Whats with the Dual Brushless Motor Stuff?
 

Not to start a rant or anything, but I could not imagine running dual Neu's, I have more power than I need. Why would someone use two motors its heavier, less efficient etc... and one Neu has way plenty of power...other than the cool factor I don't see any gains at all...I see the traxxas fourm going crazy for dual brushless motors stuff...weird

Yeah, I've seen that too and wonder the same thing. Maybe it's because they HAVE to use Traxxas stuff with their Traxxas vehicles and really want to use the Velineon (sp?) system. Running dual Neus is just plain silly unless you like 5-8 minute runtimes. It's gotta be the coolness factor...

because you can get two velineon SYSTEMS for the price of a neu motor, thats why, no soldering, plug and play, looks cool need more reasons?

Ok, and if one system goes down, then how much will you spend then?:lol:

Your right its easier plug and play off the shelf at local hobby shop, I forget also there is younger group over there that may not have the skills for building a system...The Neu is quality though and will last forever and stay cooler...

that's what i'm curious about, but nobody has had a problem running duals yet

Or at least none that thye would tell you about. Just like when the HV came out. Everyone said it's the best. But no one mentioned the heat problems they had and how low geared they had to run them. Not to mention the rotor probs at first.

good point, we all know the dual setup is inferior, i guess that;s what the traxxas forums are for:lol:

Not that their inferior, just lower quality IMO. Most will learn that you get what you pay for in BL, the higher it is, more than likely the quality may be better is all.

I'm waiting to try Dual 9XL's MM on Dual 4s on my e-revo..

I now have the pinions (Dual 22 on 65T Steel RR, ESC's and 9XLs) - It is just that I superglued the screws on my single motor mount into the transmission case as they kept getting loose! DOH!

Now I have to buy new gearbox halves and dremmel them out or get a single speed conversion... THUD!

It is really just to see if I can get a double standing backflip :) It has so much torque anyway....

i think a big part of it like paralyzed said.

also if one person does it everyone else has to try it.

the bandwaggon effect is coming to play with RC vehicles.

dafni did an xt8 conversion then tallyram then me clod sower and more im sure all did it at the exact same time basically.

look at the crt .5s. one person did it and BAM we have over 15-20 diff conversions im sure.

people follow trends and dual BL motors i guess is coming up to be a new popular trend.

I would think that unless the ESC's are linked, they wouldn't run totally in sync and you'll get more power, but not double like you'd expect. Besides, most dual BL setups I've seen are a wiring nightmare aesthetic-wise.

Sure, dual motors looks cool, but I'll take one good system over two "adequate" systems anyday. It's just doubling the chances of something going wrong (like running RAID 0).

The bandwagon effect is helped by support too. For example mikes chassis (who wouldn't want to do a conversion with that).

What about 2 good systems over one good system?

http://www.juggernaut23.com/Jugg%20D...nny%200000.JPG

http://www.clodtalk.com/viewtopic.ph...st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Concidering a single BigMaxximum can make a large truck do multiple backflips anywhere in the throttle range almost, I kinda wince at the thought of what 2 could do.

Anyway, I like the idea of using two small but good motors, such as the lehner basics (cool running and ample torque), but using a couple 'feigaos' on 3s sounds abit half-assed really. I'd like to see traxxas come out with something to rival the MMM, then all those kids on the traxxas forums would ditch their V-twins in a heartbeat, such is human nature. Im still holding out for the new Novak system- 6 months isnt that long.... is it?

They are gonna ditch the v-twin as soon as the MMM is released anyway. Like everyone already stated.... 2 is NOT better than one in this case. The MMM is going to send this thing we all do and everyone thinks we are crazy into being very close to mainstreem. When they can walk into the LHS and buy a system off the shelf for $300 and it will blow away any nitro setup out there, it wont take long for the revolution to start IMO

[QUOTE=suicideneil;143200]What about 2 good systems over one good system?

http://www.juggernaut23.com/Jugg%20D...nny%200000.JPG

http://www.clodtalk.com/viewtopic.ph...st=0&sk=t&sd=a


damn. those are some AWSOME looking motors.

That is cool! lol...but wouldn't it just be 1/4 throttle or back flip? Could you really use the power?

I agree, once the experimental factor is taken away and the findings can be packaged and spoon feed to the masses, the BL/Lipo revolution will catch on like a wild fire!:diablo:

suicideneil- wanna sell a bigmaxx? my schulze needs one!

Have you built one?

I remember my triple brushless SS5800 E-maxx when they first came out.... it was so lame... I remember Chris fine also recommending dual 1940's and dual schulze 18.61K... I fried atleast 5 or 6 of those escs... I like duals, maybe just for speed records....

You may be onto something? How about a triple motor emaxx using the mamba 25 8000kv motors. It would be around 350 for 3 of the comp x setups, and run them on 3s lipo. Talk about fast. Does anyone make a 32p pinion with a 2mm bore? I may have to get some bore reducers made up!

This is one of the stupidest things I have ever suggested.

Taking it to a whole new level linc is what you are good for. What you said does illustrate a point very well though.

Yep, most ideas can be made to work, but may not be optimum in design or execution.

I am sure that the twin velineon setup works well and most people will be blown away by its performance. I still feel that a twin feigao 12s/mm system would be the way to go, as the mm provides better tuning and design, and the feigao 12s motors are slighly larger. Of course a mm/8xl would be better and require cheaper batteries, 2-2s packs instead of 2-3s packs.

Eh...dual is only really if you are doing some tractor pulls or just REALLY want to excessively have that top speed for that speed pass (that is, dual Neu 1527's on something like 12S with a CC HV110). You'll need mechanical brakes that will slow the ~10-12lb beast from 125mph down to 0...but you'll have one hell of a truck that'd beat many 1:1 cars in a true 1/4 mile lol...

I have a set of twins under the body of my maxx and they are a blast. I get plenty of runtime bashing at my local park. I got these to tide me over untill the MMM comes out and band waggon or not its just a hobby and works great keeping me occupied untill CC makes their release. When they finaly do I will buy a pede and bandit and give them some "hand me down balls" its all for fun.

That's what I keep saying! :lol:

It is all driven by application...
Check airplanes, multiple motors are normal practice.
Check this one is good example...
But trust me it is not simple to set it up.

While with sensored motors and controllers you do not need to think how to set it up just bolt on.

And there are benefits of using multiple motors, and mostly related to high power motors. While in under ~2000kW there is no reason (In my opinion, would be happy to discuss otherwise) to use 2 small motors instead of proper-sized one.
With some exceptions:
-space limitations
-price

how many micro-t motors do you think it would take to do ground flips?:lol:

Lol, not mine unfortunately. That setup belongs to someone on the Clodtalk forum called 'Chase', but he does crop up over here every now and then. Seriously though, you would need a serious huge rig to run that kinda power in, otherwise it would indeed be 99% inverted operation, if you get my meaning....

really? I'm going to have to infiltrate this clodtalk forum. Surely "chase" would like to trade an e-maxx for a plette. now to convince him of such.....

Good luck. Chase has been working on that truck for years and its not done yet. He also has a 1/5th scale car that will run the Bolido in the works.

ah yes, long projects. I bought the schulze back when they were cool, and still haven't built a truck with it. I need atleast a 4 poler because the schulze comes preset with hot timing and I don't do programming, oh but when i'm done it will be cool

Hmmm...

Not too sure, but that would require a serious bore adapter, especially to run a 5mm bore pinion. If I were to guess, probably 17, on 6s lipo.

well here I found a twin maxximum truck

http://www.unlimitedengineering.com/...ad.php?t=17973

granted it weighs about as much as a geo metro and has the same horse power :lol:

For really big top end, twin is hard to beat since you can gear the mess out of the system and let the motors share the load. Gearing one engine to run 60mph pulling 10-12lbs is going to be tougher then gearing two motors to run 60mph carrying half that weight.

Thats Jay's transmission and motors (chase23) its in a Tamiya juggernaut if you can believe it. As far as I know he has never run it! I think 1 of the motors is in an emaxx now anyway, that photo is about 4 years old!

What he said ^^^^^

Chase is slowly getting around to finishing the Juggernaught thing he's been working on for god knows how long, just needs to get another custom cvd made and a few other bits and pieces (thread located on clodtalk.com).