i need a new project
 

hey guys im not sure if you know anything about me.. but ive been buying/selling a bunch of rc cars that i wanted to do for a conversion but none of them really did its job for me... ive tried 2 bl emaxxes, 2 bl revos, a ofna 9.5, a crt. 5, a supermaxx, an e-muggy, bl rusty, flm pede...
the list could go on forever:whistle::party::lol:

anyways.

i will be moving to north carolina with my girlfreind and i need something to do other than her (not meant to be dirty lol:wink:) i wont really have too many freinds so i need something to kill time!! i think there is a track so i will be able to go race and maybe make some freinds there... i am giving this project time about 6 months (thats the time when i will be moving) ive sold ALLLLL of my rc stuff (well... about 3k worth) and paid off my real truck so out of every paycheck i will be using some money towards rc. so i have a few questions of which truck to try out...

sorry about telling you my life story just thought maybe you all would like to know lol

ive been doing my best to research some stuff and find out valuable info but there seems to be so many pros and cons for each truck it is really hard to find which one is the PERFECT truck.

everyone has their own likes and dislikes... so here is mine for this project.

-when i buy my roller... i want it to be quality (xt8, mbx5t, 8ight and so on) i am looking for a truck with a very nicely beefed up drivetrain so i dont have to worry about upgrading that.
-i would like for their to be a motor mount in the rcm shop!
-i would really like the "truggy" look
-since i will be spending so much money i want the truck to run nice and smoothe without having to buy a bunch of upgrades for it...
-truck HAS to be bashable. i will be racing this but bashing for the most part.
- i would like for a semi easy project.. i do not want to spend countless hours trying to get everything on and working... i will spend time tweaking it all but ive spent too much time fixing and not enough playing!


most of these are redundant but i just want something that is going to consistantly work.

im not going to buy anything used unless it was very lightly used and ik that it is in great condition.

i have many other things to deal with other than JUST RC (like back in my prime- 2 months ago) so it will be a slow project as stated. hopefully not as slow and gorillamaxxs:party: (i hear yours is almost completed?!!)

i want this project to be a guarantee for me to keep so i dont waste time and money into something i wont use...

here is my thoughts for a project truck
xt8
mbx5-t
8ight (heard these are primarily for racing?)
hellfire?
crt


those are the only truggies i could really think of... hmm..

anyways i was going to probably go neu... what else is there?
and either MMM, quark or mgm... dont really know much about any... ive heard quarks overheat? mgm has breaking problems? idk.

i will be using spektrum in this also.

anyways for you guys who just scroll to the bottom:lol: let me know of a awsome bashable easy conversion truggy!!

thanks alot. and sorry for the huge write up

Personally, if I had no limits, this is what I would do.

X-Ray XT8 Truggy
RCM Motor Mount
MGM 22418
Neu 1515 (choose one that gives about 35K on 4S)
4S 4500mah 30C FlightPowers (and then 6S version of the battery for all out, stupid speed runs and bashing fun). The reason for this would be that 6S is way too much to drive on a track...but would be fun to have a boatload of power for bashing...

A selection of RCM hardened steel pinions to adjust between running the two voltage counts.


Lastly, I would highly suggest using the mechanical brakes, since it would allow brake bias adjustment and would take TONS of stress off your ESC...

I would go with either the XT8 or 5T. No doubt. Or, if you want to spend more, and can get in touch with Bomb-Proof Products, I'd get a BPP LSP. There are so many difference mods you can do to the LSP that will make it an even better truggy its not funny. I.E. buggy axles, buggy upper arm conversion, etc. The BPP is amazing.

i thought the bpp truck was out of serice or w/e? isnt it called the razorback or something?

and bp-revo what do you estimate the cost to be?
thanks alot for your inputs!

The Razorback is a UE truck and is nitro. The BPP truck was never put into production, but its possible to get one. I have one in CF.

MBX5T with a Mr. Constructor conversion chassis, neu 1515, 6s flightpower and a MGM.

are you serisou? its gas.

wow. never knew that

and where can i fidn this bomb proof truck?

i want to try and stay away from 6s... even 5s if that is possible. just creates more money that may not be needed to be spent.

Umm...for just the electronics and motor mount, assuming you use the two servo's I'd recommend (5955TG for steering and 5925 for brake, since its REALLY fast).

It would cost:

280 for the motor
375 for the ESC
115 for the steering servo
92 for the brake servo
245 for the 4S Lipo
360 for the 6S Lipo
Probably a good 500+ for the kit...probably more like 600+ cause its an X-Ray...
55 for the motor mount

So, assuming you get two pairs of each battery, it would be: ~$2800

o i wouldnt get the 6s lipo... well not yet at least.

damn thats a nice price tag.

it will be gradual so i wont notice it! i hope!! man.. thats not even including tires, upgraded parts if needed, spektrum!!
sheesh!

this better be one hell of a truck!

man thats one problem with selling stuff! i sold 2 5995 servos!! NOOO!!

Ok, well, if you didn't get the 6S Lipo, you can take off a good 720 bucks from the ~2800 price tag. So it would be more like ~$2000...

o man!! i didnt even notice you said 2 pairs of each!! i was wondering how the hell it was 2800!! got me scared! lol

i added it all up and it would be around 1800 for the way id do it.
280 motor
375 controller
55 motor mount
600 for the truck
245 for evo 25 4s
200 for 2 servos

if i had alot of money extra at the end i will ge a 2nd pair for 4s lipos.

with the 4s lipos which motor would work good?

The 1.5D would work perfectly on 4S if you never planned to use a higher voltage.

If you want to have the option to do 5S or 6S in the future, the 1Y would work.

If you planned to do 6S all the time, then I'd do the 2.5D...

well 6s is a definet no.

possibly 5s.

how would the 1y perform on a 4s pack?

mph wise?

i dont need 40mph... im looking for like 30-35

but when i want speed i want to be able to gear it up to around 40-45 if possible!

for speed runs only

The 1Y would definitely be able to push out 35mph without a sweat, especially with the right batteries. I would really go for the FlightPower Evo30's. In comparison to a 25C pack of similar mah, they are like, 5-10 bucks more per pack. With the Evo30's you would never have to worry about overdrawing the pack...

i tried to find some but couldnt... got any links?

wtf i looked there...

thanks though!

1515 2.5D (1700kv) is a good motor for 5s, can be geared up for high speeds and is petty good on 6s. I like 5s on the 2.5D for the track, low temps, low power draw, and you can play with gearing a fair bit. Haven't had any problems with my quark since using this motor (no mods on the quark).
I don't think you'll need a $375 MGM. The $275 16018 should be enough for the track and normal bashing and can still do 6s.
I don't know if you'd need mech brakes, unless you want them. I use motor brakes in mine. So one less servo to buy. I thought most of Mike's motor mounts don't work with mech brakes any way, but I haven't looked into that.

The XT8 mount is the first one that allows you to use mechanical brakes. I think the others will eventually be changed over as well.

well i have some 645mg servos that i could use for brakes and that will allow me to save some money!

also, i too was wondering why i needed that 375 dollar esc but i figured it was needed with such a big truck...

i have a question.

if i get the 1y and use 4s on it how will that compare to the 2.5d on 5s?

i will never go 6s but possibly 5s.

what would you think the runtimes would be with the 30c 4500 batteries?

hey bro what part of N.C. you planning to move to?lmk
phil

You can see what the basic truck looks like on BPP's website. Its http://www.bomb-proofproducts.com/home

jacksonville, NC

marine city!!
(her dads some seargent guy so thats why she moved)

where you from?

and thanks alot squee! ill takea look!

No limits.... This is the sexiest truck ever IMO. I would just have Mike build me one and ship it one part at a time untill I had it all bought. :love:

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...02&postcount=1

the truck that inspired me ^^

thats the exact setup im going for =)

Oh, sounds good.

Last week when I raced my truggy (5 or 6 5 minute races in the middle of warm day) my unmoded quark was working well with just the rcm heatsink and no fans, running the 1515 2.5D (1700kv) on 5s, so I would have thought that the 16018 would work well too since people say the MGM's run cooler, but tallyram's truggy that was linked to uses 22418 ($375 one), so maybe there's something I don't know.

I don't have both to compare, but on those voltages the 2.5d should only be ~1000rpm slower, so top speed with the same gearing should very close, but with the higher voltage the 2.5D should have a bit more torque and lower amp draw. Meaning a little bit less volt drop in theory, which could make up the rpm difference and there should be a bit more room to gear up. Basically I think they should be pretty close, but the 2.5 should run a little bit cooler, with a bit more torque and runtime.

When possible using higher voltage is better, as it reduces current draw and generally makes stuff run cooler and more efficiently, taking stress off components.

alright so the 5s packs will be worht the extra 50 bucks?

at this point 50 dollars is not too much

what kind of runtimes can i hope for?

hey I live in Hickory.. we (the family)go to wilmington some maybe I'll yell at you next summer .

phil

I don't mean to hijack this thread or anything, but why would a person go with the XT8? I agree it's a nice looking truck and I've heard the kit goes together extremely well, but how about it's racing and handling characteristics? I keep hearing the Losi 8ight-T is the best handling truggy out there. Anyone care to chime in on that? Thanks.

ive heard the 8t is sort of brittle. i believe Aangel said something about it
maybe he can come in and give his words of wisdom!

That would be very helpful for me because I will be starting a new project this winter too. My brushless CRT will be up for sale soon in it's entirety so I can do another conversion. So far I've been thinking the 8ight-T is the best candidate. I've seen them racing at our local track and they have such a tight turning radius and are just plain fast. I really like the larger shocks and larger diameter wheels. But maybe I can just put some Losi wheels on the XT8?

Anyone else have any input?

the 8ight is also 170 more than the xt8... making it even more money for the conversion..

i would think for the money the xt8 will be a bombass truck. i dont see anything wrong with it at all and that extra 170 can be saved for another set of batteries.

im probably going to go with the xt8 but if someoene can prove to me a reason why not to then idk.

I had been looking at the XT8, then after doing my research, I ended up settling for a CEN Matrix Arena TR FTE. They looked like a really nice solid truggy, built a little better (IMHO) for bashing. Then I basically tripped over a sweet deal on a Hellfire roller, for less than half what I would have spent on the CEN roller. So I bought it, and am currently kicking myself for it, as I really liked the looks of the CEN. Still, the truggy class seem to be easy conversions (compared to a Revo).

i also considered the mbx5t and the 8t. i based my decision on a years worth of research. i have heard how tough people say the mbx5t is, but one of my friends HAD one and was always working on it. he was so pissed at it that he got out of truggy all together. then there is the 8t. i knew that monster mike owned one and really liked it, but i also read that it didn't work well with everyones driving style and that people were buying them and selling them after they figured out that they couldn't drive them. i finally decided on the xt8 because i owned an xb8tq buggy and it was indestructible and people were raving about the xt8's handling. so i took a chance anyway as the xt8 hadn't been out long. i love this truggy!

I still think the CRT is where its at, I will post some pics of mine for you to consider. The new jammin bigbore shocks are awesome. If I didnt already have the Jammin I would probably get a XT8.

For me, the initial cost of the roller isn't as big of a deal because I can probably get a very slightly used 8-T for less than the XT8. It's pretty rare that a used XT8 is on ebay vs. a used 8-T. Either way, I just want to make sure I'm getting the right truggy for me. I'm only interested in racing - not bashing. I currently have a X1-CRT pro and it's great . . . however, I would really like to go to higher voltage, I have a new battery design I would like to implement, want better turning radius, and I like the idea of a new project. :yes:

Anyway, that was leading me to the 8-T but I'm not totally sold yet. I also liked the MBX5T but it's not really supported at my LHS for parts. The XT8 seems nice, but doesn't have threaded shocks or the lower profile tires (fixable). I also don't know if the shocks are the oversized style like the 8-T and the new CRT shocks.

the shocks aren't like losi shocks in size and from my experience i have had more problems setting up ride hight with threaded shocks than with non threaded. with non threaded the spacers are labled in mm, so you always know how much preload is there. also, look at most high end buggys, they use spacers also. just a thought.

well i have some shocks and tires that will be put on the truck immediatly so its not a big deal to me... but i think im just going to go for the xt8 and let everytone know how it is. when i bash i bash hard and i want something that is going to be up to the challenge.

have fun bashing it, it would kill me to see that!:cry: