Traxxas VXL made by Feigao
 

Hi.

FYI got on IM with someone today... don't want to confirm where in case I get them into trouble...

The VXL motor is made my Feigao but not the ESC...

Just for FYI....

Thats interesting...Glad to see Traxxas is making there own ESC's. The more companies that make em, the cheaper. Its good to know that the motors are Feigao as well. At least we know the quality...

I figured that the motor was nothing special. It gets really hot when you push it.

I never seen a fegaio motor with a solder plate, but it runs like a fegaio, kind of a power hog. Mine pulls 700 watts on my SRT on 2s lipo

I wonder how the VXL controller would run with a Neu motor.

I think that the esc is the reason that the system is power hungry, my esc ran just as hot as the motor. If it is a feigao, it would be a 10s motor. At least the end caps are held on with screws!

I know that there are quite a few people having fun with the VXLs, but I only kept mine for a few days. Everytime I tried to run it through the wringer, it got way too hot. I gave mine away to a kid that will never run anything more than a six cell pack through it.

anyone ever have tried this?

Supposedly the vxl does not like neu motors, or novak with the sensor cable attached, or not. Not sure that it is the do-all esc that traxxas would like us to think...

I like my rusty with vxl controller but it melted down with a higher kv motor 2pole....i put a MM and its running very good.....but i have ordered my new vxl.....its seems now it was a waste of money and time.....

Feigao does not make the velineon 3500 for traxxas. I 100% guarantee it. All this stuff is just rumors and is not true. Traxxas either has a small company that makes it for them or they make it for themselves.

Please post some facts to back up that assertion, otherwise your post is nothing more than a rumor too.

Takedown please clarify - It was Feigao themselves that told me they do make it! :)

Faigao probably does

They have motors with solder plates, as thats who makes the orion, peak etc motors, so taking the sensor out is about all the would have to do, and its a VXL

And I remember the VXL has a different rotor then the MM, I think it was longer, or bigger? Like a S can feigao?

The design, materials used, and performance definately point towards it being a feigao. They are all hacker clones, just with cheaper materials. Now if they would clone the c50 hacker motors with the segmented magnet rotor they may have something!

Honest I was IMing with alex at fiegao and he said this which is why i posted the thread... Not sure what it matters...

Even castle get there motors made offshore - Traxxas have no experience in brushless motor design...

And I don't think they want to manufacture brushless motors, as the cost would be beyound the market they are targeting.

I still wondering who made CC motor, In fact i'm pretty sure CC and Tekin are made by the same compagny but not feigao (5 mm shaft down to 3.17 and oversized ball bearing).

I pity tha fool who asks all of these questions!

Sorry, just had an A-Team flashback there, Mister-T!

The CC motor does not seem to be much different to a feigao. I had them both appart next to each other, and the cc motor has a shorter rotor than a S can feigao, and less windings in there, to make room for the solder plate. I feel that the cc motors are good for lightweight vehicles, and touring cars. A heavier vehicle like a pede benifits from a s can feigao, like a 12s on 3s lipo. Then a heavier 4wd vehicle like a crt.5 can do a s can, but for higher speeds and taller tires, a l can works better.

This is only what Ive heard directly from traxxas themselves and from many others. People say that feigao makes 99% of all cheap budget brushless motors out there when in reality its just not true. Why pay a company when you can make your own and sell it for the same price and make much more. After all brushless motors arent hard to make, the only thing that is difficult about making a brushless motor is tunign and tweking it so that it preforms at its best potential. Traxxas has definately gone threw this process and has had a breakthrew. Im betting anyone that feigao doesnt make it because the facts just dont add up IMO. I may be wrong but I doubt it...:wink:

On the other hand i wouldnt doubt that Feigao makes the CM36S series motors because they look alot like feigao's and preform darn near the same to. Its just those minor tweaks and mods that castle asked that company that makes their motors to do to the motors that make them castle specified. Their nothing special IMO.

Again - I spoke to Feigao re CC motors and they do not make them... Castle also have confirmed this too.

feigaomotor@hotmail.com

IM the guy yourself as you question my integrity

http://www.feigao.com/ - Check out their MSN details...

The guys name is Alex he is very helpful


My 2c on CC - Great product at a great price point with great service - There designed for 2wd rustlers is supporting i would saya majority of 1/8 conversions and runs well beyond spec
My 2c on Traxxas - Great products at a great price point with great service - They have a great intro range of products - They provided my intro to RC and many others I'm sure.

Traxxas opened the door for me on RC, CC brushless and RCM/StampedeProject 1/8 conversions - I'm greatful to all.

For me it is all about inovation - Traxxas innovated and captured a market with the revo - CC did the same with brushless

Traxxas were in catchup mode with the VXL - I hope the MMM will be a lead forward...

Sorry wound up!

That was what I thought, in this game of guess CC motor could be made by the factory that make the infamous KB45 XL, be we don't have a name ..

I can't agree with you more about Traxxas and CC! How many people have started with something other than a Traxxas product? I bought a T-maxx2.5R and got hooked, 4 months later a Revo 3.3, now I also have a RC18T, E-Revo(still at least 50% traxxas), new E-maxx, and a Losi slider. The RC18T has a CC BL combo in it that ispired me to do the E-revo with a BL. These are two amazing companies and I really hope the MMM lives up to all the hype and I'd love to see Traxxas introduce their own E-revo possibly with a BL or even a BL E-maxx RTR.

Am I Wrong?

I realised the screenshot wasn't good so I asked again!

Chris says:
Sorry to do this...
Chris says:
Please could you confirm that you make the traxxas VXL motor
FEIGAO Brushless-Alex (tradingmate@163.com) says:
it's not your problem.......
Chris says:
but do not make the CC motor...
FEIGAO Brushless-Alex (tradingmate@163.com) says:
YES.....
FEIGAO Brushless-Alex (tradingmate@163.com) says:
We are working now to make some higher end motor for large truck.....
Chris says:
OK now my friend has seen it maybe he'll belive me!
FEIGAO Brushless-Alex (tradingmate@163.com) says:
45mm size motor for 1:8 trucks
Chris says:
5mm shaft please!
FEIGAO Brushless-Alex (tradingmate@163.com) says:
with higher quality...
FEIGAO Brushless-Alex (tradingmate@163.com) says:
for sure....
Chris says:
Slotted rotor or 2 pole?
FEIGAO Brushless-Alex (tradingmate@163.com) says:
it should reach 2KW.....
FEIGAO Brushless-Alex (tradingmate@163.com) says:
slotless..
FEIGAO Brushless-Alex (tradingmate@163.com) says:
and 2 pole....
EIGAO Brushless-Alex (tradingmate@163.com) says:
Slotless motor will have more power...
FEIGAO Brushless-Alex (tradingmate@163.com) says:
slotted motor normally good for on road cars.....

Hopefully this puts it to bed finally!

Ok ok... You might have proven a valuable point but I gotta say, if Feigao does infact make the Velineon 3500 motor for traxxas then they made one helluva monster!

If you are trying to say that the velineon motor is a monster, then you need to pick up a s can feiago, like a 6 or 7 turn. Those bad boys can pull at least 120 amps when loaded right. The traxxas motor is good for 2wd, but is too small for a 4wd vehicle.

Agree comletely, although there is now a handful of geniuses on the traxxas board lauding the single VXL systems in there e-maxx.

As silly as it is, it is happening.

But I'll just take that as an apology...

It's also working very well for them for their intended purpose. There is also more than a handfull of geniuses trying to slap together boat and airplane components to get some high speed. By reading those threads...it doesn't seem to be working.:lol:

Works good until they actually do something besides street runs and drive in higher than 70 degree temps.

You should seriously reconcider what you just said... Ive ran the velineon motor on 4s lipo in an e-maxx and it was crazy! The temps were average (around 175 degrees) but it was extremely powerful for a 540 size motor.

Seriously dude.

I have tested the velineon motor and was not impressed. Have you tested the motor and a feigao 12s in the same vehicle with all of the other variables the same? I have, and despite the lower kv rating, the 12s could pull higher gearing and run cooler. That makes it better than the traxxas motor.

Next time you read one of my posts or threads keep in mind that I am not talking out of my ass. I do consider what I say, and only write what I deem important. This forum is designed to help all of us make descisions on what we are going to run in any specific application. Other, non validated info just serves to confuse less experienced members who are looking to this forum to educate them.

I read this forum for about 6months, from the oldest thread to the current ones. I read all of the jokes, saw all of the anteater costume pics, and had a good laugh. But I also learned a bunch about brushless, and the vehicles as well.

I can safely say that your use of the traxxas motor in an emaxx was not optimum. You say it worked, I am sure the wheels turned and the truck moved. How long did it run on a specific mah battery? Temps, both of all of the equipment and the ambient temp? Gearing, top speed, ground type, etc? Don't just throw out how well it worked before you tell us it was geared for 20mph and it was 40f outside. Or something like that.

A smaller motor has to make up for lack of torque with more rpms. This is obvious to most here. Problem with the traxxas motor is that it is not effecient enough to run at high speeds without producing more heat. I can put a 7xl in an emaxx, gear it for 80 and it will do it, but will get hot and most likely shorten the life of everything involved. I am sure that a smaller, very well made motor, like a 1506 neu could be used at near its rpm limit (with proper gearing) to motivate a heavy vehicle. But it will not be as good as a larger motor with more torque. That motor will also be more forgiving of less than optimum gearing and other variables.

Also keep in mind that most of us here try things out and post our findings. I have at least 50 different motors, and 30 or so vehicles that I can try things out in. Look at my threads, I have a variety of different vehicles with a bunch of differnt approaches to getting the job done. I tried an outrunner direct to diff, as there did not be too much info about that. Sike then one upped me and made a revo work that way. Metalman tried a mt2 with an outrunner, but with mech brakes. The Sike tried an outrunner with a gearbox in a new emaxx. All of this is very infofmative and helpful. Randomly throwng out shit like my tiny motor is super powerful or other crap like that is not helpful, and irrelavent.

Im not going to try and pick a fight but its all personal preference here... I for one dont like feigao because of the fact that Ive always had issues with thier motors. If the velineon is infact made by feigao well then IMO its a great accomplishment for feigao/traxxas. And again im not trying to start anything but i'd love to see that Feigao 12s run an E-maxx on 4s without issues. I would heat up faster than you can say feigao... BTW lincpimp I really dont want to get on your bad side so dont take this personally but all this is just my personal opinion.

I see you're back to an IF again... Not sure why a maufacturer would wish to lie...

Personally I've never tried one but Linc seems to have motors, cars, escs and batteries coming out of every orifice so I do listen to what he says...

Not really a surprise to me. I am still trying to find where Castle got their motors from. I think I may have found them, but the Io on my test motors seem a bit higher than the Castle ones. I haven't taken them apart to measure the internals yet though, so it might have more wire.

It's seem that people forget that the true limit of a system is the power supply, the battery.
As long as you can supply the power to the motor you can virtually move anything ...
Obviously the motor will cock itself if you overload it.

Did you ever noticed the CC rate there motor based on rpm ( no 3S lipo with 7700kv) and not on surge current/ limit of the coil ?

Traxxas choice prove that they aren't new in the domain... the VXL is just perfect fit in 1/10 Traxxas buggy, but doesn't work as well in other situation.