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bluonyx 09.23.2007 08:36 PM

LST vs LST2/Aftershock????
 
Ii just picked up a LST roller on Ebay. I thought it was a LST2 but oh well, i should have read it better. Was thinking of putting a e-tranny in there and you know the rest.

Anyways, what are the differences between the LST and LST2/Aftershock?

bdebde 09.23.2007 08:50 PM

here, this should help ya:

http://teamlosi.com/Articles/Article...ArticleID=1546

bluonyx 09.23.2007 08:52 PM

Thanks, reading it right now.:mdr:

MTBikerTim 09.23.2007 08:54 PM

lst and aftershock are similar lst2 seems to have a lot of differences. The 2 speed setup on the aftershock doesn't seem to work until it is upgraded to the lst2 stuff. The A arms of the aftershock break if you look at them wrong. And that's the main issues I can think of. Since you won't be needing the tranny your biggest issue will be the A arms. The easy fix for those is a set of rpm arms or an lst2 chop shop.

bluonyx 09.23.2007 09:10 PM

Thanks MTBikerTim, I was thinking the same thing. I'll tinker with the setup till something breaks. I found another good article on the teamlosi website if anyone else is interested.

http://http://www.teamlosi.com/Artic...ArticleID=1577

bb16 09.23.2007 10:45 PM

I have an LST converted to and LST2. To be honest it is worth it to upgrade, I was bending cvds with a wimpy nitro motor. But the LST did last me a good 2 years before it was ready for upgrading.

bluonyx 09.24.2007 12:34 AM

I wonder how an HV would handle the LST. I've never had any problems with them before. and the HV now has lipo cutoff built into the programming.

lincpimp 09.24.2007 01:43 AM

I am in the process of converting an Aftershock at the moment. I will be using the emaxx tranny with a custom mount and battery tray. I have settled on using either a 9xl or a KB 45mm 8xl. Both have around a 1800kv rating so I will be running 5s lipo. A quark 125 will be hadling the esc duty, as it is the only higher amp esc I have that can handle 5s. I will gear for about 38mph in second gear, and retain 1st as it will be more bash-friendly in some of my play areas. I doubt that the current HV wil handle this truck, gearing will have to be low to make up for the lack of torque. With the nitro gear removed the truck is not too heavy, but add all of the brushless stuff and batteries and it get heavy fast.

mickeymoose 09.25.2007 08:38 AM

Hi guys, I have 2 LST2's with E-Maxx tranny's. One has a 9Xl / MM on 4s,set up for racing on a small tight track and the other one has an 8XL / Quark 125 on 4s both have single speed (2nd gear only) conversions, with good traction both will wheely, but the 8XL violently flips over. I find 1st gear pretty unusable.

bluonyx 09.25.2007 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickeymoose (Post 119788)
Hi guys, I have 2 LST2's with E-Maxx tranny's. One has a 9Xl / MM on 4s,set up for racing on a small tight track and the other one has an 8XL / Quark 125 on 4s both have single speed (2nd gear only) conversions, with good traction both will wheely, but the 8XL violently flips over. I find 1st gear pretty unusable.


Got any pics? I would love to see your setup. I have a peice of carbon fiber I'm going to use to make a completely new upper plate. I can use the old LST plate as the template and I have a spare emaxx chassis to use as the template for the tranny mounting.

Also curious what gearing you are using with your 9XL setup. I have a 9XL/MM 4S setup in my Emaxx and it seems pretty slow to me. (But I am only 2WD, would that make a huge difference?) It's got the gorillamaxx single speed tranny and is 18/66. I'm going to try 22/66 this weekend and see what happens. LMK thanks.

riceman 09.25.2007 11:59 AM

You can always run the stock LST2 tranny as well. Here is some video of mine almost a year ago when I first put it together. Since then I have gone through all kinds of mods and different combinations. 5S was fun but a little too risky with the Mamba Max. I finally settled in on a Neu 1515 1Y and 4S lipos. I'm running second gear only.

Getter Robo 09.25.2007 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluonyx (Post 119802)
Got any pics? I would love to see your setup. I have a peice of carbon fiber I'm going to use to make a completely new upper plate. I can use the old LST plate as the template and I have a spare emaxx chassis to use as the template for the tranny mounting.

That's exactly what I did, except with fiberglass since it's half the price at just 5% or such more weight. It's really worth it, I find it totally awesome.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4721/blsttt9.th.jpg

mickeymoose 09.25.2007 08:57 PM

I don't really have any pics of either of the trucks in their current configurations, but here are a couple of pics of the chassis and skid plates. I also used .125" spacer blocks under the tranny and milled about .045-.050" out of the skid plate for tranny clearance.

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...splates007.jpg

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...splates008.jpg

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...splates005.jpg

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...splates002.jpg

mickeymoose 09.25.2007 09:05 PM

Hey Getter Robo, that's sweet, I thought about fiberglass but i didn't now if it would hold up as well as the 6061-T6. I'm sure it's a lot lighter.

mickeymoose 09.25.2007 09:42 PM

Oh yea, I am running 22/66 gearing on the 9XL.

Getter Robo 09.26.2007 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickeymoose (Post 119910)
Hey Getter Robo, that's sweet, I thought about fiberglass but i didn't now if it would hold up as well as the 6061-T6. I'm sure it's a lot lighter.

Oh fiberglassis pretty strong while being like 35% lighter than alu. I actually find it easier to bend 60 aluminum than breaking fiberglass. There's a reason why it's being used for jump boards ;)

The only thing I don't like about it: it's urine-yellow color! I've seen it colored black but I got no idea how to DIY...

MTBikerTim 09.26.2007 01:01 AM

Guys I like what you have done to the LST. LST's and savages can take some serious punishment when it comes to bashing. Someone should manufacture those plates. It wouldn't be expensive to make.

ClodMaxx 09.27.2007 10:34 AM

i've asked the guy who owns DUH! Engineering if he could make a plate similar to mickeymoose's, only in titanium. so it'll hold an e-maxx transmission. we'll see what he says. :mdr:

i don't have an LST2, but am seriously thinking of getting one to convert. great job getter and mickeymoose!

Getter Robo 09.27.2007 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickeymoose (Post 119909)
I don't really have any pics of either of the trucks in their current configurations, but here are a couple of pics of the chassis and skid plates. I also used .125" spacer blocks under the tranny and milled about .045-.050" out of the skid plate for tranny clearance.

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...splates007.jpg

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...splates008.jpg

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...splates005.jpg

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...splates002.jpg


BTW: How did you make those plates with such a precision? Do you own a CNC?

mickeymoose 09.27.2007 05:21 PM

I have some limited access to a manual milling machine, but my buddy is a machinist, and he did all the cutouts(including the shape of both plates) on a cnc EDM machine. I then drilled all the apropriate holes, and cut the battery trays out of an E-Maxx chassis on the mill. If Monster Mike is interested I would be willing to work with him on these. sent him an e-mail awhile ago about it but got no reply. I know he is a very busy man though.

ClodMaxx 09.27.2007 05:27 PM

count this as one sale if mike makes them! :yes:

bluonyx 10.04.2007 01:23 AM

I got my LST yesterday and it's in really good condition. I removed all the electronics, gas tank and tranny. Won't be needing any of that stuff. It's amazing what a little WD40 and Simple Green will do. I now have so many projects I don't know where to start. I still have to finish my Alum. Maxx project too. I can't even see my workbench anymore.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...x/CIMG0180.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...x/CIMG0181.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...x/CIMG0182.jpg

lincpimp 10.04.2007 01:27 AM

I feel your pain. I have an 800sq/ft room filled with rc stuff and I just spin around with my eyes closed and point to what will get modded next!!!

Getter Robo 10.05.2007 02:20 PM

I just made myself a complete A-Arm pin set out of a 1 meter tall carbon fiber rod. Is carbon fiber okay for A-Arm pins or will my pins break fast?

riceman 10.05.2007 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Getter Robo (Post 121451)
I just made myself a complete A-Arm pin set out of a 1 meter tall carbon fiber rod. Is carbon fiber okay for A-Arm pins or will my pins break fast?

I guess it all depends on the quality of the CF. Seems to work for these guys.

Getter Robo 10.06.2007 03:36 AM

Well the rod was from my lhs, the brand is eolo-sport
I don't think anyone knows this brand so I should rather go to a skte park and test the pins...

JB3231 10.26.2007 10:08 PM

I sold my pimped out brushless LST2 a while back. I had made it bullet proof. If you have any ? let me know. I can tell you where the weak spots are.

bluonyx 10.27.2007 01:00 AM

Thanks JB3231. I'm still trying to decide on the ESC for this.

What was the setup on yours? Motor? ESC?

mickeymoose 10.27.2007 10:25 AM

Finally got a couple pics of my latest LST2 conversion that I've been running at my local track. It's got a 9Xl / MM combo on 4s MaxAmps 6000mah batts I switched to an MGT slipper for mod1 gears and I'm running 15/49 gearing. I have fans on everything, and while I'd prefer not using them, they do keep everything cool.

mickeymoose 10.27.2007 10:28 AM

sorry guys i forgot to include these pics

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ent=truck3.jpg
http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ent=truck4.jpg
http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ent=truck2.jpg
http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ent=truck1.jpg


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