Should I just wait??
 

I am hearing things like next spring for the Mamba monster combo. I am confident it should RIP!!!! should I go ahead an order a Quark and NEU motor or should I just wait for this?? thanks.

Depends. Can you wait? They say this spring, but who knows when they will really be out. I imagine the price will be far better than the Quark/Neu combo.

do you think it will be more powerful than the Quark/NEU?

The esc will be yes... the motor, I doubt. Their goal is to equal a Neu. We'll see how close they come.

I'm pretty sure we can expect it to be the best all around system and bang for buck available, just like the MM is.

It's really hard to say. Rumor has it that the ESC is for 5s (maybe 6s if you push it a little like we do with the MM). I also heard talk that the motors were Neu-based. Not sure.

I know how you feel though: Do I wait until the next big thing (and possibly be disappointed that I waited so long for something that doesn't live up to the hype), or do I just bite the bullet now and get what's good since I know how this combo runs?

Either way, you probably won't be dissatisfied. The only real big difference is the price and the programmability of the ESC. Maybe some extra current handling, etc. Then again, there may be problems with the first batch. Who knows.

i would wait if you can handle it at most if you wait you will be in for a let down but, if you buy the neu quark combo and the mmm combo is like 200 to 300 less and performs equally or somewhat better then you will feel bad. Please do what you wish but there will be no dissadvantage to waiting even if it is just a few weeks longer. But that is just my opinion do what you wish.

Indeed, can you wait that long? I love my HVMAXX to bits- plenty enough for what I need. The Neu/quark will eat a HVMAXX alive, but then again how much power/speed do you really need/can you use in your track/driving/bashing spot? The MMM will be cheaper, but then again you might find you need new diffs every week..... alot to think about, me thinks.

Actually Brian, the MMM will be 6S (or perhaps 8S, I can't remember) capable, but there will be a HV version capable of 12S. :D

Myself, I hate waiting on new releases, especially in RC. I'd rather spend the money and enjoy something for a year versus sitting there fantasizing about a future product.

No matter what, there will always be new and better products out there in the future for less money. Life's too short to waste it away pondering how great something in the future can be...get out there and enjoy what's available now!

Actually, that's not true...

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...&postcount=226

Ah. I missed that post, but as of a few months ago, they said that the MMM will be 6S and the HV will be 12S, but that was a little while back. I don't really wanna wait for the HV, so I'll probably just get the MMM.

It would suck if you wait 2 months and it gets pushed back again and again.
You could be out having a blast.

That's kinda what I'm thinking...

This hobby is a lot like the computer industry sometimes. If you wait until the next big thing, when it does arrive, there is another big thing on the horizon and you could end up waiting forever.

so we are talking a few more months?? I can wait that long.

thanks for all the help again guys

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on Castle to actually release the MMM this summer. If the past release of the MM is any indication of how late it'll be, it's likely to be Christmas before it's available.

I agree, but you never know. I would get something in the meantime.....but that's just me.

Yeah they got a point on the mamba maxx. It was like it was ready to come out for a year or more.

Once we hear that the Beta testers got their units to test then I would plan a few months at best. And thats if they don't find anything major in the beta testing. Until then its all just talk and if you ask castle they will not commit to anything. I personally wouldn't wait. It could be 3 months (at best) and it could be another year IMO. Remember how long we waited for the Mamba Max. It took a good year longer than everyone was expecting. 3 months from now they will be saying only 3 more months.:007: :032:

CC is fast to advertize, but seems to be very slow to deliver. Granted.. when they do deliver you can pretty much count on a quality product.


EDIT: And if you have the Quark Neu , you wont even want the MMM. You will be VERY happy with the performance.

Ok, as soon as I gather up the funds, I will get a Quark NEU, unless a MMM comes out before I do that. thanks.

Good lad, you know it makes sense :), and you wont be disappointed.

Afterthought, does the Quark have a programmable LVC, and if it doesn't, can someone reccomend a good LVC for 6S Lipo? (doubt I will be runnin THAT much power, but better safe than sorry)

The Quark has pre-set LVC settings that you can choose ranging from 2.2v/cell to 3v/cell. I wish they had a 3.1v and even 3.2v/cell settings though...

The manual was downloadable from the S&T website, but seems to be unavailable at the moment...

Edit: Found the manual elsewhere online...

From my way of seeing it, I'd rather have it now. If the MMM does come out on time, odds are that it will be very reasonably priced and you'll already have a Neu motor to run with it.

I don't have a Quark/Neu combo. I wish I did, but considering all of the rave reviews and comments made about this combo, I don't think that anyone could say that they regretted getting it, regardless of the price of the MMM combo a few months from now.

I just had recently installed the Neu 1515 1Y on my G2r revo with a Quark Monster pro on it,by my experience in brushless set ups from the early explosive shulze to not so much amps hacker , C50 maxx,hacker XLs this Neu/Quark combo is by far the best I've ever used especially in racing.No temp problems using the RCM heatsink I bought and the Neu motor is not even warm to touch given I'm using fans on both of them.But I can run all day with this set up and practise all day the only thing that limits me is Batteries unless I have tons of them

Like everyone said, you could be waiting for the MMM longer than you anticipate. Besides, if you can afford the Quark/Neu combo now, go ahead and get it. If the MMM system is as affordable as the MM system, relatively speaking, then you could get that too, when it comes out.

I've been thinking about the MMM myself, but I read someplace that the motor is going to be a 2000kv motor. I was excited about it when I read that, but have since then, started running 5S. I'm running that on an 8XL right now, which is a bit less than 2000kv. It's stupid. Way too much power, especially for a track. My next motor is going to be in the 1500-1700kv range for the track. I like running the 5S. Everything is running cooler, so I'm just going to accommodate the voltage.

aangel is that on your compro or the mamba? I have been running 5s on a 9xl and think its pretty good. I haven't tried it on the track yet but hope to soon. I also think my next motor will be in the 1700kv range. Hoping mike gets in the 1515 neu 2.5d soon.

I run the same system in my maxx and also love it! I geared for 16/40 with the slipperential and I have plenty of speed and torque. My temps are "cool runnins"!!! Great combo!

gixxer,

I started running the 5S to take advantage of the Compro's being able to do it. I don't know if you read about it, but I've had nothing but trouble with my Compro and it's going back to Mike so that he can make sure that it isn't me doing something wrong. Since I have so many MMs laying around, I put one of those back into my Muggy and am running that on 5S.

My Muggy weighs 13lbs and is a chore for the MM to get moving. I've had to watch the gearing to make sure that the motor doesn't try to draw too many amps. When you over gear a MM with that much of a load, it starts to cog. With one MM, it cogged and I didn't catch it. Toasted the ESC. I just put a lighter set of tires on it and reduced the pinion by 1 tooth. Now, I'm not having any problems. I'll just keep running this until my new Compro comes in and I can get the truck geared right. I think I'm running under geared for the motor, but it's all the esc will take.

Running the MM in a heavy 1/8 scale truck is definitely on the the ragged edge of what the MM is capable of.

AAngel,

What gearing are you running? Tires? Motor? I'm thinking about doing a SAvage with a MM on 5s w/ a 9xl. Understanding your gearing ratio on a 13lb truck should help me with my 13lber.

I'm thinking about trying 5s on a MM... I'd like to hear how many have done that and if everyone had problems or just a few.

I know I toasted a MM on 5s, but it was also a neu motor that I was having cogging issues with already. I am gonna try it again, this time with a 9XL and soldered motor wire connectons. We'll see what happens this time. I think the combination of Neu and 5s wasnt good for the MM. At least it wansn't for me.

OK, this is what I know works, but first my Muggy has, what appears to be, non standard gearing in the diffs. I think that most have 13/43 gearing, but mine has 11/45. I guess it's because of the huge tires that the truck comes stock with.

When running 9/46 with 40 series mashers and an 8XL, it ran pretty good. Cogging was almost non existent. If it did cog, it was only for a split second then the truck would take off. The motor was obviously running hotter (though not over heating) than the esc, so I decided to try 10/46. It started cogging and ultimately toasted the MM. I'm guessing that the 9/46 with the mashers was right there on the edge.

I put in another MM and went back to my original 5S setup that was working. I didn't want to go back to the 9/46 with the mashers, since that was obviously on the very edge. I went back 9/46 with the stock 40 series losi tires. Again, no problems. These tires weighed 2 ounces less per tire than the mashers and were slightly shorter. With the 9/46 with either set of 40 series tires, the torque was just plain stupid. I could pull wheelies at will and it almost didn't matter how fast I was going.

I also tried 10/46 on a set of bowties with ofna half offset wheels. No problems, although again, the motor getting hotter than the esc indicates that the motor is still a bit undergeared. These tires weighed four or six ounces per tire less than the mashers, I don't remember which; but there are what I think is significantly shorter than the 40 series.

I'm so sick and tired of trying to get into a high end brushless system (Neu and a controller) that I'm thinking of just sticking with the MM and getting a 9XL.

I'm thinking this because I was having all sorts of over current troubles with the MM in the Muggy with the 7XL causing it to cog when I was running 4S. When I went to the 8XL and the same gearing, all of my troubles went away. When I went to 5S, the 8XL came alive. Now I'm thinking that going with a 9XL will allow me to put some gear on the system and not have an over current problem. Maybe I'm off base here, but seem to recall someone at Castle referring to the MM as a 1000 watt system. Perhaps, you just need to stay around that with the combo of voltage and current and all will be well. I don't know. Can anyone shed some light. It still baffles me that the MM will even run on 5S.

I really don't care about going fast with the Muggy. All I want is a solid 35 mph for the track and have the motor run cool.

On the plus side, as long as I kept the gearing down, the esc and battery didn't break a sweat.

Depending on what Mike decides that he's going to do with the Compro that I sent him, I may be waiting a while for a "better" controller, so the 9XL is looking very appealing.

What do you guys think?

BTW, I'm running a thunderpower 1010C charger/balancer combo, which lets me set it to charge the battery to 95% capacity and then cut off. This is what I'm doing since I heard some say the the MM acts weird on a fully charged 5S pack. I don't even know that it's necessary, but I've been doing it as a precautionary measure.

I heard from Tim Mohr if you run more than 4s on th MM to turn off the bec in the software and run a receiver pack that may help with some of the issues.

I run 5s on my MM in my girls maxx, her truck is about 11lbs. I too cannot run a fully charged 5s on hers, it'll go for a second then stop. So at that point I have to turn the MM off, then on. I pick it up and run it in the air for a few seconds, then she is good to go. But I need to drain the batt a little first. Other than that, I run 5s on a 10xl in her truck and it seems to do well. I run two 30mm fans on her esc though too. It's geared 14/51 mod 1 with stock diffs right now. But 5s so far has not been an issue on the MM esc.

Actually, I have found that anything over 2s should be using a receiver pack or UBEC (preferred). Read this for details.

I agree with you Brian / Brain. I use a ubec in my RC18T even on 2s...LOL, but my little esc stays much cooler.

my MM does the same thing with a fully charged 5s pack. I am running it in a losi 8 with a 9xl motor. I cant complain though since it is way out of spec. Other then that it does very well. Runs hot but what can I expect from a controller made for 10th scale and 3s. Now they just have to get us the MMM or tekin r1mt.

I agree, or a nice updated Quark would be good too!

I would be fine with that too. anyone know when the quark plasma is going to be out?