Brushless setups for cars and trucks
 

I posted this on URC and thought you guys might get some use out of it too. It is not meant to be a full list by any means, but as a list to help you start picking out bl systems.



Brushless setups for cars and trucks


This guide is meant to give you an idea of what to look at for certain cars. There are thousands of combinations out there, so be creative.

Things to know when purchasing a brushless setup:

* Sensored has a good startup (little cogging) and is good for racing, but has limited cell capabilites.
* Sensorless doesn't have quite as good of a startup (cogging), but the difference between sensorless and sensored decreases as the technology progresses.
* Sensorless motors and ESCs are usually capable of handling high numbers of cells (12-40.)
* The Kv rating is the number of RPM per volt: the higher the Kv, the faster the motor will be on low cell counts. Current will increase if used in the same application with a lower gearing (bigger pinion/smaller spur)
* A lower Kv motor with a higher cell count will usually provide longer runtimes and be easier on the ESC and motor.
* Check out the stickied brushless manufacturer index for more info on the parts listed.
* Always check the amp ratings to make sure the ESC will handle the motor.
* Don't overgear your setup, don't push it to excessive speeds (60mph on 12 cells)

Key:

(S) = sensored

(SL) = sensorless

Blue: Popular setups


2WD or 4WD 1/10 on road (RC10TC3, RC10TC4, Pro4, 4-tec)

Possible ESCs

* BK Warrior 7020, 7018 and the 9920, 9918(SL)
* BK Micro (SL)
* Mtroniks Pro (SL)
* MGM 80 (SL)
* Quark Roadster, Competition (SL)
* Schulze Future 12.97, Future 18.61, Future 18.97, U-force 75 (SL)
* Hacker Master 70 B-Flight, Master 70 O-Flight, Master 77 O-Flight (SL)
* Novak GTB, Super Sport (S)
* LRP Sphere (S)

Possible Motors

* Feigao 380C 6T, 7T (SL)
* BK Wanderer 6s, 7s, 8s(SL)
* Lehner Basic 4200, 5300 (SL)
* Lehner 1920/1930 (SL)
* Plettenberg Shadow (SL)
* Hacker C40 series (SL)
* Velociti 4.5, 5.5, 6.5 (S)
* Novak SS4300, SS5800 (S)
* Reedy NEO 1 (S)

2WD 1/10 stadium truck and buggy (Rustler, XXX-T, RC10T3, RC10T4, RC10B3, RC10B4)

Possible ESCs

* BK Warrior 7020, 7018 and the 9920, 9918(SL)
* BK Micro (SL)
* Mtroniks Pro (SL)
* MGM 80, 120 (SL)
* Quark Roadster, Competition (SL)
* Schulze Future 12.97, Future 18.97, U-force 75 (SL)
* Hacker Master 70 B-Flight, Master 70 O-Flight, Master 77 O-Flight, Master 90 O-Acro (SL)
* Novak GTB, Super Sport (S)
* LRP Sphere (S)

Possible Motors

* Feigao 380C 6T, 7T, 8T (SL)
* Feigao 540 12s (SL)
* BK Wanderer 6s, 7s, 8s (SL)
* Lehner Basic 2100, 2400, 2700, 3100, 4200, 5300 (SL)
* Plettenberg Shadow (SL)
* Hacker C40 series (SL)
* Velociti 4.5, 5.5, 6.5 (S)
* Novak SS4300, SS5800 (S)
* Reedy NEO 1 (S)

2WD 1/10 monster truck (Stampede)

Possible ESCs

* BK Warrior 7020, 7018 and the 9920, 9918(SL)
* BK Micro (SL)
* Mtroniks Pro, Truck (SL)
* MGM 80, 120 (SL)
* Quark Roadster, Competition (SL)
* Schulze Future 12.97, Future 18.97, U-force 75 (SL)
* Hacker Master 70 B-Flight, Master 70 O-Flight, Master 77 O-Flight, Master 90 O-Acro, Master 90 O-F5D (SL)
* Novak GTB, Super Sport (S)
* LRP Sphere (S)

Possible Motors

* Feigao 380C 6T, 7T, 8T, 6L (SL)
* BK Wanderer 6s, 7s, 8s (SL)
* Lehner Basic 2100, 2400, 2700, 3100, 4200, 5300 (SL)
* Lehner 1920/1930 (SL)
* Plettenberg Shadow (SL)
* Hacker C40 series (SL)
* Velociti 4.5, 5.5, 6.5 (S)
* Novak SS4300, SS5800 (S)
* Reedy NEO 1 (S)

4WD 1/10 monster truck (E-Maxx)

Possible ESCs

* BK Warrior 7020, 7018 and the 9920, 9918(SL)
* BK Micro (SL)
* Mtroniks Truck (SL)
* MGM 120 (SL)
* Quark Competition, Monster (SL)
* Schulze Future 12.97, Future 18.97, Future 18.129 (SL)
* Hacker Master 90 O-Acro, Master 90 O-F5D (SL)
* Novak HV-Maxx (S)

Possible Motors

* Feigao 540 8L, 9L, 10L, 7XL, 8XL, 9XL, 10XL (SL)
* Feigao 540C 9L (SL)
* BK Wanderer 8L, 9L, 10L (SL)
* Lehner Basic XL2000, XL2400, XL2800, XL3500 (SL)
* Plettenberg MAXXimum/Bigmaxximum (SL)
* Hacker C50 series (SL)
* Novak HV-Maxx (S)

4WD 1/8 and 1/10 monster truck conversions (Savage, Revo)

Possible ESCs

* BK Warrior 7020, 7018 and the 9920, 9918(SL)
* BK Micro (SL)
* Mtroniks Truck (SL)
* MGM 120, 160 (SL)
* Quark Monster (SL)
* Future 18.97, Future 18.129, Future 24.89, Future 32.170, Future 40.160 (SL)
* Hacker Master 90 O-Acro, Master 125 O-F5F, Master 135 O-F5B, Master 195 O-F5B (SL)

Possible Motors

* Feigao 540 7XL, 8XL, 9XL, 10XL, 12XL (SL)
* BK Wanderer 7XL, 8XL, 9XL, 10XL, 12XL (SL)
* Lehner 1930 and up series (SL)
* Plettenberg Maxximum/Bigmaxximum (SL) (only in combination with a schulze controller, not yet confirmed on a MGM)

If I missed anything, tell me and I'll add it. Mods feel free to edit.


JB

Thanks for this contribution.

It would be easier to give a current/voltage rating on the controllers. I will look a bit closer into the motors later this day.

Some cars/trucks would do well on a 7018/20 as well. The Warriors, are no micro's and they can be used for all trucks/cars (if rated in current and voltage)

where's the lehner 1950?

Good list you have there.

Well it is missing a few. Plettenberg big maxximum, bk micro series, the 1950 lehner, some run the 22 seres lehenrs,
I have an emaxx and run the motor you have in the revo list as well. It is a very well put together list. hard to remember all of them.

Very informative list, good job.

Thanks for the compliments. I made it with the brushless beginner in mind. I didn't put the Lehners in because they are so much money. When I get some time I might be able to add the lehners as well as prices for all of the listed motors. I'll try working on voltage as well.


JB

i understand you didn't see the edit i did on it?

Great list. Hacker B50s L? I suppose you could go on and on.

How about making popular setups in green or something to stand out?

I have a brand new E-maxxx,what do all of you think would be the best thing for my truck, two make it alot BETER????????:017: :017: i dot no lol:007: :007: :007:

Depending how many cells you run, if its 14 than a 9xl on a 9920 would make your truck alot faster than stock!

YA can't you use an xl motor on an e-maxx?:013: thanks for posting that up some of the noobs in BL, sutch as me! will take this into lots of consideration.

harry, it also matters about run time, it's pointless to make a super fast truck and drive it for 10 mins. You would want to think about your runtimes.

Indeed you can.

thanks sylvester, the xl is the same price as a L motor. and for me i would want an Xl for nice run times, and way batter temps.

Great List Jagboy! Especially for a new guy. Can you take a minute and anwer a couple futher questions on set up-
How do you match controller, batteries and motor using those numbers?
What mechanically does "turns" mean? (I realize a 8 turn is faster on fewer cells than a 10, but why)
Those two answers would make everything I am reading clear! Thanks!

The Wanderer XL range is the best value by far. I love my 7XL so much although runtimes are abit poor on high cell counts. Going to try the GP4300s or IB4200s soon.

Get the IB4200's, the gp4300's have garbage voltage. And for 100mah more, i dont think that they will make that much of a difference. Ive used the 4200's for a long time, no flaws, even though i only got 12 runs because of user fault! Doh! ;)

Yea, go for the IB 4200's...

Serum: No, I didn't see the edit; thanks. I was actually thinking about giving specific cell counts to each motor. It will take a while, but I think it will be a good addition to the chart.

Nick: Good idea. I'll spend some time on that as well.

damon: High quality sub c cells will be able to power basically all of the motors listed. High quality being cells like GP3700, IB3800, IB4200, etc. LiPo packs will be even better as long as they can deliver the current. Just make sure you know what you are doing when you go with lithium cells. As far as motor/controller setups, that's a bit tougher. Feigao does have a list of max amp draws of all of their motors. This is a good starting place when you start making different setups. Here's the link: http://www.feigao.com/sdp/85838/4/cp-102738.html. Keep in mind that those are max currents. Check out the ESC manufacturer's ratings to make sure that the ESC can take the currents. Also, if your budget can take it, it never hurts to overshoot your needs. The beefier the controller, the more room it takes up, but the more electricity it can handle.
Turns is a bit harder to explain. It has to do with the amount of times a wire is wrapped around in a coil. If someone else could elaborate, that would be great. It really threw me for a loop when I opened up my 380C 6t can to find a great mass of wires glued to the inside.

I hope that helped.


JB

:032: Could you explain to me why? I have ran a xl in a emaxx for a while. You do have to upgrade but it is awesome.

leroy you dont follow that chart to well you put 22 series in maxx and that aint even on the list

Leroy, He was asking, you can't use a XL in a E-maxx? Probably because the chart didn't list it as one of the motors but the XL's were on the Revo/Savage list.