Neu vs Feigao XL
 

I hear so many people using these new Neu motors now, but I know not much about them except they're pricey and efficent. So I was wondering if any of you guys had run one and could compare its performance to a XL Feigao? I have a 9XL, was going to order an 8XL, but would like to give these motors a second look before I do, if its going to be more powerful with a Neu, and put less strain on the ESC, I'll pick one up. Looking at around 1900-2000kv loaded ideally.

Rts I just posted a reply on the other forum.

I haven't run an XL so I will leave that to others. I think raw performance isn't the issue as the Feigaos run very well and are bargain priced.

But there is no doubt about the quality and efficiency of the Neu. The fact that we are stressing even the best speedos means there is a lot of value in having a good efficienat motor.

Think of it as Chevy Camaro vs. BMW M5. Both get the job done but which would you rather have? :D

Bottom line for me is that it's been priceless that I can actually race a 30 minute main with no thermal meltdowns. All the $$$ and labor you put into a project like a BL 1/8 is a waste when you can't do with it what it's made for.

I'll let you know how i like the 2200kv neu against the 2200 kv xl. the neu is superior.

It's a 4 pole (meaning more torque) and it uses a segmented magnet, which makes it more ideal on partial load. and on top of that, they are more efficient.

you get what you pay for. as simple as that. Good quality comes with a pricetag.

I'd love to hear how the two compare when you get the time Serum. 4 pole would be nice to have for sure. These upper end motors are pricey..but I guess thats why they're upper end :)

Glassdoctor, thanks for your response here and on that "other" forum. Sounds like i'd get much better temps, and better runtime using one of these motors..still hard to justify the cost though, I don't take the car to a track much and never plan to race my Savage, at least until they build a track near where I'm moving to, so a hotter running Feigao may be better..my 9XL doesn't run too hot, I wouldn't have thought a jump to an 8XL would make much of a heat difference..

The worst the Mamba could do if a Feigao pushes it harder than a Neu is thermal, right? Hopefully no smoke involved if it can't handle it and I have to buy a Neu.

Are you planning on using the mamba on 16 cells?

Well Mr Palmer himself said it'll do it as long as I don't push the gearing too far, causing it to overheat. With limited warranty in my RC10GT stadium, but no warranty in the Savage.

So yes I will eventually give 16 cells a go, if it works okay on 12/14. If it blows up I'll post a pic :D :)

on what forum was this? he was very reserved to me about it..

I guess he thinks i am an 11 years old with 0 experience.. LOL

Not on this forum, I used the quote tag as I was quoting him from a private message on another forum. We was discussing how well it would fare in my RC10GT conversion - as its heavier than a regular ST, and I run 14 cells in it (can we say overkill lol).

Yeah, i was asking what forum it was on? is there a poster of CC aboard?

Was on radio-control-zone forum, Shawn Palmer is a semi-regular poster there. Has his own thread in the vehicle brushless section for Q/A's.

I was told the same thing as Serum about using the mamba max with 12 cells on a 7-9XL in a G2R revo, Not recomended

I would go for the Camaro....

Are you kidding? The M5 is a VERY sweet ride! The Camaro may have the edge on raw power and price, but the M5 is a whole package deal; looks, handling, and power. 500HP is nothing to scoff at. Of course, if you are counting pennies, then the Camaro has the edge...

Personally, I'd go for the M3 as I tend to like smaller vehicles. I like the fact they "feel" lighter. Still has 330HP too. Too bad it's about 50 large. :dft004:

If that is all true (about the 16 cells), then 5s will work too.

5s @ full charge (4.2v/cell) = 21v.
16 cells @ full charge (~1.4v/cell) = 22.4v.

Very true but the camaro is its own style, M5 looks like a mercedes,that looks like an audi, that looks like a lexus,and so on , and so on

Hmmm. Maybe. I can understand what you mean, but I still think the BMW has a distinctive look. Classy and performance.

LOL! Brian.. The M3 costs 50 grand over there!?!??!!

it's 120k here..

Welcome to Holland.. And you guys still think we are cheap.. LOL

Wow! 120K! How does the Holland dollar compare to the US dollar though? Or is it just that much more over there (and why)?

May I ask what setup you are running to achieve a 30 minute main?
Do you have to swap battery packs?

Tax is killing. (we are all stupid enough to pay and pay and pay..) the goverment is taking about 40-50 percent from our pay-roll, we pay 19 percent of taxes over things we buy (food is 6 percent)

we have got a Euro currency, i calculated it back to dollars.

It IS stupid, since Germany is our neighbour country..

A minimum of 8000mah lipos and a Neu 1512 or 1515 will make 30 minutes. My truggy has a 12000mah lipo in it and would go 40+ min if I ever ran out the whole pack.

A 15 min main used less than 4000mah according to my charger at the last race. I have much more info on the setups in the "Jammin truggy" thread... and others.

Basics: MambaMax, Neu 1515 1700kv, 4s lipo, geared 12/49 to 14/49

Ok.. the car choice opened the ol can-o-worms. :)

The Camaro and M5 may not be the perfect example... but what I meant was that two cars might have similar horsepower etc and may be close in track performance but they can be vastly different in how the get it done... one car may be less refined and maybe a handful to keep on the track while another one is sheer pleasure to drive while still having equal or better performance. Maybe Viper vs. McLaren? :p

I'm partial to Corvettes personally... and I have a lot of cars I like. But the Z06 is one of the greatest sports cars ever made. IMHO I don't think I will ever get to have one though :012: :012:

It's the exception to the rule... little engine that could... the Feigao that smokes the Lehners of the world and looks good doing it. :D

It has the looks and the raw performance to run with the big boys... nothing beats it for less than 10X the price. Only the exotic supercars in the high six figure range cleary best a Z06 in a fair fight. But then how can $65,000 vs. $500,00+ ever be fair? :005:

Smileyfest :010:

This was about neu vs wanderer, not lmt vs wanderer..?

"lehners of the world"... I mean any high end more expensive motors.. Neus included :)

Sorry bout that Vette rant.. I'm sure some disagree.... he he

Well, quality-wise it's not a comparison that can be put down in those two sports-cars. One is budget, cheap produced, while the other isn't a compromise.

baseline is that you get what you pay for, and the neu motors are not 10 times the price of an lmt.

Again, they use segmented magnets, are 4 poles and they are build with better quality standards. did i mentioned they run more efficient on partial load?

M5 gets my vote, even if its a bit pricey and just a little bit ugly.

I think overall the Feigao is going to work out better for me. I know its not 4 pole, or using segmented magnets, and that its built by some guy being paid $3 a day in china, but I'm not racing only bashing, so I think I'm better off getting the Feigao, and saving the dosh for something else. From the sound of it the power isn't wildly different, just efficency and in turn the temperatures and runtime. Well my 9XL never gets to the temp point where I begin to get concerned about it, so I should be okay with the 8XL.. I hope :D

Thanks for all your input guys, if I decide to race an MT in the future I know which motor I'm buying!

A thing to consider;

I wasted a rotor on my 8XL with bashing. one magnet got loose (the S uses 1, L 2 and the XL has 3 magnets on the rotor-shaft)

When 1 magnets get's loose, you think the controller died on you. it's acting weird at first sight.

Aye I've had the magnet move on a 540-S before which made it act rather strange..fortunately Mtroniks warranty replaced the whole thing for free.

Camaro all the way...I hate BMW's and I hate little ugly cars that cost alot as well as have no hopups...I could EASILY get a Camaro to 600hp at the rear wheels with 10K....Not bad IMHO...

But..could you stand living with a car as ugly as a Camaro? Even the styling of a Peugeot 106 is better than that!

The Camaro looks great....I looks better than any BMW....or Peugeot for that matter....

Then we're gonna have to agree to disagree on that :D Looks crap to me.

Boys will be boys..

This thread has got the potential to become the longest on the on the forum..

Yeah, X vs Y threads tend to do that...

Thanks Brian, you just contributed to my expectation..

though your post could have been more vehicle oriented, just to revolt and become a value added writer to this riot.

Lol. I think I've already said my piece. I think it's ok to express one's opinion once or twice, but trying to change someone else's opinion is just a waste of time,

It's all in good fun... threads like this offer a little humor and a break from being too serious about toy cars.

I would never own a BMW either but I have to admit some of them look sweet and the M series are real performers.

As a kid I spent time cruising in a big block 69 Camaro that could pull the front end off the ground with slicks. But I never liked them really... still a Corvette guy.

Hey... all those retro cars coming out now are cool... even the Mopar stuff.

I wouldn't say no to either one.

Well if someone said to me one day "want a Camaro" I'd quite happily accept it. Then flog it and buy a decent car :D

Lol, yup. I'd do the same.

Glassdoctor: Personally, I'd take a Viper over a 'Vette, but only the older style. Black, RT/10, ~1995-1998, preferable when they had side exhausts. Sweet.