gixxer, it's kind of funny to hear your opinions on the 8 vs the 8T. I felt the exact same way. We had the buggy first and really didn't like it. I prefered my Turmoil to the 8 buggy. That almost steered me away from the 8T. What's funny is that I really love my 8T. It handle nothing like the buggy does. I couldn't drive the buggy to save my life, but the truck makes me look good.