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From what I hear from the traxxas forums, it sounds as if most of those people haven't even tried a mamba max, let alone any brushless system. The 4600 is no doubt faster than the 12 turn titan motors, even on 2s lipo. In fact the 4600 on 3s lipo will blow away the 5700 on 2s lipo. All most anything, really, on 3s lipo is faster than most 2s setups. In fact, I'd expect the 4600 on 3s to be on par with the 7700 on 2s lipo if not faster. I have a feigao 380c 9t, which is similar to the 4600 and the front end of the vehicle (modified xxx4) can start to lift off the ground if you don't watch it, especially on the road surface in front of my house. Actually my 380 12s (3300 kv) on 3s is just slow enough for running right in front of my house (300 foot straights). Unless you run on a track, its not the control you have to worry about (well depending on the vehicle. 4wd is easier to drive). It's really the buckles in the road that can send your vehicle flying if you don't watch it.