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Shark413 01.05.2007 04:47 PM

Telemetry Question
 
I just got the Spektrum telemetry module and I am putting it on my brushless Revo. It has one temp probe, and my question is should I monitor the temp of the motor, ESC or battery (I run two batteries so I would only be able to monitor one)? Any comments?



Thanks

BrianG 01.05.2007 06:02 PM

Depends.

You could put it on the device that has more history of getting hotter.

Or, you could put it on the most expensive device.

If it were me, I would put it on the ESC since electronic components are more sensitive to heat.

Procharged5.0 01.05.2007 06:05 PM

I'LL SECOND THAT. I plan to buy the Eagletree Data/Telemetry system. That alows for multiple temps, multiple RPM's, Current, voltage, etc. etc. more money but does much more.

For now, I say monitor your ESC.

GorillaMaxx360 01.06.2007 01:32 AM

third the ESC. It is a very important part of the car plus is is the most susceptible to heat issues.

MetalMan 01.07.2007 02:04 PM

I would say the motor. Usually ESCs have a thermal protection feature, but sensorless motors don't.

Procharged5.0 01.07.2007 10:53 PM

Metalman,

From your experience..............

What are the odds of a sensorless motor "burning up" before the ESC "feels the stress" and heats up itself???

MetalMan 01.08.2007 12:07 AM

I would have no idea. I've never burned up a motor. My guess is that the only way to do that would be to run an ESC with high current capabilities with a motor that is smaller and doesn't require too much current. Then, you could overgear the motor and the ESC might not heat up too much, but the motor would get very hot. So basically, it depends on some factors.

Mike.L 01.08.2007 09:14 AM

i would try and switch it up a little, monitor your esc, and then monitor your motor.

Procharged5.0 01.08.2007 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike.L
i would try and switch it up a little, monitor your esc, and then monitor your motor.

That's where I was coming from. I would start with monitoring the ESC. IMHO.

BrianG 01.08.2007 11:52 AM

Does the telemetry system have spots for two temp probes? That would solve your conundrum...

Mike.L 01.08.2007 06:02 PM

wondering........ what else does it monitor?

Sylvester 01.08.2007 06:06 PM

It moniters engine temp , voltage of batts, timer, and lap system if i am correct.

Mike.L 01.08.2007 06:57 PM

what about fuel scince its made for nitros.

GorillaMaxx360 01.08.2007 06:59 PM

if you mean how full the tank is then no but you could check the fuel if you have a clear tank but if your in a race this would not be in your best intrest.

Mike.L 01.08.2007 07:09 PM

i thought it wouldn't

Sylvester 01.08.2007 07:24 PM

That wouldnt be easy as you'd need a floater to check fuel capacity.. Would be a cool addition, though!

Mike.L 01.08.2007 07:28 PM

yea it would be good to let pros know when to do their pits.

GorillaMaxx360 01.08.2007 07:42 PM

sounds like an invention whos up for it. LOL it would be good thought becuase they know when to pit getting the most out of there run like mike said.

Sylvester 01.08.2007 08:48 PM

Good invention, but not worth the time imo.

If the drivers have a day or so to practice, they will know pretty much when to pit (1 lap before the tank is almost empty) so they dont run out before the motor just goes ~BRRRRRRRRRRR~ lol.

BrianG 01.08.2007 09:10 PM

With all the fuel sloshing around in the tank due to vehicle angle (including upside down) and bumps, it would be very difficult to make an accurate general purpose fuel level indicator. The best way I can think of is to make a fuel flow meter in the actual fuel line. You'd have to somehow program in the fuel tank capacity so it knows how full it is.

Easier to do away with fuel issues by going brushless. :)

Sylvester 01.08.2007 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianG

Easier to do away with fuel issues by going brushless. :)

Was about to post the EXACT same thing! :005: :027:

Mike.L 01.08.2007 09:17 PM

yupp and its easy to tell if our batterys are dieing lol:005:

Sylvester 01.08.2007 09:22 PM

Too bad it takes twice maybe even three times the time to pit.

GorillaMaxx360 01.08.2007 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianG
Easier to do away with fuel issues by going brushless. :)

LOL yes that is the best way to settle that just ditch gas tank and go BL. hehe!

Sylvester 01.08.2007 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GorillaMaxx360
LOL yes that is the best way to settle that just ditch gas tank and go BL. hehe!

Had a really high feeling that you would agree, gorilla! :)

BrianG 01.08.2007 09:25 PM

I'm sure lipos are a little difficult since they dump kinda quick, but NiMHs have a slightly slower dump curve. I can tell when my Revo only has about 30-60 sec left by the loss in punch.

If you wanted to know exactly when it will dump, you'd just need something that will measure the current of the battery (like the Eagletree), calculate Ah and then tell you when you reach 85% if the battery capacity.

GorillaMaxx360 01.08.2007 09:31 PM

man i dont have my lipos yet but i was driving the mini micro t and someone said the battery just stops just like it is lipo so i drove it. While driving it i was having fun the whole time and the voltage seemed to be the same and all of a sudden while going like 15mph is breaks immediatly and the battery died it was like a slow break the cutoff was so defined it was like a line that when it crossed it just shut down.

Sylvester- Yes i very much di agree with that statement -Brushless rocks!!!- but seriously when you are using 8000mah maxams batteries and you are at the track racing w/ the nitros and they pit for fuel 6 to 7 times and you are still going it really make them think twice about Electric.

Sylvester 01.08.2007 09:41 PM

Yea! Lipo, BL, telemtry, and a reliable vehicle is the way of the future!

Gorilla ; Was the micro-t using a lipo or standard nimh?

GorillaMaxx360 01.08.2007 09:55 PM

it was a standard mah but for some reason it seemed to have the characteristics or a lipo, Like total overpoweringness instant wheelers, and a cutoff at the very end of the battery that goes from full speed to 0mph in about 3 seconds and it stayed dead it was the weirdest thing i guess it was just because it was 4 cells and that might be why it does that. strange really


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