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My Savage 5B conversion by Alza Racing.
Hello hello! Been a bit lazy but here i go.... I know it's just another 5B conversion (ALZA YEAH! ) and i posted it on other forums also but it's just nice to share my humps and bumps with you also.
alot of pics and progress in 1 big post, hope you all like it! it all began with a big cup of coffee and a fast clicking finger on the internet to order lol Since i saw a friend of mine drive his baja i wanted something big too but i don't like the sound of gas/nitro engines anymore so i started looking for a conversion. I knew the tcs conversion and the one from kershaw but the Alza conversion just made me drewl lol So i clicked away and about 1 week later it arrived at my doorsteps. Again with some coffee i unpacked it and here we go! The chassis: Flux 5b Conversion KIT - Alza-Racing http://oi54.tinypic.com/1555hn4.jpg comparison with a Gcm DB 17 chassis (meer info: -> GCM Racing WebStore - DesertBoy Flux Chassis Kits ) : http://oi51.tinypic.com/33epon8.jpg Alza dogbones vs stock. http://oi54.tinypic.com/2qvw9so.jpg Alza racing 3mm bulkhead plates http://oi54.tinypic.com/316nuw7.jpg Bulkhead Brace conversion kit (for the lower hinge pins hinge pins) Bulkhead Brace conversion kit - Alza-Racing http://oi52.tinypic.com/23iukw3.jpg http://oi52.tinypic.com/29443e9.jpg http://oi53.tinypic.com/33mbm6h.jpg http://oi51.tinypic.com/kew20m.jpg http://oi56.tinypic.com/2a6sh7b.jpg http://oi52.tinypic.com/16jsqs.jpg |
flux diff + motormount/plate van alza racing.
I knew when i bought this conversion i wouldn't stop at the tvps so i bought the jumbo motor plate for future plans ;) http://oi51.tinypic.com/2uqenfq.jpg I recycled the standard bulkhead plate to mount the esc and radiobox. Radiobox is from my Robitrobtronic mantis wich has plenty of room for cables, easy to open and i could fit the on-off swith from my esc in it! http://oi55.tinypic.com/5mhhk.jpg http://oi56.tinypic.com/2uraywj.jpg in the chassis: http://oi54.tinypic.com/2zzunfa.jpg to cool the engine a bit i bought 2 yeah racing fans (Yeah Racing Fan - Yeahracing - Yeah Racing Tornado High Speed Cooling Fan 30 x 30mm for Motor Heat Sink ) attached to the chassis and plugged into the esc for the moment (plan to connect them to a small lipo) coz they loose speed when i steer. http://oi54.tinypic.com/vzyomf.jpg http://oi51.tinypic.com/33yi8es.jpg http://oi55.tinypic.com/2n0ndw4.jpg http://oi56.tinypic.com/28bw67m.jpg |
I removed the front bumper and added something bigger, a worx baja bumper. because of that the front hinge pins could slip out to easy so i made these little buggers to hold them in place. link to the worx bumper --> ( RC Tuning Raalte ) .
http://oi52.tinypic.com/2irag0k.jpg http://oi55.tinypic.com/j742ns.jpg http://oi54.tinypic.com/w1isp.jpg the body (fg monster beetle) will probably be fitted with these bodyposts: http://oi51.tinypic.com/4ihgzo.jpg some pics of the finished monster :) http://oi56.tinypic.com/2me98bb.jpg http://oi52.tinypic.com/256d8vd.jpg |
I ordered some LST shocks and the body will arrive soon but i like the looks of it allready!
all electronics are standard, only the servo is upgraded. the beast runs on: 44/18 gearing, 6cell 5000mah 40c lipo's and i drink coffee and beer lol :) all Alza Racing parts: http://www.alza-racing.com/ here's a small clip of the first testrun. [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9XiwR-zeu0[/YOUTUBE] hex mod: I also did this mod to the wheel hexes and rims, hope this will prevent most chances to stripping but never say never of course... I bought some steel wiring in the same diameter as the pins and just cut them off in the size i wanted. Then i had to dremel a little bit in the rims, they're axial rims and you can see the little recesses in the rim. Those recesses i just dremeled them enough so the pin drops in with allmost no movement possible. This is how it looks http://oi53.tinypic.com/2ufyru1.jpg http://oi56.tinypic.com/xg0gp4.jpg http://oi53.tinypic.com/2ildngg.jpg think this will hold up but time will tell for sure. |
the new engine moment :)
this is the motor (1717) compared to the old one. http://oi51.tinypic.com/el5lc1.jpg it's a heli version though so it had some holes in the back and front but since collecting dust isn't a good idea i did this small mod to the engine. It should be pretty dust/dirt proof now. for the frontside i cut out a piece of plexy and just attached it with 4 screws, pretty simple.... http://oi55.tinypic.com/auf6oo.jpg http://oi53.tinypic.com/2z3xmo0.jpg for the endbell i cut out the same piece in plexy, drilled holes for the shaft and the 3 motorwires and covered the hole for the shaft with an extra piece of plexy. The end of the shaft peeps out a bit and otherwise the plexy plate wouldn't rest on the backplate. http://oi54.tinypic.com/55gu8l.jpg motorwires through the holes. http://oi56.tinypic.com/mmymo2.jpg everything fits nicely :) http://oi55.tinypic.com/jsgbbo.jpg then i glued it with rubberglue for tires http://oi51.tinypic.com/315lwdx.jpg and i finished it off with some silicone http://oi55.tinypic.com/qy8e8l.jpg this should be pretty dust and dirtproof i hope. |
this is how the truck looked with the different bodies:
http://oi54.tinypic.com/30k98up.jpg http://oi56.tinypic.com/6drbso.jpg http://oi56.tinypic.com/n148pc.jpg monsterbuggy version ;) http://oi56.tinypic.com/2utlohd.jpg http://oi56.tinypic.com/aac8q0.jpg http://oi56.tinypic.com/2vj28lt.jpg just added a shockguard to the front to keep the shock safe from crashed, my shockcaps allready got busted in 5 minutes of running so hope this helps. http://oi54.tinypic.com/2pph2wz.jpg http://oi52.tinypic.com/2ufvbqc.jpg http://oi52.tinypic.com/2w3azjo.jpg |
The center diff thing
Its not a thing of beauty but its solid as a rock so i think it will hold up well against the abuse. Inspiration for this was Jayhays project! here are the pics. turned the motormount sideways against the chassis and all 4 screws are still free so its still fully adjustable. http://oi55.tinypic.com/2vah9pt.jpg center diff mounted http://oi53.tinypic.com/ayvr46.jpg http://oi55.tinypic.com/2hqqnva.jpg http://oi55.tinypic.com/29n6txe.jpg together http://oi53.tinypic.com/28jpqh.jpg http://oi54.tinypic.com/2vipbo7.jpg http://oi51.tinypic.com/m953du.jpg http://oi51.tinypic.com/2hi8rjs.jpg sideview http://oi52.tinypic.com/2ppfocg.jpg between the tvp's http://oi54.tinypic.com/ot0qqe.jpg |
nylon front/back skidplates with bumpers ;)
some pics before heating it up and flexing it to the wanted shape :) http://oi56.tinypic.com/vv0ig.jpg http://oi56.tinypic.com/og98qx.jpg and after :) http://oi56.tinypic.com/6ql8ww.jpg like the originals i dremeled excess material to accept the diffs http://oi55.tinypic.com/2ue0hvm.jpg rear skidplate/bumper http://oi53.tinypic.com/30w12ky.jpg front, rear and center still in alu but i will make the center skid in the same material. http://oi55.tinypic.com/24vmlnc.jpg http://oi54.tinypic.com/icli08.jpg next stop is the center skid, rebuilding the diffs, installing them and thinking of other shocktowers.... Maybe i'll make them in the same stuff coz it surely is tough and better than the integy crap i have :) |
here we go:
1st testing if everything fits with the lst conversion. front http://oi56.tinypic.com/m9vtc5.jpg sideview http://oi54.tinypic.com/icn0oi.jpg back http://oi52.tinypic.com/k2elhc.jpg then removing the sharp edges and other excess material http://oi52.tinypic.com/33k7q77.jpg sexytime :D http://oi53.tinypic.com/zilfzo.jpg http://oi52.tinypic.com/2rlyhz9.jpg http://oi54.tinypic.com/2va1la9.jpg front and back shocktower:cool: http://oi51.tinypic.com/2v0ir2p.jpg http://oi53.tinypic.com/2qc03na.jpg mounted with the front bumper, sexytime pt. 2! :D http://oi54.tinypic.com/aea2ic.jpg |
in the meantime i prevented the upper hinge pins from flying away lol
I just drilled a whole and tapped thread? or something like that in english :) also dremeled the hinge pin where the screw is positioned when tightened for zero movement. http://oi54.tinypic.com/10nxsuv.jpg http://oi53.tinypic.com/2uijd79.jpg et voila! now the beast is completely in parts.... I'm starting to rebuild it in the next couple of weeks ! |
Some pic are just BIG :)
Like the build a lot ! How heavy is the Beatle body -? |
in know about the pics but on most forums they scale them to fit the window....
the beetle body is 300/400grams i guess.... never weighed it.... |
Can you weight both bodys as i am really interested to hear the weight!?
I heard Baja 5T is around 1kg or so.. |
its aproxx the same weight i guess, weighed it just now and needle goes to 1kg, it's not a precise scale but it will be around 600-800gram i think. just compared it with a carton of milk LOL
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made this just the other day.... just for show and testing my saw, this is not the design i'm gonna use ;)
http://oi42.tinypic.com/2en89s4.jpg |
So caNt wait for these arms....
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me neither knez!!!! :))
the arms are 45mm longer than stock so its quite a big difference :) Don't know what material to use yet, especially the thickness because in this thickness (8mm) longer means more/to much flex... For me it doesnt matter if they will weigh a ton, they must be as tough as the standard ones or even tougher. Most people don't have to much problems with the standard arms so i think its a good reference for toughness. Don't want them to be unbreakable also otherwise other stuff will break but i think it will be around 16mm thickness so they will be thick but considering the length it will be in proportion. considering the dogbones, i'm still waiting for an answer from 2 people... It's just a thing of a looong breath (don't know if that's the right expression also in english lol) but winter is coming so perfect time to work on stuff that takes alot of time :) I'm still waiting on some crucial parts to get the build up and running again... Still need those 2 FLM XL bulkheads with the correct outdrives and then the mood will be better to start coz now its only bits and parts and not that much courage to start coz it wont be able to run so... :s Recieved the shocks! and they are MASSIVE lol! never thought they were goin to be that big but they'll fit it perfectly , more scale! :))) |
45mm longer is a lot. Just cant wait for you to finish this :)
Well i do agree, arms need to be at least strong as stock. I agree, they should not be unbreakable as other parts will suffer. How will you make them 16mm thick, probally not all the way but like thicker in middle? Did you thought about using wider braces for a-arms, maybe than you could make shorter a-arms if this got any sence at all. As while you are making A-arms why not make them the lenght you want :) But maybe something in between these 2 mods would be an option. What about KD, to buy there DB only and make you arms lenght to fit those dogbones. I gues you will update us how and what. Waiting for goodies just sucks. Better part is when you receive them ;) I am waching those FLM bulks for some time now, just cant say i know wich one should i order and why do one come with diff. output cups? The shocks yes, so what you think of them..will you be ordering softer springs? I received today kit for them, wich i draw lol. |
LOL knez :))))
you're making it difficult but i think i understand ;) I will only be making the a-arms and the upper arms but not widen the braces coz i think it wont be good for the movement of the arms... The thickness is simple, i'll just buy it in 16mm and cut the arms out :))))) Thickness will be reduced at the hinges but only the minimum required to give the same movement like stock arms, i dont really care about weight i just want them to be beefy to fit with the shocks and handle abuse. the shocks are fine, quality looks great and especially for that price! i allready have the lightest (yellow) spring sets for them and ordered 3 sets so i have spares also ;) I think i'll use lighter oil in them but i will do it when the car is ready so i can test it with the weight of the car. When you order the flm bulks you can only use the XL versions with the supplied cups, those cups are made to fit the bulks, the standard xl/flux cups are to big to fit through the sides so FLM shaved them to make them fit ;) I ordered the super hybrid (buggy) bulks a year ago so now i have 2 bulks laying around for a future project.... The other bulks are supplied with the correct cups so hopefully i'll recieve them in a week or 2. |
been a while, been much to lazy but i made something today hehehe
i bought the same shocks as knez and they are BIG so i wanted beefy shocktowers that wont bend under the pressure and rollovers so i made these.... compared to the other ones i made: http://oi40.tinypic.com/nyzrqu.jpg thickness :) http://oi51.tinypic.com/sq1j0h.jpg made it look a bit buggy alike. http://oi53.tinypic.com/2rr299t.jpg with shocks to show the free movement http://oi42.tinypic.com/2agosud.jpg http://oi41.tinypic.com/kdsnlg.jpg stil ALOT of cleaning up work to do and to maker them fit my bulkheads but this is what they will look like. |
I just finished the shocktowers, the edges remain rough, i tried sanding them, heating and slicing off the rough sides but this is the best result i ended up with. The edges where cut with a stanley knife.
They aren't 100% identical to each other coz i cut them out with a handsaw lol but they match 90% or more so that's pretty good i guess :) pics mounted on my flm bulkheads http://oi42.tinypic.com/16m2eqb.jpg http://oi41.tinypic.com/v7bhoy.jpg then cut out some bushings for my shocks, pretty simple also, 2 rods fitted them in each other and cutted them out to the length i wanted. 8mm outer and 4 mm inner diameter. then mounted the shocks for show :) http://oi42.tinypic.com/34edagl.jpg next thing will be making some extended arms but it all takes alot of time but i'll post pics/progress asap ;) |
:surprised: Glad I've got a 24" screen, pics are huuuge! Pics are very detailed though, that's gonna be a beast!
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lolz i know, some forums automatically make them smaller :)
it will be a beast for sure :) |
Looks Sweet! and those shocks are HUGE!:whip:
But BEEF for sure.!! :yes: EDIT: looking at it again, I would actually make an aluminum piece that connects all four mount screws together and will make the contact patch much larger than 4 screw heads. |
when i screwed them to my bulkheads the screwheads started to pull into the material and that's definately not good, so i think you're absolutely right!
It's really cool you took a good look at it and gave it some thoughts, sometimes when you're busy with something you start looking over things... i would have used washers but this will be better coz i dont want to ruin them because of such a simple thing. thanx again, more/other tips are more than welcome, just making things up as we progress :) |
Hey Zipster, made some more progress with the shocktowers :)
ZippyBasher had the idea of a plate to hold/press the shocktower against the bulkhead... This way securing the shocktower much better and ensuring the screwheads don't damage the material instead of using washers so this is what i made with his idea in mind. http://oi43.tinypic.com/fcs6si.jpg http://oi39.tinypic.com/2zp4585.jpg just need to drill the rest of the holes (4) for the bulkhead. still lots of wooorrrkkk to be done but this is FUN, really enjoying it! all tips are welcome coz sometimes you just dont see thing/problems anymore when you're busy lolz |
I'm cutting the arms as we speak, just taking a short break coz the handsaw is killing me but it will be DIY all the way :party:
this is a drawing of how they will look like, can't draw in 3d lol so ,its oldschool with mm paper and a pencil and then scanned it and coloured it :) http://oi42.tinypic.com/2md5ovs.jpg shocks will be mounted truggy/buggy style with the shock end in the first cavity with a 4mm screw throughout both cavities, the bolt will be tightened in the second cavity. Rear arms are slightly different where the hubs are you see the rears are thicker that's because i use the integy HD hub carriers so no need for those silly spacers anymore! 8) Upper arms will be made when i finish these coz i cant draw them before i tested the lower arms with the shocks then i'll try some designs opf the uppers. and off we go again! :whip::lol: |
after alot of cutting and sweating i finished the rough versions of the lower arms...
just going to post pics, these are just the rough ones that will be moulded and then finished and then moulded again... picture time! cutting with the fretsaw http://oi40.tinypic.com/l9u6x.jpg http://oi39.tinypic.com/s2785h.jpg http://oi41.tinypic.com/5mh9gl.jpg finally got to mount them.... after 1 hour of cutting per arm and 30 minutes of drilling holes lolzzzz http://oi39.tinypic.com/2elf1ip.jpg http://oi41.tinypic.com/o0ile.jpg http://oi42.tinypic.com/nprhj6.jpg compared to the stockers with lst shocks.... http://oi42.tinypic.com/34yqjj5.jpg http://oi39.tinypic.com/34nmb07.jpg http://oi42.tinypic.com/11t3gr4.jpg http://oi41.tinypic.com/2vnp0xx.jpg |
upper arm pencil style!
http://oi41.tinypic.com/2prs4ti.jpg http://oi40.tinypic.com/1f8vpx.jpg tomorrow the upper arms and hopefully i get my resins and stuff this week so i can start making molds of these chunkey monkeys! |
moulding time is finished! i hope i did everything ok...fingers crossed but it looks quite good for a first time :)
coated the arms with a film to make sure the rubber doesnt stick. http://oi40.tinypic.com/2ahfbxf.jpg my mold recipients also coated ;) http://oi43.tinypic.com/295vue.jpg the arms in the rubber, had to put some pieces on them to make sure they stay under.... http://oi42.tinypic.com/hx9myf.jpg http://oi41.tinypic.com/20r5ws5.jpg and now it's 24hours of waiting and hoping it didnt fail! :) |
i finished some resin casts and they ended up better than i expected especially because i never did this before. Made some mistakes but that's the way you learn things like i made the molds on a surface wich wasn't 100% level so afterwards i needed to level the molds to cast the resin... :) That wasnt that bad since i still have to shape the arms and the rough cuts need alot of shaping so no biggie!
The arms still have to cure for a day and then the resin is 100% hardened so then i'll shape them and i'll make some new molds :) here are some pics: the moulds http://oi41.tinypic.com/rlmlxk.jpg the arms in resin http://oi43.tinypic.com/hwhmyg.jpg http://oi39.tinypic.com/f8azd.jpg http://oi39.tinypic.com/2ib17nl.jpg 1 arm had som big airbubbles but now i know how to get rid of them :) http://oi42.tinypic.com/29ynmua.jpg that's all for now and i hope i dont get sicker pffffff stupid flu.... |
Dang the dang, you really done a lot !! Looking good and i see you are learning a lot, lol. Really nice man !!!
When will you test these...you also need dogbones as i remember. Where will you get those, 4cm wider is a lot. Your towers and arms look massive !!! I hope they will be as strong as they look. What do you plan to do with upper arms, make them same way or ? I wouldnT mind new upper amrs :lol: |
another update :)
I have been working on 1 arm but got some doubts about the finish... some pics: had to mill out some material to let the shock move freely and allow 100% movement. http://oi43.tinypic.com/2mp9xmf.jpg milled a bit inside the arm also to lose some weight but don't know if i'll keep it that way because of the loss of strength...? http://oi42.tinypic.com/ojjvit.jpg this shows better i had to remove some material for the shock to move freely http://oi39.tinypic.com/1604dqx.jpg http://oi42.tinypic.com/2n894df.jpg Then i was bored and really wanted to test if this stuff was tough so i took a hammer, clamped it and started hammering it hard (per swing it had +/- 30mm of flex) and after 73 of those swings it broke.... This was the version without the milled down parts so i don't know if this is tough....???? http://oi41.tinypic.com/e7l45j.jpg It took 73 swings and i had the feeling i was abusing it lol but on the other hand i tested a stock HPI arm exactly the same and it didnt even bend! So the stock plastic is WAAAY stronger(alot more flexible).... so this leaves me to this HMMMmMMMMmmmZZZzzZZZz !?!(§!è§è§ ??!! conclusion.... Don't know what to do.... the finished arms would have been reinforced with fibreglass and/or carbonfibre but still i'm confused... some thoughts plz, is this material to weak or is it sufficient??? |
Is the material to brittle to take the hammer blows verse the stock?
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well the material takes the blows very well until the 73th blow lol, it flexes allmost 30mm in each direction wich is actually very good. The standard arms flex almost double so they just kinda euhm FLEX alot.
But like someone said i pounded it with a hammer, this isnt a field test so I don't think it's going to be as hard on the arms as this test. Shocks will soak up a lot of the impact as well as the chassis bottoming out so he said say roll with it and see. will adjust the arms a bit, make some new molds and test again on the track! |
update! :)
After a few months of waiting i got a phonecall my dogbones were ready so WOOOOOOP!!!! Psyched to say the least and when i got them i was like WOW! they really look damned sexy! here some pics! http://oi44.tinypic.com/29d9ydl.jpg compared to a stock flux bone http://oi42.tinypic.com/zna7ty.jpg http://oi43.tinypic.com/wir2jd.jpg little gimmick ;) you can easely change size of the pins or a broken pin with loosening the grubscrew and just pulling it out and insert a new one. This is something i thought was never done before so... Now it is ! :) http://oi42.tinypic.com/etuxav.jpg All this couldn't be done without the help of Rhys Garven (FLUXNZ on Savage central forum) so i wanna thank him again this way for the good work he did on designing the dogbone in a cad program for me! THANX RHYS! :D since all fairytales have to end sooner or later i discovered they made a mistake.... the file name must've caused the mistake i guess... the file name was Dogbone 10mm longer because i wanted it to be longer so when Rhys did that the filename became dogbone 10mm longer so they must've thought it should be 10mm longer again LOLz It's an honest mistake so no probz for them but for me.... I have to remake ALL my moulds again ..... DAAAMNNNN !!! this is how the dogbone compares to the arm http://oi43.tinypic.com/xdxd3b.jpg normally it should be +/- the same length as the arm... well i know what to do again hehehe the upside is the truck will be even wider now :) 50mm each side so a 100mm increase in overall width :))) new arm is being moulded as we speak but hell it will take a couple of weeks extra to get it running... |
Love the idea with changing pins on Dogbones, that is GREAT!
Wish i had those suckers...FLM dogbones need longer pin on the side where you put them to wide axle cups. From 1mm up to aprox. 2mm. :/ So your project became +10mm wider. |
yep it did and i'm still busy with making the new extended extended arms lol :)
glad you like the idea with the dogbone, i also thought the pins where to short and they pop out and damage the cup so this will be much better and if the pin breaks just push in a new one and secure it :) will post progress shortly, think next week coz i'm kinda fed up with it for the moment, all that sanding and cutting and molding.... :))) |
Yes pins...my friend had to chage those a few times, i had 2 broken pins but all good now.
.. just take a little break, project will wait you anyway :) I ordered my self a V911 rtf to jerk around a little, as weather is not best here. |
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