Align 600XL - How is it?
 

I am looking for some opinions on the Align 600XL. I am wanting to try one in my XT8, but I haven't heard of anyone running one in a truggy yet. Here are the specs -

Input voltage:DC11.1-22.2V 3-6cell Li-Po
Max continuous current:70A/85A(60sec)
Max output power:Approx. 1600W/2000W(60sec)
KV value:1650KV
Dimension:spindle 5x65x43.3mm
Weight:Approx. 300g

I know that there is a newer version out with the same specs except it is 1700kv. I am wanting to run 4S packs and I am trying to stay away from the feigao motors with the problems they have, but I don't want to fork out the $$ for a Neu either. Oh yea, I am going to be running a MM, so 5S is out of the question.

I ran the 600L and it is awesome. It sounds like a Jet. I still have to try the 600XL. There is another member here that used one as well.

They sound like a jet plane taking off. It is just awesome. I took my 600L off and I will try to rewind it for lower turns just to see what can happen.

I heard they sound a little different because of the fan inside. Do you think it would be enough motor for a 9lb. truggy on 4S? I am only looking for about 35mph max.

I used the 600L in my BPP truck with 2 36v A123 packs. My truck was at 14lb. You should easely get your truck to go 35mph.

I forgot I had pictures of it LOL. Here are the links:

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...5&postcount=58
http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...7&postcount=59

I was using 22.2v when I took those pictures.

Definately a better motor than a feigao. I have run both the l and xl on 5s in an emaxx. Both have really good brakes, you will have to turn the brake force down. They do not spin up as fast as an inrunner, but the torque stays very high from startup to high speed. Different to drive than an inrunner, but works great. Would be good for racinf IMO cause the power delivery is smoother.

Silly question, but does it mount up where any 'normal' motor would, and whats the diameter like compared to a feigao? I dont plan on getting one, but its nice to know these things all the same...

Standard 540 mount, m3 thread, and 5mm shaft. Can is about 43mm in diameter and slightly longer than a l can feigao. Not a big difference with the l and xl in length, the xl is improved in design from what I have heard. A good motor, and it has a hybrid stle casing that is fixed, so no spinning can like a std outrunner.

That sound great. From what I have read on the heli forums the XL has quite a bit more power that the L. I think I will have to give one a try.

You will fall in love with the sound that comes out of that motor. I might make another buggy and put my 600L in it.

I wonder why there aren't more people running them? It's sounds like quality wise they fall in between Feigao's and Neu's and for only $120.

Has anyone run one of these on a mamba max?

I tried it, but my truck was off the ground. It did actually work good, but I didn't run it as the 600L feels happy with 5-6S lipos.

I have a question about an Align brushless motor and Quark ESC.
Will a Quark AirMaster 125 run a Align 600XL in a 1/8 scale truggy
with (2) of these( http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...odID=AQR400063) batteries be ok?
I hope so because I ordered the ESC and motor already

These will be going in a CEN Matrix TR with a diff gear mod to run the smaller spur. I might end up keeping the brake servo.

Does the airmaster include car software? Im sure the monster 125 could run it fine. My quark 33 runs my align 430xl fine.
You might want 3 of those packs, or 2 3s packs, it seems like most people have found these things to be happier on 6s.

According to this there is a car profile in all the air master esc's
http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...125_manual.doc

I talked to Quark and they said that the profiles were diffrent between the air master and the monster esc so I will give it a try.

The Airmaster will work like the regular 125b, but there are fewer programming options (it still has forward/brake/reverse). IIRC, they have trouble with fully peaked 6s packs, but work fine once the batteries have dropped in voltage a tiny bit.

Just a little update on the 600XL - I ran it for about 5 minutes the other day in my XT8 with Truerc 4S 6400 and a MM and it was cogging on start up. If I was real slow on the throttle it wasn't too bad and once it was going it had all kinds of power. So this morning I eliminated the bullet connectors on the motor and just wired them directly to the MM motor wires. I also changed the starting power from low to high to see what would happen. I put it down and - cog,cog - magical smoke. :grrrrrr: This is my only esc. so I guess I will be down for a little while until Castle can get it repaired. The motor seems to make a lot of power, but the MM just can't handle it. I think I am just going to buy a Feigao 9XL for now until Castle or Tekin bring out there new controllers.

That sucks, The quark controllers run the align motor fine, the 80b will most likely work well for your application. I would add some extra caps to it, but otherwise you will be fine.

I would like to test that motor. What should i take.. The XL or the L.... eruh..

I have the L and used it on the BPP truck. The motor is freakish powerful and I even ran it a few times with 36 volts.

Okay, so an L size should be more than enough. What about the temperature? have you got a movie of this motor in action? i was trying to get an audible glimps of the turbine effect it had..

The L size will be more then enough. Temp wise it runs cool. The magnet housing acts like a fan. It's funny, I think I never made a movie of it running.

I would just get the XL. From what I have read on the heli forums the XL has a lot more power than the L and it's not much more money.

I think the problem I had is because of the 600XL being an outrunner. I guess they are harder to start up than an inrunner. It must have been too much for the MM with the starting power on high. I sent an email to Castle about a month ago asking if an outrunner would be a problem and I never got a reply. I guess I figured it out myself. :oops:

Serum

Here is a video kenkamm made with the 600XL in a Revo

http://learic.com/revo/Revo_Testing_2.wmv

That is the sound, but it is amplified a bit when 22.2 volts are used. Now with 36 volts, it sounds just like an SR-71 hitting the afterburner.

I have both the airmaster 65 and 80. The software is different from the car version. It does have a reverse feature, but not proportinal brakes. It could work in a boat, but not a car. Great forward only esc, I have my 80 in a tekno revo and it works well with my aveox 2000kk and 5s lipo.

The older airmasters had all of the software, but the newer models do not have any of the car modes.

Well, Thank you!

that thing is geared pretty tall if you ask me. (geared for low speed) You know what controller is used on that one? it's ~4S i assume? for some reason it doesn't look peppy, the sound is cool though!

Okay, here is more info;

http://learic.com/revo/

My guess is that the batteries drop in voltage pretty bad.

He is using the align esc too. Batteries look to be the 8s a123 in series? It has two balancer plugs, maybe 4s2p emoli cells? Any other info? Nice, clean conversion though!

Here is what he posted about it.
http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...1&postcount=12

Damn good guess on the batteries by me!

Looks interesting, but I would go with 6s lipos. Probably do a 6s 4000 pack for the same weight as the a123 and get twice the runtime. Maybe even 6s 3000 for lighter weight. 10min is not much IMO, but as he says the batteries can be changed easily.

I got an Align 600XL to run in my 8ight T. I ran it on 5S and geared it the same way that I gear my 1515 2.5d. Keep in mind that our track is pretty tight so it's a lot of accelerating and braking, but after a 10 minute run, the motor temped at 200*F. My Neu never gets over 170*F or so after 30 minutes of running. Once again, you get what you pay for.

I have a feeling that the 1515 can put out more power/torque than the align can. Up the voltage to 6s and gear down and I am sure that the temps would improve. Or sell me the motor and I will play with it:wink:

I'm interested in these Align motors, they look nice. I raced against 2 brushless truggys using the 600XL's on Friday night.
One was an 8T, running 6s Flightpower 4900's, MGM 16018, 12t pinion and whatever the stock spur is. He had the 1700kv version. Apparently he's a very good helicopter pilot (I forgot how highly he was ranked), so he had about 10 of the flightpower 6s packs with him. Heaps of torque, but not a huge amount of top end. It's the first time he's raced an electric, so he was driving it like a nitro (bit too much throttle). That setup was getting hot, and the MGM thermaled before the end of the 30 minute race.
The other car was a Hyper ST Pro. 1650kv 600XL, 4s flightpower 4900's, 14t pinion and stock spur. He was using an Align controller without the pistix adapter (he has one on order), so he had to get used to not being able to coast :lol: He burnt out his brand new 16018 earlier in the week when testing it on 6s, so had to make do with the align and 4s. After 30 minutes racing the esc and motor were both nice and cool the motor was around 100f and the esc not much different. Ambient temp was around 60f (night time), and the ground was cold, because it had just rained a bit. Three out of the four of us had motor and esc temps around 100f or just under after 27-30 minutes racing.
Marty (the guy with the Hyper ST on 4s with Align esc) decided to do some more practice after the race on a 6s pack, not such a good idea.
**Hint** follow the motor wires :lol: Also the body doesn't have black paint on it.
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Ouch..

6S! what track are you guys running at?

it should be launched over the moon if he hits the first jump at WOT..

yea boi !!! smoke it hard .. the main reason why i smoked that esc was because it dropped off the back of a berm , and i couldnt see it , i squirted the throttle a few times to see if it would pop over the berm ,but obvious that locked rotor full load amps was what broke the camels back ... 30 min race , wack 6s in within 5 mins , and did another 5 mins running with 6s , im not that surprised i smoked my esc ,, haha .. oh well ,, was only $100 align 100amp

Ps , im really happy with the align out runner motors , nigels special wind 1700kv motor is getting retired , we done some more testing at ryper sat, and we are now running 5S 14 tooth on a 600L 1620kv ( well the losi is ... im waiting on esc's)

the align 600L are about $120 retail new ..note, they r a 6pole motor

oh and nigel is number 4 in the world for heli's

youtube "nigel brown" there is a heap of heli vids .. i must say i was impressed on what heli's can do !!!

thanks for the pic Pat ! rip align esc!

We were racing at this track http://www.rcracephotos.com/special/westcoast3.html
Directly to the left is the baby sized table top which is hard for us to not over clear. They don't want to make it any bigger, because a lot of the 1/10th buggies and 2wd trucks already struggle to clear it. When mxracer (Marty) was using 6s at the end of the night he was jumping to about in line with the end of that black railing. It's hard to tell from the picture, but it's a decent amount of air from the short run up.
It's meant to be a 1/10th track, which is why there was some arguments about rules on Friday night, and probably be some more in the next couple of weeks. Some track committee members don't care that their called 1/8th truggies, just as long as they can fit into specific sized box made for when we only raced e-maxx's. One of the committee members doesn't like that their called 1/8th's. They say they damage the track, but when driven properly the truggies are easier on the track than the maxx's were (we only have one monster truck class).

http://www.rcplanet.com/Align_600L_B...nkx860003a.htm

$90 , price of a fiegao motor , but personally way better quality ( having run feigao's for years b4 hand)

remem these r outrunner motors, so dust ,dirt etc prob will kill em a bit faster ..

these motors are made for heli's they r made for 6S , full throttle full load , for the whole run time .. 8-10 mins in heli .. and after a flight they are HOT !! so they r made tough.
they do seems to rev out really fast .. and seem to lack top end pull ..

wen testing we got our decided race setup . 5S,14T on a watt master thingo it made 1500W , 75 amps and temps wher sweet after 10 min hard driving (guessing 60-70 Celcius ) the motor was a bit hotter then the esc .