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Mike sells them in the RCM store, or just about any good online RC boat retailer has them, even ebay has them for low prices. The difference is in the torque- the XL motor is longer than the L, so also runs slightly cooler generally. The 8L and 3s lipo would be a great setup with 3s lipo or equivalent Nimh voltage. Otherwise the 8XL on 4s lipo is even more powerful, but also more expensive.