out of the pot we have to choose from he is the only one that fits closely to my ideals and beliefs.

I am glad to see him doing so well in Iowa. It's been a strange year and I have no predictions of my own. I do know who I won't support though.

I am not so much worried on the "World Police" stigma as I am about the effort and money spent with very little gain. It's a poor investment in my opinion. Personally I think our borders and ports need to become a military matter and either the the Border Patrol be absorbed into the Coast Guard and be renamed as the all encompassing agency or the BP be dissolved and the Army take over.

I would also love to see a vast reduction in the numerous government agencies that exist.

Ron Paul got third, Romney and Santorum virtually tied for first

Yeah, tell me about it. Disappointed, but there's still hope...

When you take into account, the media nearly black him out, unless he says something kooky, the fact that his policies are near polar opposite to the others, it's not too bad.

The thing is some of the others will have to drop out pretty quick since their numbers were so dismal. I think Bachman may be doing it really soon. It will be curious to see where thos people go. I don't know that I believe Romney can take it all the way. I mean, 8 votes and only barely beating out the third place guy doesn't really mean your the odds on favorite.

I was really surprised how Santorum did to be honest. I figured Romney would be one of the top contenders - after all he looks like the presidential type. Some people just go for the look/charisma rather than what the candidate stands for on the issues. I guess it doesn't matter what he does as long as he looks good doing it. :sarcastic:

When the wife and I first arrived at the caucus site, there was only around 6 people in the room, including the candidate reps and caucus officials. Well, the Gingritch rep and I started chatting a bit asking about who I was supporting and such. He surprisingly didn't have much bad to say about Paul except his foreign policy and that Paul wasn't "electable" (of course I was happy to enlighten him to my opinions on those arguments). He said Gingritch's experience in past position put him in a far better place to be elected. In light of the Iowa's results, I find it rather funny that he ended up so far down the list. He might make a comeback in other state caucuses/primaries, but he's low enough that I don't see it happening.

Anyway, I haven't written off Paul yet. He's still in the top 3 by a fair margin with only 4 percentage points below the leaders. Hopefully the other states come through for him.

Romney is the corporate donation whore, and is just burying everyone else with PAC money. Santorum isn't going anywhere. He only got so many votes bc Romney didn't have time to nail him with ads, and no one had time to learn what a douche he is. That will change soon enough.

Paul only really has the youth vote. Senior voters and the establishment hate him and his message. Lots of evangelicals don't like him bc he's not weepy about Israel, and promises to cut their billions in foreign aid. He needed to breakthrough in Iowa, and he didn't. He wont win w/o some big surprise in NH.

Hard not to see Romney winning. Gingrich is promising to skull F him in SC, but he'll plow through. Establishment is already rallying around him.

Still think he has poor odds vs Obama, just a bit better than the rest.

Well, it looks like Romney slipped and Gingrich picked up a bit. unfortunately Paul has slipped a bit as well.

On a similar note, I found this ironic, Obama got the Presidency on the Hispanic vote and a hispanic allegedly tried to assassinate him

http://news.yahoo.com/man-pleads-not...195522520.html