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Westboro baptist church
Are picketing my old highschool oct.25 , because of my enlistment I'd get in some awful trouble with my recruiter if I got caught messin with them,but they are in for a rude awakening.School of 3000 kids and 500 are already attending the counter picket. These people disgust me and the amount of hate they spread is sickening. I just thought y'all might want to know,cause I'm almost to mad to type. Being from a military family these guys strike a nerve big time. Plus having a gay sister and cousin that they verbally attack any chance they get,if anyone should burn in hell it's those nutjobs.
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That Godforsaken cult is a utter embarrassment to every thing Baptist stands for they should all be shot. I am a independent fundamental Baptist and proud of it, every thing they have to say about as warped as a politicians values.
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My opinion of them, You don't need bombs and rockets, to spread terror. All of them, even the children, need to be sent to Gitmo and be water boarded till their faith is shattered
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We should just outlaw all religion.
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They can't die fast enough
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+1 on that religion as caused more wars than politicians
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Well religion and denomination are man-made things and therefore are not of God which leads to war and destruction. I take Jesus as my Lord and Savior and believe every Word in the Bible, outside of that I have no use for denomination and their so-called religion.
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I have no use for religion nor cultists like those at WBC. They will get what they deserve one way or another. I have no clue how or by whom, but my faith tells me it will happen. Jesus had no use for religion either andI have no use for denominations anymore (I grew up Baptist and it was certainly nothing like the Westboro type). |
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[youtube]D9j_KtBZUDM[/youtube] [youtube]DOSkBJ-Q1Zw[/youtube] No need for violence, just drown them out and 'smoother' them, they'll soon get fedup and leave- then chase after them and keep moving them on until they get the hint. |
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Feeling brave, and want some lulz?
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost....&postcount=168 The bible is a book full of wonderful stories wrapped up as moral guidance and a set of instructions on how to live your life without being a douche towards other people, that's the long and short of it- there is no need for the whole cosmic jewish zombie side of things which any right-minded, logical person would pay no attention to. If anyone has an interest and would like to refute that notion- heres some videos to watch before you attempt to do so: [YOUTUBE]5wV_REEdvxo[/YOUTUBE] [YOUTUBE]jk6ILZAaAMI[/YOUTUBE] [YOUTUBE]YeEUANN9wsk[/YOUTUBE] [YOUTUBE]6RT6rL2UroE[/YOUTUBE] [YOUTUBE]LZJ-_OTvsqo[/YOUTUBE] [YOUTUBE]-ZuowNcuGsc[/YOUTUBE] this one is particularly good at showing how hypocritical and hateful people who consider themselves to be christians are towards someone who simply doesn't believe what they do. |
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Suicide, you hit the nail on the head, Those who believe are in some ways the true hypocrites. I for one do not yet believe, I say that as i do not know what the future brings, but for now i can't believe. I was raised with "Believe only half of what you see and nothing of what you hear", This came from my God fearing father, He believed i took it too far. When i was younger i was sent to sunday school by my parents, so i could have a base in religion. My family is a baptist based and fiercely religious, you can imagine thanksgiving and Christmas. I just developed my own opinions freely. I just think the fanaticism, of some religious sects, even christian, are either worthless or, so far out of reality, That they need to be re-examined
Suicide, I saw the second one down a few years ago. Kind of confirmed to me, That others feel the same as i do My belief, Is, If people would spend more time doing right, than praying, the world would be a much, MUCH better place I also believe, that the bible was written by Man, to keep Mankind in it's place. |
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The lunatic fringe will always be there...it's just a question of how much lunacy is extolled when compared to the average
Not religious myself, nor are my family & we have an interesting situation at my childrens school...the debate over whether ethics should be taught as an elective alternative to religious studies My daughter chooses to visit the school library instead of attending the classes - which is fine as she's a librarian but she wants to attend ethics classes. My son visits different religious classes depending on which one he thinks will be most fun or gives him the best rewards for attending (here's my first issue). There has been an ethics class trialed at the school & it went well by all accounts however the religious voice dominated subsequent post trial discussions & the insipid school administration caved in to their demands So the first issue I have is with my son being given vouchers for McDonalds or similar junk food places - why is a bribe required or offered? I can't understand the arguments offered to prostitute religion Second issue is with the simmering fear that so many religious people appear have when alternatives are put forward. We are supposed to live in a tolerant society, that accepts people of any race, creed, belief etc The situation surrounding this ethics debate, in my view puts the religious element at the school into the wacko, paranoid set & this damages the values they try & promote. My daughter especially is developing an unhealthy disrespect for religion in general because she sees the hypocrisy in the situation & she sees the parents & the school promoting it. Sad times for religion |
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If you don't believe, then why does it matter to you so much? If you believe people are free, then why not let them be free? You also seem to be on some kind of attack path since this was also brought up in another thread by you. In that thread it had nothing to do with any of the posts, you just sort of sprang it up out of the blue. Why? After all it's a tech thread about motors overheating....... Quote:
It's funny but many of us have explained that religion is of no use to us. Being a Christian has nothing to do with religion in any form. Religion itself is actually counter to what the Bible teaches. Most specifically Jesus ranted more against religion and zealotry than anything else. If anyone would do a little research instead of trying to lump everyone together you would understand this. WBC is nothing more than some family members and close friends who have formed a hate club together under the guise and protection of being a "church". The daughter is a lawyer whose sole purpose is to insure their activities fall under the full protection of the law at all times. So the actual church has nothing to do with it for them other than offering them the cover of legal protection the need to propagate their hate. It is not the only method WBC uses to cover themselves legally. Of course we have a counter to this which is the Patriot Guard whose sole purpose is to legally counter the activities of WBC and others like them. This is the motorcycle group which travels to soldiers funerals and blocks access of the funerals and proceedings from WBC and their members as well as others who seek to protest soldiers' funerals. I have seen them in action locally and they are quite effective. My curiosity can't help to make me wonder why so many on that claim to be Atheist claim the science on this is closed. Many physicists and other scientists completely disagree with the argument and have evidence of their theories as well. To me shutting a book and saying that's that in the science world is counter to what science is and stands for. No different than people misinterpreting writings in the bible and refusing to understand it properly. To understand the nature of God you have to speak with God first and foremost. The Bible is secondary to that. Too many seem to think that the Bible dictates God and how he is to behave and act while it is God who dictated the Bible. Christianity is about a relationship first and foremost between an individual and God. Each one is as unique as any other relationship. Getting wrapped into rules and religion puts a rift in that relationship. God sets no rules about how you approach him. He gives you guidelines for living and helps direct your life but again that comes as part of the relationship not vise versa. Of course what many of you don't understand is most of us who believe came into a relationship on our own terms in our own way. We did not get their because of what the Bible said or someone else did but because of who God is and because we chose to give ourselves the chance to have the relationship. When I am confused about it I go straight to the source which is God himself. I would bet that I actually have more issues with religion than most Atheists. How many of you who make claims against religion have ever tried to honestly seek the chance that God could be real? I am not talking in fully believing but just allowing the chance that he is real? Isn't good science about allowing for all possibilities? I think many of you just assume I and others never allowed for other possibilities, which in my case is the opposite from the truth. I also think it is assumed that people like me just ignore science, which again, is the opposite of the truth. In fact quantum physics flat out excites me! The fact the the existence of a single atom affects the entire universe and how things would be different it did not exist. Science just further reaffirms my beliefs and faith. |
I grew up in a religious household. For the first 4 years of school (K-3) my classes were taught by Catholic nuns in the basement of a church. From then on (the school closed), I went to Sunday school, went through the sacraments, etc. But as I grew older and despite all this, my "scientific" mind wants proof. Until then, I don't believe in any "higher power" (much to the dismay of my mother). My mind is open though, just waiting for some non-circumstantial evidence (other than "we don't know why this is why things are, so it must be God" type of arguments)...
Anyway, most religions have one thing in common when boiled down: Be nice (basically). It doesn't take a religious person to realize that everyone should be free to live their life in the way they see fit as long as it doesn't infringe upon someone else's rights. So, I guess I'm an "Old Testament" kind of guy; "an eye for an eye". You leave me alone, I gladly leave you alone. You try to mess with me, you get it back and then some. I feel that if everyone had that kind of attitude, those extremists/religious nutjobs would be treated how they should be treated; with "extreme prejudice". |
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I completely agree with Tex and i go by what God wants and if i need it explained, i look up and FIND an explaination in the Bible. And Josh, I have a great since of humor until someone insults my faith and especially my God, every comment you have made has been uncalled for which i don't understand sense u dont believe anyway. If you aren't worried, then why so combative? And i'm not worried about God doing something to me, i am worried what the devil may do to me if i dont have God on my side.
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As for the argument it was one you started, not me. I only interceded with my perspective. I can't force anyone to believe anything based on faith. This is the nature of faith, going beyond what you can simply experience physically. I talk with atheists and agnostics quite often (one of my brothers is agnostic), mutual respect is what allows us to have good conversations. We don't have to even respect each others beliefs, we just have to respect each other. I don't tell them I think they're going to hell and they don't tell me I believe in fairy tails. It's quite simple. I actually find discussions with those of beliefs that differ from mine quite interesting. But again, mutual respect must be shown. I have friends from all different cultures, backgrounds, and faiths as well of those that have no faith. It's interesting what can be talked about when respect is first and foremost and we put the insults and stereotypes aside. |
How many problems could be solved if God decided to hold a weekly telecon? Shouldn't be all that much trouble for the all-powerful Creator to have a bit of face time with the model of his image to clear some things up.
Boom, open up the skies on Sunday, and lets have a weekly Q&A, just like a football coach does after every game. Q: WBC? GOD: No, someone's looking to get smoted Q: Gays in military? GOD: You guys aren't supposed to be fighting in the first place...What part of thou shalt not kill do you not understand? Q: That hurricane last week, what was up with that? U mad bro? GOD: Pppssstt. That's global warming fools. U did that. I didn't make dinosaurs for 200 million years for you to burn them all up in 100 and mess all my creation up. Didn't Al Gore tell you guys? I told him all about it in that peice of toast I devined my image in a while back. Should have never smoted the T-rexes, they were totally awesome. Should have had a plague of them instead of a bunch of stupid crickets. That would have gotten your attention. Miss those guys... Q: Man.. The Red Sox.. how much do they suck? GOD: Dude, Big Time. Don't come crying to me asking to hit your homers for you. I don't care and I'm busy anyway. Stop asking me to win you a Grammy too. You whine as much as the Keelians.. Q: Wait, what, who? A: Uhhh... what? Q: No no no.... we heard it. Who the F is that? Did you make some other creation behind our back? GOD: Ahhh, damn... I mean, look... Its just not the same as it was back then in Jerusalem. Everything was better back then, you guys were new and fun and exciting, we has a bright future to look forward too... Then you had to go and kill my boy. Do you think I would just get over that? Q: Oh god, are you going to bring that up again? It wasn't our fault anyway. Have you seen all the statues we built for him? How many times can we say we're sorry? GOD: Like it helps any! Could you bring him back? No, I did. After that, I wanted to move on, make some other creations from the things I learned here. Q: ?:cry: GOD: I mean, you guys are kinda lame. Sure you invented planes and rockets and cool stuff like that, but you're pretty weak and break easy. Never did like the ape look anyway. Ugh, making you bald didn't help either. Should've gone with the squirrel monkey theme.. I was on fire that day So I made some other dudes. Maybe a bunch of other dudes. The Dragonians are awesome. They are like 40ft tall and have huge teeth and wings and can change colors and have four arms and shoot fire and lighting. Plus they actually listen to the stuff I say. You know, you guys can have free will without being such d1cks about it. How many holocausts have you had now? And you guys have nearly killed all my rhinos and tigers.... You think I just come up with cool things like that everyday? Q: What?! You said you made us in your image! GOD: Yeah, but I didn't say of which part. Q: Oh, we see how it is then... so what does this mean, are you leaving us? GOD: No no no baby. They are in another galaxy. Don't worry. I put them far away from you so you couldn't possibly make them extinct. I'll still be around, maybe not as much as I was in the old days when I was burning bushes and stuff.. Plus, you guys got like 5 billion years before the Sun explodes. I'm sure you guys can find a way off before then if you don't kill yourselves first. I'll be around watching. G/L |
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You have no idea what you are talking about, Neil.
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A point I didn't explain is that if my kids do go to the library during scripture classes they aren't permitted to read or write - they are expected (& in theory supervised) to just sit quietly. My daughter refuses to just sit & does her librarian duties however this is a clear form of punishment in my view & little wonder my son wanders through the different scripture classes looking for bribes. A pathetic & easily changed situation if approached with respect - there's little of that from the religious element in the school though I'm with Brian - treat everyone as you would want them to treat you. If you stuff that up, you deserve what's coming & if distilled down to a simple point, this is what my kids are taught |
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I do like the quote of Carlin tho asking why God is trying to bum people for money. Carlin was hilarious :) |
Can we delete neils post so the thread can actually be read?
As for the money part. A tithe is an act of faith. It's not something people are supposed to ask others to do but something God asked of us as an act of faith. God knows money is the most powerful human force and while he doesn't need our act of surrendering shows faith in him. A tithe doesn't necessarily mean giving money directly yo a church but to whatever it is God directs you personally to give to. As for the McDonald's thing that is stupid. Bribing anyone to go to church or scripture classes is wrong and counter to what the Bible teaches. God gave people the freedom to choose so who is man to counter that and try to force or bribe people into choosing? Public schools here are not allowed to offer spiritual classes of any type. Private schools are a different matter. People are free to choose their own way. I don't make cracks at those that don't believe nor do I chastise or make fun of them. I only feel sorry for those that feel the need to do those things to me or others who believe in God. As it is, making fun of people and offering silly remarks is no way for you to endear them to your cause no matter what side of it your beliefs lie. |
Can't say I don't believe in God but can't say that I am religious either. After all each and every religion says that they have it all worked out right and every other religion is wrong. Makes me think....... Reason why I don't really belong to any religion. I guess you could kind of call me half Atheist but I would never slam down anybodies religion or insult them based on their beliefs (as long as they don't mean or do harm to other people). Even if you want to believe and pray to a three headed goat what the heck has that got to do with me???? Also making statements about getting rid of religion makes you in some ways very similar to the idiots that this thread was started about. They are depriving people of their rights to live a free life without persecution so telling someone they shouldn't have a religion is kind of in the same boat. Don't people have the right to believe? I think so.
Getting back to the topic of the thread: Gay people? What the heck has it got to do with me who one takes to bed with them? As long as I don't have to be there I couldn't care less. Gays in the military? Why not? Let them. I sure as heck don't want to be shot at and anyone who wants to take that place instead of me gets my respect. Gay teachers? I had a gay teacher at school. Last time I checked my girlfriend had a vagina so I am guessing that I didn't turn out gay. I really find it hard to understand why so many religious people choose to persecute gays. I think everybody should have the freedom to live their lives as they want to (as long as they aren't hurting anyone). |
Strange, they were smaller when I found them...
Answer me this peeps: why is it that you are told so often to never question 'gods will' and gods actions when something terrible happens, but to heap praise upon him when something good happens? Could it actually be that god does not exist, therefore good and bad things happen for their own reasons, and not because some invisible old man in the sky clicked his fingers? If you start questioning things like any logical, forward-thinking person would, you very quickly come to the conclusion that you cannot question nor test that which does not exist... http://unfollowingjesus.com/wp-conte...5/religion.jpg http://www.jamesrb.co.uk/wp-content/...e-vs-faith.png If you even refuse to consider the possibility, then the church / your parents have done a great job of brainwashing you- this is another good one: [youtube]jxo81Ok9Urk[/youtube] see: brainwashing/ use of fear to enforce religious ideals; they have you so worried about what will happen to you if you don't believe in their tripe, you cannot allow yourself to consider the other answers out there ( that explain the universe, where we came from & why we are here ). |
Niel, why does it bother you so much what people believe and why are you trying so hard to convince them they are wrong? I hope it isn't anything personal or really bad that happened to you but why can't you let people believe and have faith? What is so wrong with it? I don"t see how it is hurting you.
I am not religious but my parents and my younger brother are. They used to pester me a lot to join them in their faith and beliefs but I simply told them I'll leave you alone as long as you leave me alone. So they don't have to listen to my Atheist views and they wont preach religion to me. I don't think it is religion that started so many wars. After all almost all religions preach about peace and respect for others. What causes wars is telling people that what they believe is garbage, wrong or even worse try to stop them and take away their religion. We have no reason to do so. |
Hi.It's a pity that people have religion thrust in their faces.I had 2 hours of religious education at school every week.We have preechers in the street.I had a quality arguement with one of 'em.My Girlfriends mum'd just died,& we had this pillock stood in our way spouting fire & brimstone,If he hadn't been a pensioner,I'd have hospitalized the ****! Why can't people be left to thier own devices,make up thier OWN mind ? These fundamentalists should be stopped from inbreeding, & if you or I stood at a funeral spouting hate,we'd be arrested! They live in the times of the witch hunts. It's the fundamentalists who spout crap,hate that prove to me that there can't a god,if there was,it'd smite these idiots for making it look like an idiot :)
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Without religion you wouldn't have extremists, and you certainly wouldn't have wars and terror attacks based around such extreme prejudices and intolerance; people would go back to hating eachother for having difference culture and fighting over resources instead :lol:
I don't like religion because it essentially uses fear and scare tactics to trick & force people into doing what it/the church wants- just like any other dangerous cult movement. The trouble with the major religions is that they have been going for so long & grown so large they are accepted much more widely as being 'right' or 'safe', vs much newer religions like scientology which anyone can see is just a money making scheme ( see: put a person in cold water and slowly raise the temp until they boil to death, or throw them in boiling water and they'll jump straight out ). Then there's the hypocrisy... http://verydemotivational.files.word...popemobile.jpg http://4.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kq7...d2blo1_500.jpg http://www.irreligion.org/wp-content...vsreligion.png http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...ouTheRight.png ( see also: richard dawkins video posted earlier ) 'Do as we say, or else' essentially. If you want to believe in some higher power, then fine, but people really don't need to be told how to behave and worship, they can do that on their own terms and in their own way, without being effectively threatened into it, if they really must. You'd think in this day and age people would be strong minded and intelligent enough to see the world for what it is, and enjoy it for what it is, rather than preferring to be told what to think and do because they aren't capable of living a good life on their own... |
Neil, It is the Devils will to kill,steal, and destroy not God's. God's will is to give you life more abundantly. The junk you are saying is untruthful and you must lack the ability to comprehend or have never read the bible or you would know what you are talking about. I will be praying for you that you will find the truth and get Jesus.
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http://exchristian.net/uploaded_imag...tan-729974.png Loving God eh? You don't like to hear facts and viewpoints based on logic and reason so you just resort to the old 'no no no, god is real and he loves me, cant prove otherwise' nonsense that all christians end up falling back on when challenged and they don't have a good response. http://www.motifake.com/image/demoti...1251419350.jpg I studied the bible at primary and secondary school actually, just like many people who DON'T believe in god; christians try to get you from an early age, but even then I was too smart to believe that nonsense once I was old enough to understand it for myself, then I could pick apart all the inconsistencies, contradictions and just plain nonsense that christians, the bible and preachers spout. :rules: Don't pray for me, or anyone else; prayer = doing something by nothing at all- Jesus won't come to mine or anyone else's rescue ( hence why so many of our troops are coming home in coffins- work that one out why don't you ). http://files.sharenator.com/science_...520-113666.jpg http://hedning.no/bilder/nyheter/nyhetmain/294.jpg I know exactly what I'm talking about, hence why I can back it up- all you have is... nothing, except scorn to pour... :sleep: |
Great thread!!!
I especially like this pic, and the "hidden deep meaning" :http://images2.fanpop.com/image/phot...4-1280-800.jpg Ok, here are 2 truths: 1. Faith/belief = a personal view point that may be based on a number of tangilbles and intangibles. Pretty straight forward, if you belive/have faith you must have some reason, and whatever it is that is fine with me! 2. Religion = Pyramid scheme If this is not obvious you really need to pay close attention to the "governing parties" of any specific religion. Take catholics, the pope is the top of the "pyramid" and he has untold wealth and power. As soon as he takes office he becomes infallible (so his actions cannot be questioned). Plus if you have ever vistied vatican city there is no doubt they spent some money on it, money they got by "extorting" (look that word up in the dictionary before you jump on me) a very large population of generally undereducated and usually quite poor people. You can find the same basic theme in any of the current religions, not as successful as the catholics, but still working the same angle. The problem is, the religions have manged to incorporate the faith/belief and have twisted it to their own ends. You only need to look to the fact that alot of people in the world are starving and homeless and you do not see the pope selling off all of the priceless art et al to raise money to feed them and improve their quality of life. I think pretty much any "christian" would have to agree with me that Jesus would want the poor taken care of long before he would want a fancy place to gather. So while I have no issue with people having beliefs, I do take issue with the fact those believers have allowed themselves to be corraled into "following the leader" with their time and money. Please see that I am not trying to insult or belittle anyone here. But please, take a step back and try to determine if you are part of something that is positive. Organized religion is alot like a sheep dog, it may keep you away from the wolves, but it will ultimately lead you to slaughter.... And cut Neil some slack, he may not have the proper bedside manner to approach this delicate subject, but he obviously has as much or more passion to illustrate his point. And as far as the term "atheist" goes, it is a single sided term. It can only be used by a "theist" (one who belives in god) to descibe another who does not share that belief. It is a hard concept to wrap ones mind around. I cannot call myself an atheist, as that would require me to not believe in "something", ergo that "something" does exist (imagine not believing in water, for example.) So I consider myself as "normal" or "constant" and those who believe as "abnormal" or "non-constant". Not in a negative way, just they, for some reason, have decided to believe in something that I do not think exists. Consider that any story has 2 sides, and you know your side is correct when.... |
Anyways, how is the weather these days?:lol:
Religious people + Atheist people + religious discussion = fights just waiting to happen. I myself accept that people are religious, but not when they try convert me, that is just as disrespectfull as atheists making fun of beleiving in god(s). God has saved many souls, even if there were no god the beleif in something bigger than yourself can make life easier. As long as it is not abused. Thomas G:tongue: |
Neil, if you really think their is no extremism outside of religion you should study more. Plenty of wars and conquerers have done damage with no religious affiliation what so ever.
The problem many that follow religion have is that they allow man to limit or attempt to control God, which is impossible. The other big issue is trying to put God the creator into our world and our understanding without allowing for possibilities that our understanding of God will never be complete as is constantly expanding. Science works much this same way. Our understanding of it is constantly expanding and theories constantly change. You also make the mistake in looking at believer like me and lumping them into one pot and calling it religion. The other mistake is assuming we some how stop seeking truth or never sought truth and just accepted something as is. Never in this do you really understand that first I am always still seeking truth and that I came to God while seeking answers. Again much them same way science is looked at. A major problem people who become too religious have is not taking the bible as a whole and trying to understand everything as literal explanations. God in the beginning and through Jesus was never one to give literal explanations. For one reason it is easier for all to understand when using metaphors, comparisons, and parable versus literal explanations. But people move and try to put God inside their own box of their own understanding and limit him by that. If you truly believe in an all powerful God who is the creator of all, then trying to limit this by your personal abilities and understanding is pure fallacy. God gives us plenty of clues in references through out the Bible to show us all is not literal. Another issue man kind stumbles with is time. Time is something man made for us to understand and document the passage of events. Time by God's own words means nothing to him. The biggest place were this can be seen as a mistake is in the creation story. So many want to be wrapped up in the 7 days when in actuality what we call a day and what God was referencing to is two different things. The creation story is about the events taking place, not the time. Days were given to use because we live by the day based on our earthly lives. It was an easy way for us to understand the sequence of events. In God's way their is plenty of room for the earth to be billions of years old and for animals to have evolved at different points and for many to have come and gone. Man's mistake again was trying to limit God. It clearly states man came after animals so it was impossible by the Bible's own teaching for man to have been their when the first animal came about. The last thing created was man and after that God stopped and let everything go on it's own. That was the end of his direct hand in creation. The religious groups get so obsessed over the 6k year number they miss the point. That's about how long man has been here give or take, not how long the earth has existed. Again the earth by God's own teachings existed before man, so why keep trying to say the opposite. The last thing I will part with is that many have the issue with God being as we cannot see, smell, feel, or touch him. I challenge your research into this scientifically as many things we believe that exist in science cannot be easily seen, smelt, felt, or touched. Case in point look into black matter. Something many scientists believe to be there, something that the laws of physics directs must be there, something that is being sought daily by many scientists. It is also something that as of yet has not been proven fact. Closing one's mind is closing one's mind, doesn't matter if it's faith in God or understanding of science. All in all it's a bad thing. As for suffering this always comes at the hand of man. What we as people should be doing is helping those in need as instructed by God. Matthew 25:40 "And the King will say, 'I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!" James 1:27 "Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you" |
I probably should have written 'wouldn't have religious extremists'- there will always be people who have very extreme views and take a hard line in all areas of life, it just seems like religion breeds them more than most.
Personal belief systems are fine, anyone is free to believe what they want and worship their own notion of a higher power however they please; it's when people get together and start making rules that force and scare people into worshiping in that certain way that the problems start. You wont get many answers from god- he doesn't answer the phone, just has an answer-phone message that says 'please leave your requests and wishes after the tone'; if you get a a positive 'reply', its luck, coincidence or because of your own or someone else's efforts, not divine intervention ( see: George Carlin video posted earlier, and the milk jug one too ). The time thing just makes no sense- you really should study evolution more, and that video about the evolution of the eye; there is no need for a god-figure to have invented or created it, it came about through evolution and adaptation- you can see evolution in action with bird species that specialize in eating different foods and gathering nectar from certain plant species. To say ' oh yeah, god created evolution, he has a guiding hand in it' is just nonsense again- stop making up stories because you feel the need to wish something is true and therefore create a fantasy to validate your belief. God's teachings didn't exist before 3rd parties wrote them down- you can't teach faith to balls of dust and gas. Here's a good one; what happens if one day in the distant future humanity does make contact with an intelligent alien race, and when they are asked about 'god', they reply 'who'? If god created all life, then to find a race that has no concept of a divine creator, that would just poo-poo all over pretty much every religious teaching out there. As for quoting bits of the bible to back up a weak argument, try this on for size: http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4...lestories1.jpg http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2...lestories2.jpg Like I said, for such a loving, caring god/jesus/holy spirit/ cosmic jewish zombie ( isn't that whole concept enough to make you think it's a bunch of silly stories written by bad story tellers? ), he certainly likes to smite people for making the tiniest of mistakes... |
God killed in the old testiment, then Jesus died for our sins so that God wont smite us. The Devils home is in hell but he walks on earth looking for souls. And i didnt growup with Christianity being shoved down my throat, i was 22 before i even went to church, so i am certainly not brainwashed. And all of this Catholic junk u r throwing in my face is useless because i dont believe like a Catholic; the pope is just an old man.
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Why is it then that Christians often quote the OT for the justifications for all sorts of beliefs and policy positions? But then when someone brings up some crazy condemnations in the OT, Christians balk and say that doesn't count and was negated by Jesus and the NT? EG. Neil's stuff is an example, same as other stories about women supposed to be moved from the house and into huts when they are menstrating, or bashing babies heads on rocks, etc etc. No one is seriously advocating forcing menstrating women into huts, but in the same breath Christian (conservatives) will use those same texts to use as justification to oppose gays on various issues (or a host of other hot button issues.) Let's just forget about the idea that biblical law should dictate American law. I no more want Christian Sharia than I want Islamic Sharia. Its hard for non-christians to take christians seriously when their own stories are so often confused and self-contradictory (and sometimes just mean.) Even the gospels can't get their story straight, and these are the guys who are supposed to have first hand info. |
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