New traxxas castle mamba monster extreme?
 

Care to tell us some juicy tidbits about this?
http://traxxas.com/products/models/electric/6407xo1 about a third of the way down.

I am interested in it as a possibly improved mamba monster, looks a bit different. Is this a preview of the future mamba monster pro?

And is the motor a 1717 in disguise? its the same KV and traxxas loves to run you motors as designed, as opposed to HPI settleing on cheaper higher KV setups

Please tell us more:love::diablo::party:

Just watched a promo video for their new car. 100MPH! That's fast but how many newbs are going to buy this and hurt them self or someone else?

It looks like they just added a cap bank and wrote new software. It's a damn good looking cap bank for MMM's though:yes:

The $1099.99 suggested retail price should keep noobs away.

It looks like a fun car, but it uses revo diffs. Come on traxxas!

It's not a 1717 in disguise, Traxxas says it's a 1717 so I would say the only difference is the black can.

Yes the price tag is high and hopefully it keeps inexperienced people away, but there will always be those rich kids that gotta have the fastest one.

That's what i was meaning, the black can. Even if there isn't a rebuild kit, strippers will sell nthe motors for a decent price

Strippers huh? I can't wait to see that!

I hope Castle starts selling the 171 again but this time hopefully with lower kv. Something under 1400kv would be awesome so we can run it on 8S.

The ESC seems like an identical unit with just a fancy looking cap bank. I would really like to see Castle make the Mamba Monster sensored and with soldering posts instead of wires and connectors. That would be sweet.

"The XO-1 is not a toy", is that some sort of new marketing stragy. like its not a toy but a tool ore somthing?:lol:
and they have alot to learn from hpi and tamiya when it comes to acryllic body details.
But it will prob be alot of fun with such of an extreme motor combo.

edit, looks like it have an alu chassie

We developed a whole new stator and rotor design for this car -- it uses a shorter and lighter rotor for faster spin-up, and is up to 4% more efficient than the original 1717.

The stator design was optimized for higher maximum currents, and higher saturation currents -- so the efficiency doesn't "brick wall" at extreme currents.

The controller is the newest version of the MMM, with the new Infineon BSC011 extreme MOSFETS, with .0011 ohms / MOSFET. The additional capacitor pack was required to keep the ripple currents at the controller input at a minimum during extremely high (300+ Amp) currents during acceleration.

This is also our first ESC to implement our "Castle Link Live" operating mode, which reports ESC data in real-time to the receiver without using any external wiring. This allows the ESC data (like RPM, temperature, etc.) to be displayed in real-time on the IPhone/Ipod touch application.

Very cool implementation.

Hmm, that new link thing is nice, but too bad it's only for Apple's iCrap (sorry, I have a thing against Apple). The ESC with added cap bank looks pretty mean though, and the motor should find a home in many vehicles (I really like my 1717 even on just 5s).

See, now Castle just surpassed MGM.

Question of the day is... Is Castle going to sell the controller by itself, or does Traxxas have the ownership of the product and I just will have to wait to find them on Ebay.

I don't know why everyone keeps up with the iphone only crap when android has far surpassed it in market share. It's a neat feature, but I won't ever own an i/anything.

Maybe now people will stop complaining about Traxxas never using a new platform.

It's a cool car and I like the size and light weight. I could see myself owning one.

Maybe the HPI 5sc flux will get the same power system.

So this is basically the next gen mamba monster, cool to know, glad i waited. Will the esc and motor work in a 1/8 truggy?
It's ok on the apple crap, Gives me a reason for getting a used Ipod touch
I think it will be a traxxas thing for a while, they got the only radio that can relay the telementry right now
Doubt it, they cheaped out on the motors Don't think they will spend on an untryed tech

I have some questions

-Can people use this system without the a iphone/apple product(or any smart phone)?If they don`t want to use the telemetry feature?

-Can I use the castle link to unlock ""Unlock the 100+mph speed only with the Traxxas Link App"?

-Will thier be other apps for other brands of smart phones or is that up to Traxxas?

+1...the more i look at that car the more i like it. it just sucks ass that you need the I-crap to get all the benefits. i will not own an i-phone.

I like how the car uses stampede rear lower arms all the way around. Just love to see stuff repurposed!

I really like this car, and we have alot of fresh blacktop parking lots locally, so I see this being one of my few new rc purchases!

I'll be waiting for Monster Mike to build some upgrade for this first.

Yes, it works without the telemetry system.

Nope -- the lock/unlock is controlled entirely by the Traxxas app (this is for liability reasons...)

I don't know -- that's entirely up to Traxxas.

Looks pretty cool! The new axles look interesting, hopefully they will be used on the erevo as well. And looks like maybe I will still be able to get a hold of a 1717 after all! I think this may be faster than my 1:1 drag car in the 1/8th mile!

OK, I'm confused. Does this mean the 100mph mark is unattainable in stock form unless you have an iPhone/iTouch?

I like this car too. Looks sharp, simple, and easy to work on. Although, the first mod I'd do is move everything over to the motor side and put a single battery on the other side. I really hate dual packs these days...

I don't think the Iphone/IPod is required for the lock/unlock interface. But a PC is required.

Seems like it. I am guessing the MMM has some sort of "training/50%" mode that it is shipped with, as the info on traxxas says that it will do 50+ mph out of the box. Maybe some sort of internal epa in the esc?

Traxxas has made a big step up with their electronics here. I would buy an itouch (used older model as long as it is compatable) just to use with this.

Nope, I'm wrong ... from Traxxas website:

Unlocking 100+mph speed capability requires the Traxxas Link Application (download from the App Store) and an iPhone or iPod touch (sold separately). iPhone and iPod touch are trademarks of Apple Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries.

Nope. The speed is locked down by the ESC and RX using a variety of methods. It's not a training mode -- 100% throttle is available out of the box. Just can't change the pinion and go faster without an unlock.

This looks like a beast - I am primarily an off-road guy, but I will get one of these babies(and I happen to have an Iphone already). :)

lol, well that ... pardon my French ... SUCKS.

Is Castle going to release the MMM to the general masses with the new FETs, or are those FETs only for the crippled MMM? Hopefully I can just pick up a newer MMM with the newer FETs and add my own cap bank on it and be good to go without the Traxxas police dictating how I should run something.

Sorry Pat, I'm not angry at you guys, I know it's a Traxxas thing...

So what do we think street price will be? Once the BS calms down, say next summer?

The MMM is now shipping with the new BSC011 MOSFETs.

BUT, it gives you a good excuse to buy an Iphone. :lol:

Of course you could always borrow one just to unlock it.

Go to the AT&T store, grab an iphone off the display, download the app, agree to the waiver, and unlock... :whistle:

Cool, good to know. My wife has a Mac, and as much as I hate to even look at it, I might have to download the app just to unlock the ESC. Either that, or just sell it on ebay even if I lose out on the sale...

lol, no thanks. I have a personal "thing" against Apple (more or less about mediocre hardware for inflated price). My wife has a Mac because it's supposedly "easier to use" or whatever, but oddly enough she's always asking me to do some tinkering on it. And, she's actually running WinXP in VirtualBox because there are some things that *gasp* Mac can't do.

Sweet. Now how would I know which ESC at my hobbyshop or anywhere else would have these new fets?

They look a bit alike, don't they??

http://traxxas.com/sites/default/fil...r-side_m_0.jpg


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...ast/my_car.jpg


(IMAGES copyright Traxxas and Patrick del Castillo respectively)

Is that your ride Patrick?

That new FET looks to be pretty good by itself, nevermind 12 of them per phase. Just need some like that with the same specs, except good for ~60v. :smile:

Why do I get the feeling that we will be ordering pizza again in the near future... :whistle:

Well -- without opening it, you couldn't tell. We kinda sneaked this upgrade in without any fanfare.

We've been shipping with the new FETs for about two months. But there are still a lot of NTMFS4901 based MMM controllers out there.

How much difference between the old and new FET? Not as much as you might think, because the copper and capacitors in the MMM are the main limiting factors. The power handling difference between the old and new MMM MOSFETs is less than 5%. Add a capacitor pack (like on the Traxxas version) and the power handling goes up by about 15%.

http://www.castlecreations.com/produ...-cap-pack.html

Only if CC provides the secret unlock code - maybe make it an Easter Egg in the CL app. :wink:

The only thing I hate about adding caps is that stupid spark that startles me every time (even when I expect it). Is it still taboo to use a no-spark resistor on these ESCs?