Evader BX - Going brushless
 

Heya guys, I'm brand spankin' new to the hobby. I got a Evader BX a couple months ago, and now I'm definately ready for more zip. After reading around I decided to go brushless, so that's lead me here. Currently the Evader is completely stock, running with generic 1500 batteries and charger.

At first I was considering a Novak Super Sport System since they can be found for just under $200, but from things I've read people don't seem to be all that happy with it.

Now I'm leaning more towards Lehner Basic 3100, 4200, or 5300, or Feigao 540 6s, or 8s. After that I'm not sure where to head in the form of a controller, I was thinking the Warrior 7108.

I'm wanting to try and get a system together that could maybe at least keep up with nitros. I don't do any racing, I'm not even sure if there is any racing in the area, but I've heard a few nitros in the neighborhood. Thing is I need to do this as cheap as possible. So what I need is help picking a good system that runs well for as little as possible. I'm completely clueless on gearing so I'll need help with that as well. I'll also need to decide which way to go on batteries. It'll probably take a few months to get this set up.

Thanks for putting up with a newbie like me :eek:

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I am new to this myself and am upgrading my losi xxxt to brushless. I know your car is a buggy, but the setup that I am getting is the Lehner 4200 and MGM 80. I am not sure about the Warrior, you'll need to ask Mike about that.

If you want cheap then go the novak (no exp with it though) as you get the motor and esc together or the feigao (again no exp just looking at prices).

For gearing the site below helped me.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=506

As for batteries, I read that you can get matched and zapped cells for racing or standard cells (unmatched) - this is probably the best choice for bashing (i.e. running about the neighbourhood). You can get your batteries off Mike or elsewhere (www.maxamps.com). GP3300's

Anyway, I have found that just reading forums like this and taking time to speak to mike and others really helpful in deciding what to get. Hope that helps :)

Well, either of the motors you mentioned will work fine. The "best" will depend on the cell count. A 1/10 buggy is pretty easy to make fast (another member has been over 60mph in a traxxas bandit buggy using 7 or 8 cells). The 7018 warrior would need a re eiver pack if you use less than 8 cells, so the MGM is usually the choice for the smaller vehicles.
The Novak system isn't bad at all, and on 7 cells in a small buggy would keep up with the nitros pretty well. The new ones are also compatible with brushed motors and they are releasing a couple newer, faster systems as well, so I wouldn't write the Novak off completely. The Novak is the cheapest system out there and would work quite well in the small 1/10 buggy. Of course, the MGM/Lehner combo could outperform the Novak, but if you want to balance price and performance, the Novak should still be a consideration.

Thanks for the help guys, sounds like I'm at least headed in the right direction.

Ok... So I'll put the Novak back on the table as a possibility, the price is definately appealing. I just don't want to turn around after a couple months wanting more. Of course I know there will always be more... but I want to do what I can right the first time so I don't spend any more $$ than I have to.

So Right now is seems to be between the Novak Super Sport and an MGM 80 and a Feigao 540 8s (or if I'm feeling particularly thrifty, a Lehner basic 4200) - and a 6 to 8 cell set-up

Thanks for the link on gearing Tonka, it'll definately be useful when I start getting things set-up.

The advantage of the non-Novak system is that when you thirst for more power, you can simply add cells. Just some more food for thought! :)

Go with the novak. I find that this motor paired with 7 gp3300s is the limit for the evaders (stock). I've ran my novak in my evader st for about 6-8 incomplete runs in a row now, all because of braking parts, and parts coming loose. And no, I'm not a bad driver. However my evader is 3.5 years old and I usually use masher 2k tires that put the car under a lot of stress. Anyhow, your 1500 mah batteries will be the limiting factor if you buy any brushless motor. Get gp3300s. (Night and day difference between the gp3300s and my 1500mah nicds).

Batteries will definately allow you to maximize any system you decide on. 1500s simply won't do a brushless system justice!

mike, what would you recommend for a losi xxx bk? i am looking for something to bash, run up and down the mall parkinglot, and maybe race, MAYBE (if they let me). of course before i buy it i will have to find out, but i was originally thinking lehner 5300 and warrior 7018 but cant run a reciever back because i have absolutely no room. mgm 80? also what about the novak? would that offer enough power? i dont wanna be working on it all the time, so would the 5300 be to much? about how fast would the novak push it, i know it would depend on the gearing but with a neutral gearing how fast would it go?

The Novak would make it go pretty well, hi 30's to low 40's probably. The xxx transmissions don't seem to have a problem with the novak system.

The MGM 80 is a great choice for lower cell counts(6-12). The 4200 would be my motor choice for dual purpose duty. The 5300 is faster, though. The Losi diffs will need frequent maintenance (even with brushed motors, they need frequent maintenance). I like the Associated trucks myself-their diffs are far superior.

im gonna try and get a bk2 diff for it asap. but what class would a brushless setup run it??

Mod, if the track allows it. some places run a seperate brushless class.

Fast!:M:

As I mentioned, I'm going to go with a new battery set-up so the 1500s I have now are a non-issue.

SpEEdyBL- What parts were you breaking mostly? I've been thinking I'd want to go to all the graphite and aluminum parts that I can. May make the buggy a bit heavier, but hopefully a bit more durable. I may just convert the BX to an ST in the process.

I've broken most of the plastic parts in crashes or just a mere wipe-out that involves hitting a bump. (The only plastic parts that I haven't broken are the rear a-arms and the rear hub carriers). Makes me think of how much of the car I've replaced lol.
Every single drivetrain part can fail in normal running. (idler gear. diff gear, spur gear, differential, slipper clutch, drive shafts and wheel pins)

First upgrade to:

Drive train:

1. Robinson racing "absolute" spur gear (also fits assciated stealth buggy)
2. slipper clutch bushings
3. carbide diff balls

Plastic:

1. aluminum front bulkhead
2. aluminum knuckle arms

The list of all the parts that should be upgraded is overwhelmingly long and expensive (may as well buy another car or two by then), but these I think are the most essential. Welcome to the brushless world!

For my xxx-t drivetrain, I run a 1 piece aluminum top shaft, kevlar spur gear, and high quality bearings. I can get around 20 runs usually. I've never tried an associated drivetrain, but if I were to build a truck specifically for brushless these days. It'd be an factory team t3 with all the rpm parts.

The t3 is nearly bulletproof, especially with an alloy idler gear. Wolrds above Losi in terms of durability in the drive train.

Another reason aassociated is better then losi people using ae stuff for there losi trucks make me laugh.

I have to give it to Losi on the shocks, though. Excellent boingers.

Thanks For the short list SpEEdyBL and Re~Mix, will definately put those on my parts list.

Has anyone heard of TowerPro? I saw a servo and a few other parts from them that I may consider, but again since I'm new to the hobby I don't know if it's a known/good brand or not...

my losi never gave me and drivetrain problems except having to replace the out bearings. it was actually my fault for blowing the dirt of of them with a air compressor. oops :M:

For any 1:10 buggy or truck (short of running masher 2K tyres, they're very heavy) I'd recommend a Lehner Basic 5300 and MGM80 combo. Or if your in the UK a Mtroniks Genesis combo, I've had really good performance with their kit with no issues. They've apparently sold hundreds of units as well with no real problems.

My 5300 with Mtroniks esc would give me loads of runtime, and more power than I knew what to do with. 60mph on 8 cells is easy work in my T3. I use mostly GP3300 batteries with my brushless kit, they perform great, look into getting 7 cells if your charger/power supply can handle it, just make sure the pack will fit in the car OK.

So ideally in your position I would get an MGM80 controller, Lehner basic 5300 motor and 6 or 7 cell GP3300 packs. This will give you everything, more power than you can put to the ground around the street half the time. The extra cell makes a lot of difference as well.

Associated trucks are built to take a lot, mine fitted with mashers and every RPM part (even GT nylon arms at front) will happily jump over my garage (about 8ft tall) without thinking about it as long as you land on all 4 wheels.

Never heard of Tower Pro, but if your looking for a servo check this out: (if its against the rules please delete the link) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1
Good quality, fast and strong, I put one in my truck not too long ago and use it in my TC3 as well. Just check the measurements on it to be sure it'll fit in your car, its a bit longer than some servo's.

I sell those servos for less, actually.

Just had a look at the servo's you sell, i couldn't find the specific one I linked to (BMS 631MG), but I see you do stock most of the other ones, but the ones you stock are more suited for trucks than something like an Evader.

Edit: Sorry I just found it and your price is better, bit hard to find though.

Yes, I need to get a seperate section for the radio equipment, I think. I am starting to get a lot of stuff and it is difficult to keep the site looking clean.

Sometimes you need to add a section to get more customers :) I think the site could still look clean with a slight restructure of the sections or simply adding a radio equ section.

Yeah, that is what I was referring to. I have enough stuff to justify a radio section, which would also clean up the other sections that have the radio stuff listed in them. I will try to get it done over the weekend.

May be a section for touring cars too?!

Touring car what is this you speak of? lol

i do not agree. i have a maba max running a feigeo 380 6t on a 3s high discarge lipo maxamps 8000hv and my ubgaded tranny handles it fine with the proper slipper adjustment. my tranny upgrades include:
aluminum idler, associated b2 diff. make sure u get the rings and the right size bearing for it., carbide diff balls and thrust balls, and a rear towblock brace is also a must as this setup is hard on any drive train. but anyways my car flys and i have no tranny issues but never run the slipper to tight or u will strip the diff gear like right now. biggest mistake made my brushless newbies

Holy Old Thread... I don't think this guy cares any more.

Good heavens!

It has been two years already.

LONG LIVE RC-MONSTER FORUMS!

wow
 

i never read the date dude yes 2 years is along time

I've been staring at your avatar trying to figure out what the hell it is.Tyre exploding?